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		By: TMAO		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Dina, 

Perhaps the nicest parsing of the term &quot;suck&quot; I&#039;ve ever read. Kudos. Sucky content means all those things. For me, it&#039;s in the interplay of content and eventual product. Some content inherently lends itself to interesting product. Examples abound, so take your pick; there&#039;s no need to belabor this point. 

Intrinsically low interest content can be made meaningful and exciting by:

1) improving and making interesting the process (which is increasingly accomplished by appropriate tech use)
2) improving and making interesting the product students deliver (which is increasingly attempted by inappropriate or at least unjustifiable tech use)
3) some combination of the two]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dina, </p>
<p>Perhaps the nicest parsing of the term &#8220;suck&#8221; I&#8217;ve ever read. Kudos. Sucky content means all those things. For me, it&#8217;s in the interplay of content and eventual product. Some content inherently lends itself to interesting product. Examples abound, so take your pick; there&#8217;s no need to belabor this point. </p>
<p>Intrinsically low interest content can be made meaningful and exciting by:</p>
<p>1) improving and making interesting the process (which is increasingly accomplished by appropriate tech use)<br />
2) improving and making interesting the product students deliver (which is increasingly attempted by inappropriate or at least unjustifiable tech use)<br />
3) some combination of the two</p>
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		By: Dina		</title>
		<link>/2008/a-moonwalking-red-herring/#comment-61438</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TMAO, I&#039;m going to push past my &quot;ooh-- he used the vernacular &#039;suck,&#039; so it must be true&quot; reaction and ask you to be a little more Socratic in defining your terms. I&#039;m fascinated, because &quot;sucky content&quot; is what I&#039;m hearing across the board to be the top reason for reaching for the magic bullet of tech, and I don&#039;t trust its monolithic shine. Don&#039;t take it personally. 

What does sucky content *mean*? It&#039;s demonstrably important and necessary, but not intrinsically interesting to 14 year olds? It&#039;s not linguistically or developmentally appropriate (as so much is in ELL instruction), but you&#039;re required to teach it? It&#039;s actually decent content with potential, but you&#039;re too lazy/stressed/uncreative to figure out how to connect it to your kids&#039; lives?

I know you&#039;ve got a good answer for this. But I don&#039;t think everyone does.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TMAO, I&#8217;m going to push past my &#8220;ooh&#8211; he used the vernacular &#8216;suck,&#8217; so it must be true&#8221; reaction and ask you to be a little more Socratic in defining your terms. I&#8217;m fascinated, because &#8220;sucky content&#8221; is what I&#8217;m hearing across the board to be the top reason for reaching for the magic bullet of tech, and I don&#8217;t trust its monolithic shine. Don&#8217;t take it personally. </p>
<p>What does sucky content *mean*? It&#8217;s demonstrably important and necessary, but not intrinsically interesting to 14 year olds? It&#8217;s not linguistically or developmentally appropriate (as so much is in ELL instruction), but you&#8217;re required to teach it? It&#8217;s actually decent content with potential, but you&#8217;re too lazy/stressed/uncreative to figure out how to connect it to your kids&#8217; lives?</p>
<p>I know you&#8217;ve got a good answer for this. But I don&#8217;t think everyone does.</p>
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		By: Scott Schwister		</title>
		<link>/2008/a-moonwalking-red-herring/#comment-60947</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Schwister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Personification of fonts? There&#039;s a teachable lit moment in there somewhere. 

While we righteous font-snobs and typophiliacs are busy heaping abuse on poor Comic Sans, we should pause to reflect on the spooky ways in which reality mirrors irony: 

http://www.helveticafilm.com/blog/2008/02/19/a-font-we-can-believe-in/

The font featured in Obama&#039;s CHANGE campaign signage was envisioned by its designer as &quot;something that would look very fresh, yet very established, to have a credible voice to it. . . . It also needed to look very masculine and “of-the-moment.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personification of fonts? There&#8217;s a teachable lit moment in there somewhere. </p>
<p>While we righteous font-snobs and typophiliacs are busy heaping abuse on poor Comic Sans, we should pause to reflect on the spooky ways in which reality mirrors irony: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.helveticafilm.com/blog/2008/02/19/a-font-we-can-believe-in/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.helveticafilm.com/blog/2008/02/19/a-font-we-can-believe-in/</a></p>
<p>The font featured in Obama&#8217;s CHANGE campaign signage was envisioned by its designer as &#8220;something that would look very fresh, yet very established, to have a credible voice to it. . . . It also needed to look very masculine and “of-the-moment.&#8221;</p>
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		By: TMAO		</title>
		<link>/2008/a-moonwalking-red-herring/#comment-60892</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TMAO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think this is unnecessarily dichotomous. 

To a certain extent, the content is what the content is (i.e. standards) and everything else is form. Oh, I guess you could make the argument that changing the books you read to analyze character or the work kids do to demontrate understanding of mark-up and discount demonstrate alterations in content, but I would argue that these are alterations in product. You&#039;re still analyzing character no matter what you read, and you&#039;re still doing discounts and mark-ups, whether you worksheet it out or have kids build web sites of fictious stores, and analyze different pricing approaches.

Content (standards) --&#062; form (how they&#039;re taught) --&#062; product (what kids do)

(Please clean up my design. No really, please).

I say this because a lot of the time my content ain&#039;t that great. I&#039;m teaching 14-year-olds short vowel sounds. That content sucks. But I can change the form to make it engaging, change the product so you don&#039;t feel like you&#039;re dumb when you&#039;re 14 and still spitting out short-e, and so on. 

The real discussion we ought to have w/r/t to technology, is not how it is used or misused in form, but its role in product. Why are kids making powerpoints? Why are they blogging? Why are they using responders? Quite often there are strong, well-thought out and valid answers to these questions. Quite often there aren&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is unnecessarily dichotomous. </p>
<p>To a certain extent, the content is what the content is (i.e. standards) and everything else is form. Oh, I guess you could make the argument that changing the books you read to analyze character or the work kids do to demontrate understanding of mark-up and discount demonstrate alterations in content, but I would argue that these are alterations in product. You&#8217;re still analyzing character no matter what you read, and you&#8217;re still doing discounts and mark-ups, whether you worksheet it out or have kids build web sites of fictious stores, and analyze different pricing approaches.</p>
<p>Content (standards) &#8211;&gt; form (how they&#8217;re taught) &#8211;&gt; product (what kids do)</p>
<p>(Please clean up my design. No really, please).</p>
<p>I say this because a lot of the time my content ain&#8217;t that great. I&#8217;m teaching 14-year-olds short vowel sounds. That content sucks. But I can change the form to make it engaging, change the product so you don&#8217;t feel like you&#8217;re dumb when you&#8217;re 14 and still spitting out short-e, and so on. </p>
<p>The real discussion we ought to have w/r/t to technology, is not how it is used or misused in form, but its role in product. Why are kids making powerpoints? Why are they blogging? Why are they using responders? Quite often there are strong, well-thought out and valid answers to these questions. Quite often there aren&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: Neal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/070510.html&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s another one for you, Damian.&lt;/a&gt; This is the first of a short series. I thought the personification of the font was hilariously dead on, although I&#039;m not sure it displayed much in the way of style &lt;i&gt;or&lt;/i&gt; substance...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/070510.html">Here&#8217;s another one for you, Damian.</a> This is the first of a short series. I thought the personification of the font was hilariously dead on, although I&#8217;m not sure it displayed much in the way of style <i>or</i> substance&#8230;</p>
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		By: Mike Hasley		</title>
		<link>/2008/a-moonwalking-red-herring/#comment-60839</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Hasley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yesterday, I taught a class of college students who want to be teachers.  I opened with this analogy that I think is appropriate: 6 months ago my wife and I bought a HDTV but kept our regular cable.  Which meant, I had a $800 TV that wasn&#039;t any better than our $200 TV.  But now, we have HDTV channels via satellite.  The $800 is much more well spent now.  The difference obviously is the content.  Moral of the story, content is always more important.  However, there are times when technology can greatly enhance content.  I saw a simple example of this the other day because it hit home with my 8 year old daughter.  In Kindergarten, she worked on compasses and cardinal points and all that.  She had a half faced, half crooked worksheet to work on.  Then the other day, I saw how a teacher had her kindergarten students type in their address to google earth, take a picture of their house, and then describe what was north, south, east, and west of their house.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday, I taught a class of college students who want to be teachers.  I opened with this analogy that I think is appropriate: 6 months ago my wife and I bought a HDTV but kept our regular cable.  Which meant, I had a $800 TV that wasn&#8217;t any better than our $200 TV.  But now, we have HDTV channels via satellite.  The $800 is much more well spent now.  The difference obviously is the content.  Moral of the story, content is always more important.  However, there are times when technology can greatly enhance content.  I saw a simple example of this the other day because it hit home with my 8 year old daughter.  In Kindergarten, she worked on compasses and cardinal points and all that.  She had a half faced, half crooked worksheet to work on.  Then the other day, I saw how a teacher had her kindergarten students type in their address to google earth, take a picture of their house, and then describe what was north, south, east, and west of their house.</p>
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		By: Dina		</title>
		<link>/2008/a-moonwalking-red-herring/#comment-60808</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I feel like scales have fallen from my eyes. I had no idea there was this underground vendetta against Comic Sans. I thought I was just making my constricting teacher-centered assignments and print-crammed Powerpoint slides look friendly and accessible...but it&#039;s true. (weeping) It&#039;s all true. 

(It actually is true, though. I learn something every day on this blog.) 

H, I see your point. (laughter)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like scales have fallen from my eyes. I had no idea there was this underground vendetta against Comic Sans. I thought I was just making my constricting teacher-centered assignments and print-crammed Powerpoint slides look friendly and accessible&#8230;but it&#8217;s true. (weeping) It&#8217;s all true. </p>
<p>(It actually is true, though. I learn something every day on this blog.) </p>
<p>H, I see your point. (laughter)</p>
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		By: Damian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Damian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did somebody say &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.achewood.com/index.php?date=07052007&quot;&gt; Comic Sans&lt;/a&gt;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did somebody say <a href="http://www.achewood.com/index.php?date=07052007"> Comic Sans</a>?</p>
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		By: Neal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t forget Wikipedia.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget Wikipedia.</p>
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		By: Benjamin Baxter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benjamin Baxter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;...there exists no tool, no shortcut, nothing else to do the job but the blunt application of profound creativity in the direction of challenging content standards.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sure there is. I call it Google.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;there exists no tool, no shortcut, nothing else to do the job but the blunt application of profound creativity in the direction of challenging content standards.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure there is. I call it Google.</p>
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