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		By: Todd		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 22:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If we&#039;re going to change anything about our profession, it needs to be in the way things are run on school campuses, not public perception of our job. There are times I can work more and times when I work too much. Both ends of the spectrum are equally damaging.

Now, let&#039;s get to the real problems that exist within our system: tenure, tracking, credential requirements, accountability, school start time, electives, observations, salary, course offerings, testing, communication, etc. That&#039;s where we need to spend our time.

And Dan, &lt;a href=&quot;/?p=233#comment-4996&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;your earlier comment&lt;/a&gt; is fairly right on. I try really hard to fit into that 50% you describe. It doesn&#039;t take 60 hours every week to make that happen, but there are quite a few weeks where that&#039;s the case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we&#8217;re going to change anything about our profession, it needs to be in the way things are run on school campuses, not public perception of our job. There are times I can work more and times when I work too much. Both ends of the spectrum are equally damaging.</p>
<p>Now, let&#8217;s get to the real problems that exist within our system: tenure, tracking, credential requirements, accountability, school start time, electives, observations, salary, course offerings, testing, communication, etc. That&#8217;s where we need to spend our time.</p>
<p>And Dan, <a href="/?p=233#comment-4996" rel="nofollow">your earlier comment</a> is fairly right on. I try really hard to fit into that 50% you describe. It doesn&#8217;t take 60 hours every week to make that happen, but there are quite a few weeks where that&#8217;s the case.</p>
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		By: Dee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 11:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ha - I work for chocolate, just ask anyone!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha &#8211; I work for chocolate, just ask anyone!</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 06:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dee, feels like I owe you an hourly rate for the life coaching.  That all seemed right on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dee, feels like I owe you an hourly rate for the life coaching.  That all seemed right on.</p>
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		By: Dee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 01:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just sticking my two cents in which is exactly what it&#039;s worth.  Dan, I think that if you were in any other profession you would approach it with the same intensity.  It&#039;s who you are I think - not what you do. 
Life comes at all of in cycles and it seems like I remember a post just a short while ago where you were at a bit of a low cycle.  You give the most energy to whatever you are the most passionate about at any given time in your life and right now for you that is teaching.
It&#039;s a fortunate person that finds themselves able to do something they are passionate about and get PAID for it!  It&#039;s an even more fortunate person who is able to adjust with the cycles and be passionate about the new things that enter their lives.
Be passionate - put the time in and enjoy it.  It sounds to me like you are having a blast.  When it&#039;s time to back off and rest you will know it.  If it becomes time to spend some of that passion on something else you will know that too.  That&#039;s life - it changes and so do we.
Okay, off my soapbox now - goodnight folks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just sticking my two cents in which is exactly what it&#8217;s worth.  Dan, I think that if you were in any other profession you would approach it with the same intensity.  It&#8217;s who you are I think &#8211; not what you do.<br />
Life comes at all of in cycles and it seems like I remember a post just a short while ago where you were at a bit of a low cycle.  You give the most energy to whatever you are the most passionate about at any given time in your life and right now for you that is teaching.<br />
It&#8217;s a fortunate person that finds themselves able to do something they are passionate about and get PAID for it!  It&#8217;s an even more fortunate person who is able to adjust with the cycles and be passionate about the new things that enter their lives.<br />
Be passionate &#8211; put the time in and enjoy it.  It sounds to me like you are having a blast.  When it&#8217;s time to back off and rest you will know it.  If it becomes time to spend some of that passion on something else you will know that too.  That&#8217;s life &#8211; it changes and so do we.<br />
Okay, off my soapbox now &#8211; goodnight folks!</p>
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		By: TMAO		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TMAO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 18:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Rebecca, 

I don&#039;t think I made either-or declarations.

I don&#039;t think working efficently is dumb. 

I don&#039;t think I stood on a soapbox.

My overall point is that teaching, especially teaching in those much-vaunted &quot;high-need, at-risk&quot; communities, is a job that is damn near impossible to do well if you put in 40 hours a week. After your time in front of kids, you&#039;ve spent about 32 hours a week on the job, give or take. To work a 40-hour week, we&#039;re talking about 8 hours or so of lesson planning, assessing, tracking achievement, communicating with families, offering additional assistance or heaven forbid enrichment, and/ or participating in any school-based events. My point was, rather than alter expectations such that folks can keep Starbucks hours and still feel good, we should alter the way our profession is structured, communicated, marketed, qualified for, and compensated, such that the (basically) required 60 hours seems about right on to the folks who are seeking the job.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rebecca, </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I made either-or declarations.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think working efficently is dumb. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I stood on a soapbox.</p>
<p>My overall point is that teaching, especially teaching in those much-vaunted &#8220;high-need, at-risk&#8221; communities, is a job that is damn near impossible to do well if you put in 40 hours a week. After your time in front of kids, you&#8217;ve spent about 32 hours a week on the job, give or take. To work a 40-hour week, we&#8217;re talking about 8 hours or so of lesson planning, assessing, tracking achievement, communicating with families, offering additional assistance or heaven forbid enrichment, and/ or participating in any school-based events. My point was, rather than alter expectations such that folks can keep Starbucks hours and still feel good, we should alter the way our profession is structured, communicated, marketed, qualified for, and compensated, such that the (basically) required 60 hours seems about right on to the folks who are seeking the job.</p>
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		By: Rebecca		</title>
		<link>/2007/punctuating-this-conversation-and-the-year-sort-of/#comment-5153</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rebecca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 14:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan - You have already answered your own burn-out question.  If you were feeling consistently stressed and exhausted and if other areas of your life were being neglected or abandoned because of your obsession with teaching, then you would be heading for burn-out.  It sounds to me as if you are simply an intense individual who nevertheless manages to balance all the aspects of your life in a way that keeps you healthy.  Bravo!  I admire your dedication and drive. 

As for TMAO&#039;s comment: &quot;Why dumb it down (for lack of a better term)?&quot;   um, excuse me but when did working efficently become dumb?  Time management, classroom management, and lesson planning are all skills.  They can be learned and improved.  
Standing on a soapbox and declaring &quot;my way or the highway&quot; doesn&#039;t create a valuable discussion nor does it help your collegues or the profession in general.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan &#8211; You have already answered your own burn-out question.  If you were feeling consistently stressed and exhausted and if other areas of your life were being neglected or abandoned because of your obsession with teaching, then you would be heading for burn-out.  It sounds to me as if you are simply an intense individual who nevertheless manages to balance all the aspects of your life in a way that keeps you healthy.  Bravo!  I admire your dedication and drive. </p>
<p>As for TMAO&#8217;s comment: &#8220;Why dumb it down (for lack of a better term)?&#8221;   um, excuse me but when did working efficently become dumb?  Time management, classroom management, and lesson planning are all skills.  They can be learned and improved.<br />
Standing on a soapbox and declaring &#8220;my way or the highway&#8221; doesn&#8217;t create a valuable discussion nor does it help your collegues or the profession in general.</p>
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		By: Steve Peters		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Peters]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 03:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Go big or go home, Dan.  That&#039;s what they say in Willits, CA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go big or go home, Dan.  That&#8217;s what they say in Willits, CA.</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 19:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To &lt;strong&gt;J.D.&lt;/strong&gt;: &lt;a href=&quot;http://paperclipchallenge.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To <strong>J.D.</strong>: <a href="http://paperclipchallenge.com/" rel="nofollow">this</a> one.</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 18:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I had really pursued the whole &quot;Chris Is Concerned&quot; angle, I was going to address your valid reservation with making this lifestyle a public policy expectation.

And to suss out your sub-rosa point here, Chris, it seems like you&#039;re saying that, well, TMAO and Dan are both fans of the standardized model.  Both of &lt;em&gt;them&lt;/em&gt; feel comfortable putting in a bunch of off-contract hours, which is fine, but what about the teachers who don&#039;t feel like jacking their hourly rate so close to minimum wage.

Which is a fine point, really, and it&#039;d be pretty lame and smug of me to trumpet the standardized model if I thought it meant every teacher in America had to up their hourly contribution to 60+ per week (barring any enticements you or TMAO can concoct).

But I don&#039;t.

I think to make the standardized model work, teachers need to work smarter more than harder.  Teachers need to change how they work &lt;em&gt;inside&lt;/em&gt; their classrooms more than they need to increase their contribution &lt;em&gt;outside&lt;/em&gt;.

If I could be confident that 50% of America&#039;s teachers ...
&lt;ol&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;... didn&#039;t waste hours on the week and days on the year with lousy class- and time-management ...&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;... gave more than an afterthought to what their state board asked them to teach ... (i.e. if they checked out their state&#039;s framework, standards, or released questions at the &lt;em&gt;start&lt;/em&gt; of the year rather than five days before testing) ...&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;
... and the nation&#039;s students didn&#039;t show gains across the board, I&#039;d vote to toss testing.

But there are a &lt;em&gt;lot&lt;/em&gt; of teachers who waste a &lt;em&gt;lot&lt;/em&gt; of time.  Students know it and feel it and it annoys them.  The California math standards assume you are teaching 180 days out of the year but, once time-sucks are considered, we&#039;re somewhere south of 150.  If we&#039;re after a model that lets us dawdle and pick and choose the times we want to respect our students&#039; &lt;em&gt;compulsory&lt;/em&gt; time commitment, then yeah, let&#039;s scrap standardized testing.  I just maintain a lot of hope that we can get this thing right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had really pursued the whole &#8220;Chris Is Concerned&#8221; angle, I was going to address your valid reservation with making this lifestyle a public policy expectation.</p>
<p>And to suss out your sub-rosa point here, Chris, it seems like you&#8217;re saying that, well, TMAO and Dan are both fans of the standardized model.  Both of <em>them</em> feel comfortable putting in a bunch of off-contract hours, which is fine, but what about the teachers who don&#8217;t feel like jacking their hourly rate so close to minimum wage.</p>
<p>Which is a fine point, really, and it&#8217;d be pretty lame and smug of me to trumpet the standardized model if I thought it meant every teacher in America had to up their hourly contribution to 60+ per week (barring any enticements you or TMAO can concoct).</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I think to make the standardized model work, teachers need to work smarter more than harder.  Teachers need to change how they work <em>inside</em> their classrooms more than they need to increase their contribution <em>outside</em>.</p>
<p>If I could be confident that 50% of America&#8217;s teachers &#8230;</p>
<ol>
<li>&#8230; didn&#8217;t waste hours on the week and days on the year with lousy class- and time-management &#8230;</li>
<li>&#8230; gave more than an afterthought to what their state board asked them to teach &#8230; (i.e. if they checked out their state&#8217;s framework, standards, or released questions at the <em>start</em> of the year rather than five days before testing) &#8230;</li>
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<p>&#8230; and the nation&#8217;s students didn&#8217;t show gains across the board, I&#8217;d vote to toss testing.</p>
<p>But there are a <em>lot</em> of teachers who waste a <em>lot</em> of time.  Students know it and feel it and it annoys them.  The California math standards assume you are teaching 180 days out of the year but, once time-sucks are considered, we&#8217;re somewhere south of 150.  If we&#8217;re after a model that lets us dawdle and pick and choose the times we want to respect our students&#8217; <em>compulsory</em> time commitment, then yeah, let&#8217;s scrap standardized testing.  I just maintain a lot of hope that we can get this thing right.</p>
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		By: J.D. Williams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.D. Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 18:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Who cares about all this burnout stuff? 13 and a half more days here.

All I really want to know is what was the Guinness World Record?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares about all this burnout stuff? 13 and a half more days here.</p>
<p>All I really want to know is what was the Guinness World Record?</p>
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