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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Asilomar #6: PowerPoint		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Asilomar #6: PowerPoint]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] We both recognize the power in a standardized PowerPoint template, though, for Krukis it&#039;s a matter of time saved where for me, it&#039;s a matter of decreasing cognitive load. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] We both recognize the power in a standardized PowerPoint template, though, for Krukis it&#8217;s a matter of time saved where for me, it&#8217;s a matter of decreasing cognitive load. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Stephen Fry On Lesson Design		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Stephen Fry On Lesson Design]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] I need to start tearing pages out of all your playbooks on how to make a pretty classroom. If you haven&#039;t already seen my playbook, here&#039;s how to design pretty handouts. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I need to start tearing pages out of all your playbooks on how to make a pretty classroom. If you haven&#8217;t already seen my playbook, here&#8217;s how to design pretty handouts. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, sorry I didn&#039;t get back on this.  It just seemed at the time kinda obvious.  Like, yeah, an objective response question (&quot;What&#039;s the capital of Norway?&quot;) deserves less space than an essay question.

I don&#039;t spend time pondering percentages, wondering if this response will take on average 23% more space than the previous question and then allot it 23% more white space on the page.

Maybe this is sloppy design on my part.  Maybe lack of room frustrates my students. But if questions require anywhere &lt;em&gt;close&lt;/em&gt; to the same amount of space, I tend to just grant &#039;em equal and trust my students to flip over the page as required.

If precision on this one is a priority, as it seems to be w/ &lt;strong&gt;Jonathan&lt;/strong&gt;, you two are doing right by your personal codes of design conduct.  Which, after first &lt;em&gt;having&lt;/em&gt; a personal code, is probably the most important thing.

Hope you stop by again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, sorry I didn&#8217;t get back on this.  It just seemed at the time kinda obvious.  Like, yeah, an objective response question (&#8220;What&#8217;s the capital of Norway?&#8221;) deserves less space than an essay question.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t spend time pondering percentages, wondering if this response will take on average 23% more space than the previous question and then allot it 23% more white space on the page.</p>
<p>Maybe this is sloppy design on my part.  Maybe lack of room frustrates my students. But if questions require anywhere <em>close</em> to the same amount of space, I tend to just grant &#8217;em equal and trust my students to flip over the page as required.</p>
<p>If precision on this one is a priority, as it seems to be w/ <strong>Jonathan</strong>, you two are doing right by your personal codes of design conduct.  Which, after first <em>having</em> a personal code, is probably the most important thing.</p>
<p>Hope you stop by again.</p>
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		By: Poor_Statue		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do what Jonathan does and would love to hear your thoughts.  I actually do pull up a preexisting worksheet and just change the content, but as Jonathan said the spacing depends on the response.

During summer school this year, I used a much more consistent design for a daily sheet that had a space for the problem of the day, mental math, etc.  Perhaps this is better?

I&#039;d like to hear your thoughts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do what Jonathan does and would love to hear your thoughts.  I actually do pull up a preexisting worksheet and just change the content, but as Jonathan said the spacing depends on the response.</p>
<p>During summer school this year, I used a much more consistent design for a daily sheet that had a space for the problem of the day, mental math, etc.  Perhaps this is better?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to hear your thoughts.</p>
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		By: Jonathan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 03:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re really in different directions here. I mean, I use consistent fonts and layouts, but in service of content. I provide space for response. No response, no space. Which means that there is some variety to my layouts. And I wouldn&#039;t chose oral over written instructions because of something to do with formatting.

I&#039;d love for a (completely separate) pythagorean discussion to take place. But this is not the thread. Maybe I&#039;ll start something.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re really in different directions here. I mean, I use consistent fonts and layouts, but in service of content. I provide space for response. No response, no space. Which means that there is some variety to my layouts. And I wouldn&#8217;t chose oral over written instructions because of something to do with formatting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love for a (completely separate) pythagorean discussion to take place. But this is not the thread. Maybe I&#8217;ll start something.</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, this worksheet – this worksheet, in particular, I guess – wouldn&#039;t hold up in a vacuum.  &quot;KIND OF TRIANGLE&quot; was too awkward to write and fit in the blank so I had to talk about it.

The rest, I dunno, feels like a lot of teacher preference.  The question, &quot;Can I split these up?&quot; pops into my head way more often than, &quot;Can I join these up?&quot;  I prefer simplicity and clarity for my students&#039; sake, even when it draaaawwws things out.

And, yeah, I probably should&#039;ve spaced these out to account for the length of response.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, this worksheet – this worksheet, in particular, I guess – wouldn&#8217;t hold up in a vacuum.  &#8220;KIND OF TRIANGLE&#8221; was too awkward to write and fit in the blank so I had to talk about it.</p>
<p>The rest, I dunno, feels like a lot of teacher preference.  The question, &#8220;Can I split these up?&#8221; pops into my head way more often than, &#8220;Can I join these up?&#8221;  I prefer simplicity and clarity for my students&#8217; sake, even when it draaaawwws things out.</p>
<p>And, yeah, I probably should&#8217;ve spaced these out to account for the length of response.</p>
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		By: Jonathan		</title>
		<link>/2007/make-it-better-pt-two/#comment-17184</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can we talk about the Pythagorean investigation?

I know we can talk about form - that&#039;s the nature of this post. The boxes for kids to write in, they seem tight. What do you intend them to write in the &quot;Triangle&quot; column? Would the teacher need to explain this? 

Is #2 really a question? Maybe you should tell them in #1 what they should find. And if it is a question, where should they write the answer? #3 &#038; #4 appear to be a single item divided into two. Is there a reason?

The spacing is very consistent. Should the spaces really be equal for items that need long response, short response, and no response? You&#039;ve beaten visual &quot;slosh,&quot; but have you created cognitive slosh in its place?

I have questions about the sheet&#039;s content, but for another time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we talk about the Pythagorean investigation?</p>
<p>I know we can talk about form &#8211; that&#8217;s the nature of this post. The boxes for kids to write in, they seem tight. What do you intend them to write in the &#8220;Triangle&#8221; column? Would the teacher need to explain this? </p>
<p>Is #2 really a question? Maybe you should tell them in #1 what they should find. And if it is a question, where should they write the answer? #3 &amp; #4 appear to be a single item divided into two. Is there a reason?</p>
<p>The spacing is very consistent. Should the spaces really be equal for items that need long response, short response, and no response? You&#8217;ve beaten visual &#8220;slosh,&#8221; but have you created cognitive slosh in its place?</p>
<p>I have questions about the sheet&#8217;s content, but for another time.</p>
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		By: Visuals: Handout Considerations 3: Thoughts On Teaching		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Visuals: Handout Considerations 3: Thoughts On Teaching]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] a recent post, Dan shows a handout that&#8217;s all too familiar. Would that type of worksheet become any better if the formatting was [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] a recent post, Dan shows a handout that&#8217;s all too familiar. Would that type of worksheet become any better if the formatting was [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not much disagreement here, only a clarification to say I&#039;m not trying to alter the basic democracy of learning or teaching.

I mean, if we&#039;re talking about tech within &lt;em&gt;learning&lt;/em&gt;, I&#039;ve been kind of a jerk &lt;a href=&quot;/?p=47&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in the past&lt;/a&gt;, stubbornly resisting complication.

If we&#039;re talking about tech within &lt;em&gt;teaching&lt;/em&gt;, though, I&#039;m afraid I don&#039;t see it as quite the pollutant you do.  I&#039;m not saying a teacher ain&#039;t worth nothin&#039; without technology but the opposite is hardly true.

i.e., my projector lets me put large images in front of my students&#039; eyes.  My laptop lets me sequence them.  This is nothing but great.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not much disagreement here, only a clarification to say I&#8217;m not trying to alter the basic democracy of learning or teaching.</p>
<p>I mean, if we&#8217;re talking about tech within <em>learning</em>, I&#8217;ve been kind of a jerk <a href="/?p=47" rel="nofollow">in the past</a>, stubbornly resisting complication.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re talking about tech within <em>teaching</em>, though, I&#8217;m afraid I don&#8217;t see it as quite the pollutant you do.  I&#8217;m not saying a teacher ain&#8217;t worth nothin&#8217; without technology but the opposite is hardly true.</p>
<p>i.e., my projector lets me put large images in front of my students&#8217; eyes.  My laptop lets me sequence them.  This is nothing but great.</p>
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		By: vlorbik		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vlorbik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[dan:

i&#039;ve read quite a bit more of your stuff than you seem to think.
(this is a complement to you, as i expect you realize).

try this:  if you change your message,
you&#039;ll lose, if not your audience, your reason
to be speaking in the first place.

i signed on as a math teacher and became
however good i am at it now over the course
of a longer period than i like to think about.
meanwhile, a lot of math departments have committed
(e.g.) to require students to buy &quot;graphing calculators&quot;.
the curriculum is adjusted accordingly.
this not only does nothing to make my job easier,
it takes time (and student interest) *away*
from what is necessarily a very limited budget
to begin with.  so too with, as far as i can see,
pretty much any other computer application.

not only do i not *want* to help the profiteers
that have hijacked the academy to sell their products,
i&#039;m not even *qualified* to do so since i can
never get the doggone things to work in the first place.
what i *can* do, and still very often get a chance to do,
is get students to understand more mathematics by talking 
with them about mathematics.  not something our
society values a whole lot, i&#039;ll admit, but still:
the product that the college actually goes out and sells.
switching in some bloody demos, no matter how well-prepared,
is bait-and-switch and i resent it.

i&#039;m never going to be much interested in selling.
speech &#038; presence &#038; suchlike variables ...
heck yes. i&#039;ve put in a lot of time working on &#039;em
and hope to continue to improve my skills 
over the whole rest of my working life.
bring a computer into the deal, though,
and you&#039;ve *changed the subject*.
part of the gospel i preach is:
*you* can do this ... with paper and pencil.

you just seem to take it for granted that 
high-tech *has* to be part of the picture.
i guess that&#039;s what all the rantage has been about.
this has been a very *harmful* assumption
in math ed in my opinion (a well-informed
and carefully considered opinion, i&#039;ll go ahead and add). 

there&#039;s a good chance that this misrepresents
*your* opinion; if so, maybe i&#039;ve chosen 
an even worse place to do this ranting
than i assumed a moment ago.  or maybe not ...
after all, i must have hoped to find at least
*some* chance of a sympathetic reading ...

anyway.  thanks for your kind attention. 
i&#039;ll leave you alone for at least awhile now
(but i&#039;ll be watching).  yours in the struggle.  v.

oh, p.s. :
i&#039;m not nearly so sure as you seem to be
that the guy in the hotdog will miss his audience ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dan:</p>
<p>i&#8217;ve read quite a bit more of your stuff than you seem to think.<br />
(this is a complement to you, as i expect you realize).</p>
<p>try this:  if you change your message,<br />
you&#8217;ll lose, if not your audience, your reason<br />
to be speaking in the first place.</p>
<p>i signed on as a math teacher and became<br />
however good i am at it now over the course<br />
of a longer period than i like to think about.<br />
meanwhile, a lot of math departments have committed<br />
(e.g.) to require students to buy &#8220;graphing calculators&#8221;.<br />
the curriculum is adjusted accordingly.<br />
this not only does nothing to make my job easier,<br />
it takes time (and student interest) *away*<br />
from what is necessarily a very limited budget<br />
to begin with.  so too with, as far as i can see,<br />
pretty much any other computer application.</p>
<p>not only do i not *want* to help the profiteers<br />
that have hijacked the academy to sell their products,<br />
i&#8217;m not even *qualified* to do so since i can<br />
never get the doggone things to work in the first place.<br />
what i *can* do, and still very often get a chance to do,<br />
is get students to understand more mathematics by talking<br />
with them about mathematics.  not something our<br />
society values a whole lot, i&#8217;ll admit, but still:<br />
the product that the college actually goes out and sells.<br />
switching in some bloody demos, no matter how well-prepared,<br />
is bait-and-switch and i resent it.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m never going to be much interested in selling.<br />
speech &amp; presence &amp; suchlike variables &#8230;<br />
heck yes. i&#8217;ve put in a lot of time working on &#8217;em<br />
and hope to continue to improve my skills<br />
over the whole rest of my working life.<br />
bring a computer into the deal, though,<br />
and you&#8217;ve *changed the subject*.<br />
part of the gospel i preach is:<br />
*you* can do this &#8230; with paper and pencil.</p>
<p>you just seem to take it for granted that<br />
high-tech *has* to be part of the picture.<br />
i guess that&#8217;s what all the rantage has been about.<br />
this has been a very *harmful* assumption<br />
in math ed in my opinion (a well-informed<br />
and carefully considered opinion, i&#8217;ll go ahead and add). </p>
<p>there&#8217;s a good chance that this misrepresents<br />
*your* opinion; if so, maybe i&#8217;ve chosen<br />
an even worse place to do this ranting<br />
than i assumed a moment ago.  or maybe not &#8230;<br />
after all, i must have hoped to find at least<br />
*some* chance of a sympathetic reading &#8230;</p>
<p>anyway.  thanks for your kind attention.<br />
i&#8217;ll leave you alone for at least awhile now<br />
(but i&#8217;ll be watching).  yours in the struggle.  v.</p>
<p>oh, p.s. :<br />
i&#8217;m not nearly so sure as you seem to be<br />
that the guy in the hotdog will miss his audience &#8230;</p>
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