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		By: MrTeach		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m late in finding your site and am reading through the archives.  Great stuff and your last comment here really hits home.  A teacher that tries new things or a different approach is often looked down upon.  I&#039;m always amazed at the elitism shown by the teachers who have been doing it for 20 years.  

I wish I had a picture of their room from when they started, just so they could compare it to today&#039;s classroom.  Do you think that might help some of them understand that changing up some of those lessons might be a good idea?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late in finding your site and am reading through the archives.  Great stuff and your last comment here really hits home.  A teacher that tries new things or a different approach is often looked down upon.  I&#8217;m always amazed at the elitism shown by the teachers who have been doing it for 20 years.  </p>
<p>I wish I had a picture of their room from when they started, just so they could compare it to today&#8217;s classroom.  Do you think that might help some of them understand that changing up some of those lessons might be a good idea?</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think that no matter where I work, I&#039;d be foolish to abdicate too much of my motivation to extrinsically motivating forces.  I realize happiness has largely gotta come from within, whether you&#039;re a day-trader, a doctor, or a math teacher.

I don&#039;t know how much happiness I expected the public school system to provide me but I know I never anticipated I&#039;d find success and frustration tied so tightly together.  The better I get at this job the more I feel displaced.

I don&#039;t know what that means but I&#039;m trying as much as possible not to think about it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that no matter where I work, I&#8217;d be foolish to abdicate too much of my motivation to extrinsically motivating forces.  I realize happiness has largely gotta come from within, whether you&#8217;re a day-trader, a doctor, or a math teacher.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how much happiness I expected the public school system to provide me but I know I never anticipated I&#8217;d find success and frustration tied so tightly together.  The better I get at this job the more I feel displaced.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what that means but I&#8217;m trying as much as possible not to think about it.</p>
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		By: Lori Jablonski		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh Dan,

Perhaps I didn&#039;t make myself clear over at NYC&#039;s place.  I certainly don&#039;t think you &quot;oughtta&quot; move on (and never would I call you a malcontent).  But, we work in the public realm (I just read Chris L&#039;s excellent characterization of our world as an externality in a capitalist system..it is indeed); the incentives and structures that define the system are entirely different than the world of work and investment for private profit.  Those considering a long and successful life in public education should at least think about what that means in terms of career expectations and trajectory and what they personally need when it comes to motivation and fulfillment (Chris L again says this much better: &quot;I also don’t feel the need to place or define my job in the market forces of today...&quot;). I certainly did--long and hard--before I decided to leave the private sector and begin life as a public school teacher.   And I didn&#039;t have to embrace a self-image of glorious martyrdom to find happiness and success in the classroom.       I do have a handful of wonderful colleagues who I co-plan with, observe other teachers as often as possible and invite my teacher pals to sit in my class whenever they want.  We are constantly experimenting, revising, throwing out and bringing new stuff in.   We&#039;ve never had an efficient formal structure teaching us how to do this...we just do it and as a result I have never felt isolated or stagnant---anything but.  Maybe I&#039;m lucky, but I also think how I view my job and my colleagues goes a long way too.

None of this means I am complacent about what the system needs to better value our work and the needs or our students.  I could argue for days on these issues and often do  (I am quite visible around these parts on state and local issues---the value I place on political action and active citizenship is but one reason I would fight tooth and nail to preserve tenure).  

But given the realities of the public system we have chosen to work in  (not to mention the huge political and economic reckoning we&#039;re facing on both the state and federal levels, which will severely constrain the scope of future ed reform efforts) it is up to you and you alone to consider whether it is one that gives you whatever you need to continue.  

I for one would love to work with you or at the very least share a beer to decompress.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Dan,</p>
<p>Perhaps I didn&#8217;t make myself clear over at NYC&#8217;s place.  I certainly don&#8217;t think you &#8220;oughtta&#8221; move on (and never would I call you a malcontent).  But, we work in the public realm (I just read Chris L&#8217;s excellent characterization of our world as an externality in a capitalist system..it is indeed); the incentives and structures that define the system are entirely different than the world of work and investment for private profit.  Those considering a long and successful life in public education should at least think about what that means in terms of career expectations and trajectory and what they personally need when it comes to motivation and fulfillment (Chris L again says this much better: &#8220;I also don’t feel the need to place or define my job in the market forces of today&#8230;&#8221;). I certainly did&#8211;long and hard&#8211;before I decided to leave the private sector and begin life as a public school teacher.   And I didn&#8217;t have to embrace a self-image of glorious martyrdom to find happiness and success in the classroom.       I do have a handful of wonderful colleagues who I co-plan with, observe other teachers as often as possible and invite my teacher pals to sit in my class whenever they want.  We are constantly experimenting, revising, throwing out and bringing new stuff in.   We&#8217;ve never had an efficient formal structure teaching us how to do this&#8230;we just do it and as a result I have never felt isolated or stagnant&#8212;anything but.  Maybe I&#8217;m lucky, but I also think how I view my job and my colleagues goes a long way too.</p>
<p>None of this means I am complacent about what the system needs to better value our work and the needs or our students.  I could argue for days on these issues and often do  (I am quite visible around these parts on state and local issues&#8212;the value I place on political action and active citizenship is but one reason I would fight tooth and nail to preserve tenure).  </p>
<p>But given the realities of the public system we have chosen to work in  (not to mention the huge political and economic reckoning we&#8217;re facing on both the state and federal levels, which will severely constrain the scope of future ed reform efforts) it is up to you and you alone to consider whether it is one that gives you whatever you need to continue.  </p>
<p>I for one would love to work with you or at the very least share a beer to decompress.</p>
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		By: TMAO		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s weird, entering that &quot;world.&quot; You have to deconstruct huge fortifications of thought to get to your point. You have to make these verbal hurdles, like, not this, not this, not this, of course that, and now this is what I actually think. I wonder how dynamic, effective instruction correlates with unabashed chest-thumping about the glorious teacher-martyr. Are you doing the latter, because you can&#039;t get propr for the former? Maybe that&#039;s not fair.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s weird, entering that &#8220;world.&#8221; You have to deconstruct huge fortifications of thought to get to your point. You have to make these verbal hurdles, like, not this, not this, not this, of course that, and now this is what I actually think. I wonder how dynamic, effective instruction correlates with unabashed chest-thumping about the glorious teacher-martyr. Are you doing the latter, because you can&#8217;t get propr for the former? Maybe that&#8217;s not fair.</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey that article&#039;s a bummer.  It means a lot to see levelheaded folk like Lori J. pop in and suggest that young malcontents like me really &lt;em&gt;oughtta&lt;/em&gt; move on to different pastures.  It just scares me, though, that they think the teaching corps can sustain itself (even while the job becomes harder) on people who are strictly motivated by their love of their kids.

Maybe I&#039;ll step into that fray.  You seem to have absorbed all available abuse, though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey that article&#8217;s a bummer.  It means a lot to see levelheaded folk like Lori J. pop in and suggest that young malcontents like me really <em>oughtta</em> move on to different pastures.  It just scares me, though, that they think the teaching corps can sustain itself (even while the job becomes harder) on people who are strictly motivated by their love of their kids.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;ll step into that fray.  You seem to have absorbed all available abuse, though.</p>
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		By: TMAO		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aw, man.

http://nyceducator.com/2007/12/dont-blame-tenure.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, man.</p>
<p><a href="http://nyceducator.com/2007/12/dont-blame-tenure.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://nyceducator.com/2007/12/dont-blame-tenure.html</a></p>
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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; We shook up the world!		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; We shook up the world!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] #9: Asia Asilomar #8: The Future Asilomar #7: Excel Asilomar #6: PowerPoint Asilomar #5: Hooks Asilomar #4: Friday Keynote Asilomar #3: Green Knowledge Asilomar #2: Proportions Asilomar #1: Motivation Asilomar [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] #9: Asia Asilomar #8: The Future Asilomar #7: Excel Asilomar #6: PowerPoint Asilomar #5: Hooks Asilomar #4: Friday Keynote Asilomar #3: Green Knowledge Asilomar #2: Proportions Asilomar #1: Motivation Asilomar [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Asilomar #9: Asia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Asilomar #9: Asia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Generally awesome. Completely evenhanded, doing justice to all sorts of tricky issues facing education (NCLB, international competition, TIMSS) without once resorting to the pandering, cheap irony which plagued Friday&#039;s keynote. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Generally awesome. Completely evenhanded, doing justice to all sorts of tricky issues facing education (NCLB, international competition, TIMSS) without once resorting to the pandering, cheap irony which plagued Friday&#8217;s keynote. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Mike		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Spot On! If America wishes to have a corp of professional, highly qualified, teachers, than the system must change. I left for the corporate world 2 years ago. I hated my administration. I felt more like a student than an educator.  I spent four years in biochemistry and another two earning my certification, for what.  To be told I must speak word for word from the text given to us by the curriculum Nazis.  That and knowing no matter how good I was, how many hours I put in or how much of a difference I make, I&#039;ll pull down the same or probably much less than the  slacker across the hall, in at 8:00 out at 3:00 and using the same lessons since &#039;82.  Hi honey, let&#039;s plan our budget, this is what I&#039;ll make 10 years from now, see it&#039;s all about tenure and nothing to do with talent.  I had one teacher tell me recently that blogs and wikis were the 2 must horrible things to have ever happened to the world of education. I smiled, made sure she new she was at a technology conference and got her information to ensure my kids never go to her school.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot On! If America wishes to have a corp of professional, highly qualified, teachers, than the system must change. I left for the corporate world 2 years ago. I hated my administration. I felt more like a student than an educator.  I spent four years in biochemistry and another two earning my certification, for what.  To be told I must speak word for word from the text given to us by the curriculum Nazis.  That and knowing no matter how good I was, how many hours I put in or how much of a difference I make, I&#8217;ll pull down the same or probably much less than the  slacker across the hall, in at 8:00 out at 3:00 and using the same lessons since &#8217;82.  Hi honey, let&#8217;s plan our budget, this is what I&#8217;ll make 10 years from now, see it&#8217;s all about tenure and nothing to do with talent.  I had one teacher tell me recently that blogs and wikis were the 2 must horrible things to have ever happened to the world of education. I smiled, made sure she new she was at a technology conference and got her information to ensure my kids never go to her school.</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve never understood this concept either. We certainly don&#039;t feel that doctors should be paid less so that we can be sure they&#039;ve gone into the profession &#039;for the right reasons&#039;. 

I do have to agree with H that public perception of teachers is as much or more of an issue as salary. It&#039;s a job that is difficult to completely comprehend unless you&#039;ve actually done it.

Loving the posts about each of the sessions. Thanks for sharing!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never understood this concept either. We certainly don&#8217;t feel that doctors should be paid less so that we can be sure they&#8217;ve gone into the profession &#8216;for the right reasons&#8217;. </p>
<p>I do have to agree with H that public perception of teachers is as much or more of an issue as salary. It&#8217;s a job that is difficult to completely comprehend unless you&#8217;ve actually done it.</p>
<p>Loving the posts about each of the sessions. Thanks for sharing!</p>
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