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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Comprehensive Math Assessment Resource		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Assessment Part Deux Redux, some notes on the risk-reward cycle. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Assessment Part Deux Redux, some notes on the risk-reward cycle. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Breaking Out of Classroom Compliance &#124; shifting phases		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] from the last test.Â  Out of twelve students in the 2nd-year class, I had the world&#8217;s worst bimodal distribution: seven As and five Fs.Â  Something had to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] from the last test.Â  Out of twelve students in the 2nd-year class, I had the world&#8217;s worst bimodal distribution: seven As and five Fs.Â  Something had to [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Guiding Principles For Assessment		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] don&#039;t know how to fully control for synthesis. I don&#039;t know how to fully control for rote memorization. I don&#039;t know how to fully integrate this into the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] don&#8217;t know how to fully control for synthesis. I don&#8217;t know how to fully control for rote memorization. I don&#8217;t know how to fully integrate this into the [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Carnival of Mathematics IX &#171; JD2718		</title>
		<link>/2007/assessment-part-deux-redux/#comment-7811</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 14:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Dy/Dan continues his Discussion of assessment with part Deux. (secondary mathematics education) [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Dy/Dan continues his Discussion of assessment with part Deux. (secondary mathematics education) [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 22:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jonathan&lt;/strong&gt;:  And I think the relation to your description is this: that bottom hump often comes form kids feeling overwhelmed and just quitting. If you can find a way (and it sounds like you have) to keep them from quitting, you have a good shot at avoiding the lower hump. What I did was different, but to the same end.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My inverted bell curve hypothesis doesn&#039;t have a whole lot of scientific ground to stand on, I&#039;ll admit.  It&#039;s a pseudo-science rationale for the strategy you&#039;re referencing.  In a way I don&#039;t have the energy to prove, the way I assess is keeping more of these bottom decile kids from quitting.

I mean, I&#039;ve got a few kids rocking forty percents with a week and a half until finals who are convinced they&#039;re going to remediate and pass.  Thing is, I&#039;m pretty sure they can.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Jonathan</strong>:  And I think the relation to your description is this: that bottom hump often comes form kids feeling overwhelmed and just quitting. If you can find a way (and it sounds like you have) to keep them from quitting, you have a good shot at avoiding the lower hump. What I did was different, but to the same end.</p></blockquote>
<p>My inverted bell curve hypothesis doesn&#8217;t have a whole lot of scientific ground to stand on, I&#8217;ll admit.  It&#8217;s a pseudo-science rationale for the strategy you&#8217;re referencing.  In a way I don&#8217;t have the energy to prove, the way I assess is keeping more of these bottom decile kids from quitting.</p>
<p>I mean, I&#8217;ve got a few kids rocking forty percents with a week and a half until finals who are convinced they&#8217;re going to remediate and pass.  Thing is, I&#8217;m pretty sure they can.</p>
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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Assessment: The Soft Spots		</title>
		<link>/2007/assessment-part-deux-redux/#comment-7374</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 13:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Jonathan, Jackie, and Sara have been asking sharp questions in the comments about how I assess students. They&#039;ve found a lot of soft spots on an otherwise leathery-tough assessment strategy and I&#039;d like to address them here. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Jonathan, Jackie, and Sara have been asking sharp questions in the comments about how I assess students. They&#8217;ve found a lot of soft spots on an otherwise leathery-tough assessment strategy and I&#8217;d like to address them here. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Jonathan		</title>
		<link>/2007/assessment-part-deux-redux/#comment-7207</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 03:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I need to tag onto Jackie&#039;s second comment. What you propose is novel and interesting and clearly has value. In testing it for weaknesses I do not mean to imply otherwise.

I am also curious about why what you are doing appears effective. In wondering about several possible reasons, I don&#039;t mean to dismiss the explanation you have offered.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to tag onto Jackie&#8217;s second comment. What you propose is novel and interesting and clearly has value. In testing it for weaknesses I do not mean to imply otherwise.</p>
<p>I am also curious about why what you are doing appears effective. In wondering about several possible reasons, I don&#8217;t mean to dismiss the explanation you have offered.</p>
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		By: Jackie		</title>
		<link>/2007/assessment-part-deux-redux/#comment-7201</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jackie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 02:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just realized that my last comment did not come off as I intended.  I DID NOT mean to demean your efforts at reforming assessment (and practice).  I agree a &quot;unit 6&quot; test tells me very little about what a student actually knows.  I like the idea of assessing one concept at a time - that tells me (and them) where the gaps are.

I&#039;m just struggeling with how to get my students to start thinking for themselves and how to assess this process.  Then how to balance this with computational fluency.  

So, I want them to understand the mathematics, be able to apply it to new situations, and be able to effectively communicate this thinking to others.  Um, am I reaching too high?

Keep up the great posts - please understand that my comments are really just the questions I ask myself.  However, I&#039;m  sick of my own answers and need input from others.  Thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just realized that my last comment did not come off as I intended.  I DID NOT mean to demean your efforts at reforming assessment (and practice).  I agree a &#8220;unit 6&#8221; test tells me very little about what a student actually knows.  I like the idea of assessing one concept at a time &#8211; that tells me (and them) where the gaps are.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just struggeling with how to get my students to start thinking for themselves and how to assess this process.  Then how to balance this with computational fluency.  </p>
<p>So, I want them to understand the mathematics, be able to apply it to new situations, and be able to effectively communicate this thinking to others.  Um, am I reaching too high?</p>
<p>Keep up the great posts &#8211; please understand that my comments are really just the questions I ask myself.  However, I&#8217;m  sick of my own answers and need input from others.  Thanks.</p>
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		By: Jackie		</title>
		<link>/2007/assessment-part-deux-redux/#comment-7152</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jackie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 18:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jonathan’s last comment brings to light some of my thoughts regarding this topic.

Dan, when assessing one concept at a time, how do you assess your students’ ability to synthesize the concepts? Ability to problem solve?  Ability to communicate mathematical thinking?  In short, when do the higher order skills come into play?

Also, I’ve found that students often can do well when presented with one concept at a time.  Yet when assessed on multiple ideas/topics at once, they don’t know what to do.  I often hear — “I didn’t know what to do, because I didn’t know which type of problem it was”.  Arghhhh!  Basically it amounts to, ”tell me what to do and I’ll do it.”  I then question — have they actually learned anything, if they cannot determine a strategy with which to attack the problem?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan’s last comment brings to light some of my thoughts regarding this topic.</p>
<p>Dan, when assessing one concept at a time, how do you assess your students’ ability to synthesize the concepts? Ability to problem solve?  Ability to communicate mathematical thinking?  In short, when do the higher order skills come into play?</p>
<p>Also, I’ve found that students often can do well when presented with one concept at a time.  Yet when assessed on multiple ideas/topics at once, they don’t know what to do.  I often hear — “I didn’t know what to do, because I didn’t know which type of problem it was”.  Arghhhh!  Basically it amounts to, ”tell me what to do and I’ll do it.”  I then question — have they actually learned anything, if they cannot determine a strategy with which to attack the problem?</p>
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		By: Jonathan		</title>
		<link>/2007/assessment-part-deux-redux/#comment-7133</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 15:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oops, I forgot my follow-up. 

By testing in little pieces, one skill at a time, are they ever asked to put skills together, to use more than one at a time?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I forgot my follow-up. </p>
<p>By testing in little pieces, one skill at a time, are they ever asked to put skills together, to use more than one at a time?</p>
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