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		By: dan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 00:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s kind of inevitable, though, isn&#039;t it?  This good video you&#039;re talking about.  At this point, there isn&#039;t any bar for student cinematic activism so &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; video is gonna be novel enough to pass muster.

At a certain point, though, this&#039;ll happen more and more and, as is, everyone&#039;s tendency, someone will ask themselves, how can we improve this?  That&#039;s gonna be a fun day for hardworking teachers everywhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s kind of inevitable, though, isn&#8217;t it?  This good video you&#8217;re talking about.  At this point, there isn&#8217;t any bar for student cinematic activism so <em>any</em> video is gonna be novel enough to pass muster.</p>
<p>At a certain point, though, this&#8217;ll happen more and more and, as is, everyone&#8217;s tendency, someone will ask themselves, how can we improve this?  That&#8217;s gonna be a fun day for hardworking teachers everywhere.</p>
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		By: mrc		</title>
		<link>/2007/its-happening-in-kent/#comment-8168</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 06:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My take: It&#039;s easy for kids to get caught up in their emotional response to bad teaching, especially when delivered by adults they can&#039;t relate to at all.  It makes them do stupid things behind the teacher&#039;s back and make fun.  This is no different than what we did in high school in response to the same circumstances.  Making fun of teachers is universal and timeless, but making videos is new.  There&#039;s a much larger potential audience now, and that makes a big difference.

(I&#039;m going somewhere non-obvious with this... wait for it.)

The bigger the audience, the tighter your argument has to be. Someone out there is going to disagree with your position and try to poke holes in it.  So all the stuff about hygiene, the booty stuff, the bunny ears, all that undermines the case.  Which, judging from the &quot;organization&quot; section of the video and her interactions with students, is a pretty good case against her professional abilities.  But I suspect that they could have done much better.  I mean, I still wish I had my high school chemistry teacher on video when he said that a gram was more than an ounce.  Even kids that didn&#039;t smoke weed were busting up.  The point is, &lt;em&gt;those&lt;/em&gt; are the moments you gotta grab if you&#039;re really trying to expose a bad teacher.  Now I don&#039;t support that route, but if you (as a student) going into battle at least come well-equipped.

Otherwise, it&#039;s just cheap entertainment at the expense of your school&#039;s opportunities at self-improvement.  The reason to make a video about a teacher (other than adoration, of course) is to expose them to the world.  There ought to be a point to that action, beyond just shouting across the internets that you don&#039;t like the teacher or find her gross.  I&#039;d like to see what happens when a responsibly-made student video shows up and exposes a really bad teacher.  Then we&#039;d have two examples to hold up next to each other and discuss why one is effective and the other one just generates lawsuits over suspensions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My take: It&#8217;s easy for kids to get caught up in their emotional response to bad teaching, especially when delivered by adults they can&#8217;t relate to at all.  It makes them do stupid things behind the teacher&#8217;s back and make fun.  This is no different than what we did in high school in response to the same circumstances.  Making fun of teachers is universal and timeless, but making videos is new.  There&#8217;s a much larger potential audience now, and that makes a big difference.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m going somewhere non-obvious with this&#8230; wait for it.)</p>
<p>The bigger the audience, the tighter your argument has to be. Someone out there is going to disagree with your position and try to poke holes in it.  So all the stuff about hygiene, the booty stuff, the bunny ears, all that undermines the case.  Which, judging from the &#8220;organization&#8221; section of the video and her interactions with students, is a pretty good case against her professional abilities.  But I suspect that they could have done much better.  I mean, I still wish I had my high school chemistry teacher on video when he said that a gram was more than an ounce.  Even kids that didn&#8217;t smoke weed were busting up.  The point is, <em>those</em> are the moments you gotta grab if you&#8217;re really trying to expose a bad teacher.  Now I don&#8217;t support that route, but if you (as a student) going into battle at least come well-equipped.</p>
<p>Otherwise, it&#8217;s just cheap entertainment at the expense of your school&#8217;s opportunities at self-improvement.  The reason to make a video about a teacher (other than adoration, of course) is to expose them to the world.  There ought to be a point to that action, beyond just shouting across the internets that you don&#8217;t like the teacher or find her gross.  I&#8217;d like to see what happens when a responsibly-made student video shows up and exposes a really bad teacher.  Then we&#8217;d have two examples to hold up next to each other and discuss why one is effective and the other one just generates lawsuits over suspensions.</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
		<link>/2007/its-happening-in-kent/#comment-7956</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 06:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yo eric, man, you&#039;re my 1,000th comment.  Sure I can find some sort of prize for you in these couch cushions here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo eric, man, you&#8217;re my 1,000th comment.  Sure I can find some sort of prize for you in these couch cushions here.</p>
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		By: eric		</title>
		<link>/2007/its-happening-in-kent/#comment-7932</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[thats some nice ratemyteachers ratings - congrats man!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thats some nice ratemyteachers ratings &#8211; congrats man!</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
		<link>/2007/its-happening-in-kent/#comment-7759</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 02:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just one of many reasons to take all this student activism with a grain of salt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one of many reasons to take all this student activism with a grain of salt.</p>
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		By: Rich		</title>
		<link>/2007/its-happening-in-kent/#comment-7757</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 02:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK, I know I&#039;m heading off on a tangent, but I have to admit -- I check ratemyteachers.com about once a year and am always wondering if I&#039;ll show up (and I&#039;m not listed there at this point, possibly an asset to being at a fairly small school).  But who could argue with these words: &lt;i&gt;&quot;This man is a freaking genius. Some day I aspire to he half the mathematical mind of Mr. Meyer.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;  So you&#039;ve won over at least one fan/student, Dan!  Either that or someone wants half of your brain, which would probably really cut back on your blogging ability.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I know I&#8217;m heading off on a tangent, but I have to admit &#8212; I check ratemyteachers.com about once a year and am always wondering if I&#8217;ll show up (and I&#8217;m not listed there at this point, possibly an asset to being at a fairly small school).  But who could argue with these words: <i>&#8220;This man is a freaking genius. Some day I aspire to he half the mathematical mind of Mr. Meyer.&#8221;</i>  So you&#8217;ve won over at least one fan/student, Dan!  Either that or someone wants half of your brain, which would probably really cut back on your blogging ability.</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
		<link>/2007/its-happening-in-kent/#comment-7731</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hm.  Yeah, with a sub out of her field that makes a good deal more sense.  Pretty sure I&#039;ve never been that evenhanded with a lousy substitute.  Thanks for the addendum.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm.  Yeah, with a sub out of her field that makes a good deal more sense.  Pretty sure I&#8217;ve never been that evenhanded with a lousy substitute.  Thanks for the addendum.</p>
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		By: H.		</title>
		<link>/2007/its-happening-in-kent/#comment-7718</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[H.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, the case I was referring to was not one of &#039;trash-talking&#039; at all; and it doesn&#039;t fit your scenario. It was about a teacher subbing outside her field on very short notice, and the regular teacher explaining to the kids that that was a very nice thing to do. I should have anticipated this interpretation, though - and now I wish I could delete my comment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the case I was referring to was not one of &#8216;trash-talking&#8217; at all; and it doesn&#8217;t fit your scenario. It was about a teacher subbing outside her field on very short notice, and the regular teacher explaining to the kids that that was a very nice thing to do. I should have anticipated this interpretation, though &#8211; and now I wish I could delete my comment.</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
		<link>/2007/its-happening-in-kent/#comment-7698</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting comments, coming from all over the place.

&lt;strong&gt;H&lt;/strong&gt;, that&#039;s a good tack for a teacher to take when students start trash-talking a colleague, but not good-enough.  Discussing the failings of other teachers gets students&#039; anger off w/out any responsibility-taking or result-making.  It provides this channel into which they empty their frustration, the only obligation of which is that the frustration be &quot;constructive.&quot;

They head back to their class, back to the offending teacher, stronger than before, more united in their offense, not less, because of the constructively critical teacher&#039;s involvement.  If the offending teacher &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; struggling, banging her head against the boards trying to figure things out, that involvement is taking her miles backward.

Maybe you get them to confront the teacher or, probably better, type an anonymous letter transcribing all the constructive criticism discussed, but entertaining student negativity without redirecting it somewhere positive (simultaneously boosting your cred with your students) makes me feel slimy.

&lt;strong&gt;anon&lt;/strong&gt;, I&#039;m 100% unsure how to answer your comment.  Proceeding tentatively: I guess I agree that teachers rarely sort themselves into Exceptional and Terrible categories.  However, the real offense here isn&#039;t mediocrity, it&#039;s the lack of ambition to improve oneself.  And we&#039;re not talking Herculean improvements that cut out leisure time either.

I guess where I dispute the hair stylist, shoe salesman, dentist analogy is that the expected outcome of their jobs is so vastly different from ours.  So your beehive haircut is off center, your shoes don&#039;t fit, or you&#039;ve still got some plaque left on that molar.  When teachers are inadequate, lives get appreciably worse.

YouTube should have been a final resort here -- after confronting the teacher, talking to parents, talking to the administration, cc&#039;ing a note to the superintendent, etc. -- but I think it&#039;s high time for the work environment to become hostile to the contentedly mediocre teacher.

&lt;strong&gt;Todd&lt;/strong&gt;, your question&#039;s going to become less theoretical as more of these videos crop up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comments, coming from all over the place.</p>
<p><strong>H</strong>, that&#8217;s a good tack for a teacher to take when students start trash-talking a colleague, but not good-enough.  Discussing the failings of other teachers gets students&#8217; anger off w/out any responsibility-taking or result-making.  It provides this channel into which they empty their frustration, the only obligation of which is that the frustration be &#8220;constructive.&#8221;</p>
<p>They head back to their class, back to the offending teacher, stronger than before, more united in their offense, not less, because of the constructively critical teacher&#8217;s involvement.  If the offending teacher <em>is</em> struggling, banging her head against the boards trying to figure things out, that involvement is taking her miles backward.</p>
<p>Maybe you get them to confront the teacher or, probably better, type an anonymous letter transcribing all the constructive criticism discussed, but entertaining student negativity without redirecting it somewhere positive (simultaneously boosting your cred with your students) makes me feel slimy.</p>
<p><strong>anon</strong>, I&#8217;m 100% unsure how to answer your comment.  Proceeding tentatively: I guess I agree that teachers rarely sort themselves into Exceptional and Terrible categories.  However, the real offense here isn&#8217;t mediocrity, it&#8217;s the lack of ambition to improve oneself.  And we&#8217;re not talking Herculean improvements that cut out leisure time either.</p>
<p>I guess where I dispute the hair stylist, shoe salesman, dentist analogy is that the expected outcome of their jobs is so vastly different from ours.  So your beehive haircut is off center, your shoes don&#8217;t fit, or you&#8217;ve still got some plaque left on that molar.  When teachers are inadequate, lives get appreciably worse.</p>
<p>YouTube should have been a final resort here &#8212; after confronting the teacher, talking to parents, talking to the administration, cc&#8217;ing a note to the superintendent, etc. &#8212; but I think it&#8217;s high time for the work environment to become hostile to the contentedly mediocre teacher.</p>
<p><strong>Todd</strong>, your question&#8217;s going to become less theoretical as more of these videos crop up.</p>
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		By: Jen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a parent when trying situations arise, I found it helps to think if this were being videotaped, what would I want to look like/act like/say?  I did this even before the great and powerful youtube, since my oldest is 16.

I think it would be great (as a future teacher) to be taped ALL the time.  I&#039;d love to be able to go back to the tape (not that anyone has enough time to do this a whole lot) -- I&#039;d also love to have it to show parents as needed.  But, I can always act like I&#039;m being taped and put on the best performance I can.  I also promise to shower and not be as messy at school as I am at home.  ;-D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a parent when trying situations arise, I found it helps to think if this were being videotaped, what would I want to look like/act like/say?  I did this even before the great and powerful youtube, since my oldest is 16.</p>
<p>I think it would be great (as a future teacher) to be taped ALL the time.  I&#8217;d love to be able to go back to the tape (not that anyone has enough time to do this a whole lot) &#8212; I&#8217;d also love to have it to show parents as needed.  But, I can always act like I&#8217;m being taped and put on the best performance I can.  I also promise to shower and not be as messy at school as I am at home.  ;-D</p>
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