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		By: Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Those crazy kids and their youtube		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Those crazy kids and their youtube]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] together a video, post it and find audience. That&#8217;s old news for many. The shift is that the amateur is valued and perhaps equal.  Consumers creating commercials “is part of this brave new world we [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] together a video, post it and find audience. That&#8217;s old news for many. The shift is that the amateur is valued and perhaps equal.  Consumers creating commercials “is part of this brave new world we [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech &#187; 2007 &#187; December &#187; 19		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech &#187; 2007 &#187; December &#187; 19]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] together a video, post it and find audience. That&#8217;s old news for many. The shift is that the amateur is valued and perhaps equal.  Consumers creating commercials “is part of this brave new world we [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] together a video, post it and find audience. That&#8217;s old news for many. The shift is that the amateur is valued and perhaps equal.  Consumers creating commercials “is part of this brave new world we [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Asilomar #7: Excel		</title>
		<link>/2007/amateurs-and-experts/#comment-38777</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Asilomar #7: Excel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] guy has pitched a tent in the SCUD missile-marked territory between me and Christian Long. I suspect Christian would&#039;ve enjoyed this guy&#039;s unabashed [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] guy has pitched a tent in the SCUD missile-marked territory between me and Christian Long. I suspect Christian would&#8217;ve enjoyed this guy&#8217;s unabashed [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Kern Kelley		</title>
		<link>/2007/amateurs-and-experts/#comment-36283</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kern Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is why I read blogs - brilliant discussion on both your parts, Dan and Christian. Thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I read blogs &#8211; brilliant discussion on both your parts, Dan and Christian. Thank you.</p>
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		By: Ben Chun		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Chun]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s an interesting link on the topic of amateur versus expert:
http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2006/03/how_to_be_an_ex.html

&quot;Most of us want to practice the things we&#039;re already good at, and avoid the things we suck at. We stay average or intermediate amateurs forever.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting link on the topic of amateur versus expert:<br />
<a href="http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2006/03/how_to_be_an_ex.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2006/03/how_to_be_an_ex.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Most of us want to practice the things we&#8217;re already good at, and avoid the things we suck at. We stay average or intermediate amateurs forever.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey, I&#039;d just like to say that I know Dan personally and everyone should know that on top of all these ideas he has, he&#039;s a good look&#039;n dude!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I&#8217;d just like to say that I know Dan personally and everyone should know that on top of all these ideas he has, he&#8217;s a good look&#8217;n dude!</p>
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		By: Christian Long		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christian Long]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You are dead-right to question anything that uses &quot;the future of [anything]&quot; phrase as a marketing element with only a thread-bare set of evidence (or articulation).  Especially if money signs are ever in the hazy backgroud.  Never back off from that, Dan, especially if you have some skin on the proverbial table as you do via video editing, presentation savvy, etc.

As for canapes or crepes or fig newtons delivered on any sort of quaint or elegant serving platter, everyone loves a snack.  Especially to wash criticism down.

As I said ealier -- perhaps one of the parts that didn&#039;t gracefully fit with your serve-n-volley instincts -- the 2nd post you wrote clearly demonstrates your potential as a voice and leader, Dan.  The first, however, shows a potentially snarky instinct that rarely elevates the conversation or inspires real change.  You are -- of course -- free to opt for either or both.  Consider it an observation that can be ignored or considered.  Your call.  I believe you know (and knew) that at first read, although it may not have been as compelling to respond to when you took the gun out of the holster.  

BTW, will there be chocolate milk with the canapes?  Or at least the well-justified questioning?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are dead-right to question anything that uses &#8220;the future of [anything]&#8221; phrase as a marketing element with only a thread-bare set of evidence (or articulation).  Especially if money signs are ever in the hazy backgroud.  Never back off from that, Dan, especially if you have some skin on the proverbial table as you do via video editing, presentation savvy, etc.</p>
<p>As for canapes or crepes or fig newtons delivered on any sort of quaint or elegant serving platter, everyone loves a snack.  Especially to wash criticism down.</p>
<p>As I said ealier &#8212; perhaps one of the parts that didn&#8217;t gracefully fit with your serve-n-volley instincts &#8212; the 2nd post you wrote clearly demonstrates your potential as a voice and leader, Dan.  The first, however, shows a potentially snarky instinct that rarely elevates the conversation or inspires real change.  You are &#8212; of course &#8212; free to opt for either or both.  Consider it an observation that can be ignored or considered.  Your call.  I believe you know (and knew) that at first read, although it may not have been as compelling to respond to when you took the gun out of the holster.  </p>
<p>BTW, will there be chocolate milk with the canapes?  Or at least the well-justified questioning?</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Nancy&lt;/strong&gt; and &lt;strong&gt;Dean&lt;/strong&gt; weave a similar thread here.

The intimidation they describe is real and legitimate among new learners and novice practitioners.  We shouldn&#039;t satisfy ourselves with that intellectual cowering, though, however legitimate and earned it might be.

It&#039;s true that if a master craftsman can&#039;t make his knowledge accessible to a novice he isn&#039;t worth much as a teacher. However, we shouldn&#039;t deny him the opportunity (however subconsciously) simply because he doesn&#039;t look or dress like we do.

Furthermore, I thought a little about &lt;strong&gt;Jason&#039;s&lt;/strong&gt; comment today and wanted to clarify that my reaction to Vid Snacks would have been nowhere near this concerned/strident if these were just weekend hobbyists we were talking about.

But these are &lt;em&gt;teachers&lt;/em&gt; and their lack of ambition has tangible consequences for the students they serve.  Moreover, these are teachers who assert that their video offerings represent &lt;em&gt;the future of language&lt;/em&gt;, an assertion that I couldn&#039;t leave unquestioned, an assertion that &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt; people should&#039;ve questioned, even if &lt;strong&gt;Christian&lt;/strong&gt; thinks I should&#039;ve been friendlier about it and attached a clearly-worded note to a plate of canap&#233;s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Nancy</strong> and <strong>Dean</strong> weave a similar thread here.</p>
<p>The intimidation they describe is real and legitimate among new learners and novice practitioners.  We shouldn&#8217;t satisfy ourselves with that intellectual cowering, though, however legitimate and earned it might be.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that if a master craftsman can&#8217;t make his knowledge accessible to a novice he isn&#8217;t worth much as a teacher. However, we shouldn&#8217;t deny him the opportunity (however subconsciously) simply because he doesn&#8217;t look or dress like we do.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I thought a little about <strong>Jason&#8217;s</strong> comment today and wanted to clarify that my reaction to Vid Snacks would have been nowhere near this concerned/strident if these were just weekend hobbyists we were talking about.</p>
<p>But these are <em>teachers</em> and their lack of ambition has tangible consequences for the students they serve.  Moreover, these are teachers who assert that their video offerings represent <em>the future of language</em>, an assertion that I couldn&#8217;t leave unquestioned, an assertion that <em>more</em> people should&#8217;ve questioned, even if <strong>Christian</strong> thinks I should&#8217;ve been friendlier about it and attached a clearly-worded note to a plate of canap&eacute;s.</p>
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		By: Nancy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m going to jump in and then immediately jump out---you guys can be verbally intimidating!!  Hang with me a minute and hopefully you&#039;ll get my point.   Why do gifted kids make notoriously poor academic role models in the regular classroom?  It&#039;s because their abilities are out of reach for most students.  Just one more minute....I&#039;m almost finished here...if we went to an inservice given by our principal we would nod and agree and understand...but if Albert Einstein or Stephen Hawking were leading the inservice we may get nothing out of it. There is something to be said for getting instruction and advice from someone who is not too far away from your skill level.  Did that make any sense? Mr. Holt at VidSnacks is just like me but he knows more than I do about video.  I may learn more from him than I would Stephen Speilberg. Ok, done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to jump in and then immediately jump out&#8212;you guys can be verbally intimidating!!  Hang with me a minute and hopefully you&#8217;ll get my point.   Why do gifted kids make notoriously poor academic role models in the regular classroom?  It&#8217;s because their abilities are out of reach for most students.  Just one more minute&#8230;.I&#8217;m almost finished here&#8230;if we went to an inservice given by our principal we would nod and agree and understand&#8230;but if Albert Einstein or Stephen Hawking were leading the inservice we may get nothing out of it. There is something to be said for getting instruction and advice from someone who is not too far away from your skill level.  Did that make any sense? Mr. Holt at VidSnacks is just like me but he knows more than I do about video.  I may learn more from him than I would Stephen Speilberg. Ok, done.</p>
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		By: Christian Long		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christian Long]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[Applause meter begins to rock and roll a bit here; consider yourself a bit forewarned.]

You wrote:

&quot;...it’s so necessary to strain upwards and outwards, to bring good from the outside in, if only to keep the community of amateurs from collapsing in on its own lack of ambition.&quot;

And I applaud.

I&#039;ll echo/add the following:

Learning by its very nature demands that &quot;strain&quot; you mention.  And the larger gestalt of outside ideas, examples, expertise, vision, questions, and resources is what lifts us (all) &quot;upwards and outwards&quot;.  

Smiling at the idea of Design Contest #2.  Whatever you need, ask away.  

As for the final question, just keep on keepin&#039; on.  Call it &quot;neutering&quot; if you elect.  Or consider it simply an &quot;expansion&quot; of more profound &quot;leadership&quot; instincts based less on the craving of a short-term fight and more on the humble confidence of long-range wisdom.  As for critiquing corporate targets, I can only smile.  There are no imposed limits. Just an opportunity to rise above the fray when you see reasonable daylight.  Think of it as a John Galt moment.

Your appreciative student and Design Contest colleague,
Christian]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Applause meter begins to rock and roll a bit here; consider yourself a bit forewarned.]</p>
<p>You wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;it’s so necessary to strain upwards and outwards, to bring good from the outside in, if only to keep the community of amateurs from collapsing in on its own lack of ambition.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I applaud.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll echo/add the following:</p>
<p>Learning by its very nature demands that &#8220;strain&#8221; you mention.  And the larger gestalt of outside ideas, examples, expertise, vision, questions, and resources is what lifts us (all) &#8220;upwards and outwards&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Smiling at the idea of Design Contest #2.  Whatever you need, ask away.  </p>
<p>As for the final question, just keep on keepin&#8217; on.  Call it &#8220;neutering&#8221; if you elect.  Or consider it simply an &#8220;expansion&#8221; of more profound &#8220;leadership&#8221; instincts based less on the craving of a short-term fight and more on the humble confidence of long-range wisdom.  As for critiquing corporate targets, I can only smile.  There are no imposed limits. Just an opportunity to rise above the fray when you see reasonable daylight.  Think of it as a John Galt moment.</p>
<p>Your appreciative student and Design Contest colleague,<br />
Christian</p>
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