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		By: Understanding GPS &#124; Mr. Hamada's Universe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Understanding GPS &#124; Mr. Hamada's Universe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 16:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Fitzgerald has put forward a challenge in response to dan&#8217;s post about sharing lesson ideas: If a critical mass of teachers (lets [...]]]></description>
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		By: Neal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ah yes, the old inevitable pile of garbage resulting from collective internet projects paradox... 

Well, I for one was speaking largely to those posting on their little old individual blogs. I&#039;m not saying go crazy with the lessons, but one or two a month would be wonderfully useful, at least for someone like me. I suspect most of you would not produce many poor examples that didn&#039;t at least hold a few redeeming qualities. 

If we were to create some kind of comprehensive resource, quality control would indeed become more of an issue. A voting system actually could work quite well in my opinion, although it would probably polarize the community at least a little and could lend itself to abuse. An alternative might be to form another group blog a la The Faculty Room or TLN that has a fixed pool of contributors and/or a strict peer review process for any submitted posts, with the topic being 100% curriculum. 

For now, I resubmit that all you solo bloggers would be providing a valuable public service to post even just one of your very best lessons. Heck, let&#039;s make it a meme. And you&#039;re all tagged! (I ain&#039;t teaching yet, so I&#039;m exempt, suckers)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, the old inevitable pile of garbage resulting from collective internet projects paradox&#8230; </p>
<p>Well, I for one was speaking largely to those posting on their little old individual blogs. I&#8217;m not saying go crazy with the lessons, but one or two a month would be wonderfully useful, at least for someone like me. I suspect most of you would not produce many poor examples that didn&#8217;t at least hold a few redeeming qualities. </p>
<p>If we were to create some kind of comprehensive resource, quality control would indeed become more of an issue. A voting system actually could work quite well in my opinion, although it would probably polarize the community at least a little and could lend itself to abuse. An alternative might be to form another group blog a la The Faculty Room or TLN that has a fixed pool of contributors and/or a strict peer review process for any submitted posts, with the topic being 100% curriculum. </p>
<p>For now, I resubmit that all you solo bloggers would be providing a valuable public service to post even just one of your very best lessons. Heck, let&#8217;s make it a meme. And you&#8217;re all tagged! (I ain&#8217;t teaching yet, so I&#8217;m exempt, suckers)</p>
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		By: Jason Dyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Dyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[By &quot;fit for public consumption&quot; I mean &quot;able to be understood by others so they can actually use the thing&quot;, not &quot;high quality&quot;.

I&#039;ve already posted about a &lt;a href=&quot;http://numberwarrior.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/snowflake-math-redux/&quot;&gt;less than stellar lesson&lt;/a&gt; which I based off of one of Dan&#039;s which he admitted also didn&#039;t so well. I think after a few more rounds (nobody has taken me up on it) it might turn out smashing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By &#8220;fit for public consumption&#8221; I mean &#8220;able to be understood by others so they can actually use the thing&#8221;, not &#8220;high quality&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve already posted about a <a href="http://numberwarrior.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/snowflake-math-redux/">less than stellar lesson</a> which I based off of one of Dan&#8217;s which he admitted also didn&#8217;t so well. I think after a few more rounds (nobody has taken me up on it) it might turn out smashing.</p>
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		By: Eric Hoefler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Hoefler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Bill: Regarding &quot;not using ... Feedburner,&quot; I&#039;m pretty sure that bloggers (at least, those using Wordpress) can have a Feedburner feed, and even have that as the default feed for the site (through the header tag), but still generate tag-specific feeds.  A Feedburner plugin, on the other hand, might screw all that up.

Also, if I knew there was a resource like the one you&#039;re proposing here (and particularly if you were involved in developing that resource), I&#039;d happily go back through my old lessons and post the best of what I could find.  I haven&#039;t done that so far because I wasn&#039;t sure the effort would be worth the benefit to others if they just sat on my little blog.  If they were thrown into a big mix of lesson plans from other teachers, though, then perhaps one or two would be helpful to a few teachers, making all the effort worth it.

So my hand&#039;s in the air.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bill: Regarding &#8220;not using &#8230; Feedburner,&#8221; I&#8217;m pretty sure that bloggers (at least, those using WordPress) can have a Feedburner feed, and even have that as the default feed for the site (through the header tag), but still generate tag-specific feeds.  A Feedburner plugin, on the other hand, might screw all that up.</p>
<p>Also, if I knew there was a resource like the one you&#8217;re proposing here (and particularly if you were involved in developing that resource), I&#8217;d happily go back through my old lessons and post the best of what I could find.  I haven&#8217;t done that so far because I wasn&#8217;t sure the effort would be worth the benefit to others if they just sat on my little blog.  If they were thrown into a big mix of lesson plans from other teachers, though, then perhaps one or two would be helpful to a few teachers, making all the effort worth it.</p>
<p>So my hand&#8217;s in the air.</p>
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		By: HarryO		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HarryO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@H ... I was literally discussing this issue with a friend of mine yesterday.

I&#039;m not sure how things work in the US, but here in New South Wales, Australia there is a precisely defined curriculum, broken down in great detail.

For example, you can find the Year 7-10 curriculum at

  http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/syllabus_sc/#mathematics

Obviously, different school systems will break things down in different ways, but I would imagine most of the content would overlap significantly.

My suggestion was to simply have an index for each jurisdiction.  So, if adding fractions was designated 3.1 in one curriculum and 4.3 in another, the corresponding entries in the two indices would simply point to the same resource in the corpus.

This way, a teacher would just go to the index that corresponds to the jurisdiction within which they teach and there should then be a one-to-one correspondence between what they&#039;re supposed to be teaching and the items in that index.

Hence, finding resources is a simple matter of going to the corresponding index entry for the curriculum topic they are about to teach.  No real searching involved.

Regarding the varying quality of material, I would think one could use some kind of voting system (a la digg) to order the resources for each topic.

Of course, this might need to be slightly more complex than I make it sound, since the precise specification of different curricula may mean there are multiple definitions of &quot;best&quot; even within a single topic.

However, all up, this seems like the most useful way to approach the presentation of the information.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@H &#8230; I was literally discussing this issue with a friend of mine yesterday.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how things work in the US, but here in New South Wales, Australia there is a precisely defined curriculum, broken down in great detail.</p>
<p>For example, you can find the Year 7-10 curriculum at</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/syllabus_sc/#mathematics" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/syllabus_sc/#mathematics</a></p>
<p>Obviously, different school systems will break things down in different ways, but I would imagine most of the content would overlap significantly.</p>
<p>My suggestion was to simply have an index for each jurisdiction.  So, if adding fractions was designated 3.1 in one curriculum and 4.3 in another, the corresponding entries in the two indices would simply point to the same resource in the corpus.</p>
<p>This way, a teacher would just go to the index that corresponds to the jurisdiction within which they teach and there should then be a one-to-one correspondence between what they&#8217;re supposed to be teaching and the items in that index.</p>
<p>Hence, finding resources is a simple matter of going to the corresponding index entry for the curriculum topic they are about to teach.  No real searching involved.</p>
<p>Regarding the varying quality of material, I would think one could use some kind of voting system (a la digg) to order the resources for each topic.</p>
<p>Of course, this might need to be slightly more complex than I make it sound, since the precise specification of different curricula may mean there are multiple definitions of &#8220;best&#8221; even within a single topic.</p>
<p>However, all up, this seems like the most useful way to approach the presentation of the information.</p>
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		By: H.		</title>
		<link>/2008/how-long-now/#comment-73403</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[H.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(Still laughing at Neal&#039;s &quot;sticking out their curricular neck&quot; bit. Sounds like a blog title, with some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.savagechickens.com/blog/index.html&quot;&gt;savage chicken&lt;/a&gt; image attached.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Still laughing at Neal&#8217;s &#8220;sticking out their curricular neck&#8221; bit. Sounds like a blog title, with some <a href="http://www.savagechickens.com/blog/index.html">savage chicken</a> image attached.)</p>
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		By: H.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[H.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[HarryO and Neal, you&#039;re so nice. Makes me want to write more myself. I just know that some large lesson plan sites have made me more tired than inspired, there&#039;s just so. much. unsorted stuff, it&#039;s like getting crates full of old materials from a senior teacher and knowing that some of it might be just great... sometime...

Is there any way of balancing the need for making us all feel we can and should contribute with the need all of us have for limiting the time we spend wading through only marginally useful material?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HarryO and Neal, you&#8217;re so nice. Makes me want to write more myself. I just know that some large lesson plan sites have made me more tired than inspired, there&#8217;s just so. much. unsorted stuff, it&#8217;s like getting crates full of old materials from a senior teacher and knowing that some of it might be just great&#8230; sometime&#8230;</p>
<p>Is there any way of balancing the need for making us all feel we can and should contribute with the need all of us have for limiting the time we spend wading through only marginally useful material?</p>
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		By: Neal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m there with HarryO. Throw them out there. I think a lot of us would love to see what some of you go-getters think are your weakest ideas. 

Every time I see someone sticking their curricular neck out in earnest, I can&#039;t help but internalize something positive. Even if the idea sucks, the passion behind it remains, which never ceases to provide a seed of thought that can usually blossom into a slightly less crappy idea of my very own.

It&#039;s like examining one of ya&#039;lls CM scenarios. I may not choose  to act like you did it, but that doesn&#039;t mean your experience doesn&#039;t help me figure out my own style. So, consider this a plea from the uninitiated: please, give us your almost-OK lessons. Submit yourself to the court of public opinion with the knowledge that many (if any) of us don&#039;t know any better than you do. I&#039;m certain that I, for one, can&#039;t help but become a better teacher for it.

FWIW]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m there with HarryO. Throw them out there. I think a lot of us would love to see what some of you go-getters think are your weakest ideas. </p>
<p>Every time I see someone sticking their curricular neck out in earnest, I can&#8217;t help but internalize something positive. Even if the idea sucks, the passion behind it remains, which never ceases to provide a seed of thought that can usually blossom into a slightly less crappy idea of my very own.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like examining one of ya&#8217;lls CM scenarios. I may not choose  to act like you did it, but that doesn&#8217;t mean your experience doesn&#8217;t help me figure out my own style. So, consider this a plea from the uninitiated: please, give us your almost-OK lessons. Submit yourself to the court of public opinion with the knowledge that many (if any) of us don&#8217;t know any better than you do. I&#8217;m certain that I, for one, can&#8217;t help but become a better teacher for it.</p>
<p>FWIW</p>
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		By: HarryO		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@JackieB &#038; @Sarah ... I&#039;ve just started training, so I don&#039;t even have a single lesson plan yet, let alone one fit for public consumption.

However, I would say there&#039;s no reason to be concerned that you&#039;ve not produced a perfect gem.  What you  have created may well be something that others can help you to polish.

Building up a corpus of lesson plans, that can be refined over time, is definitely better than everyone backing off because they don&#039;t feel what they have is worth contributing and, as a consequence, all of us ending up with such a sparse catalogue that it&#039;s next to useless.

Further, no matter how raw you feel they are, I&#039;ll bet there are other teachers out there who would welcome your plans as starting points.

Give yourselves some credit, take a risk, and I&#039;ll bet you discover you&#039;ve contributed much more than you think.

Good luck to you both.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JackieB &amp; @Sarah &#8230; I&#8217;ve just started training, so I don&#8217;t even have a single lesson plan yet, let alone one fit for public consumption.</p>
<p>However, I would say there&#8217;s no reason to be concerned that you&#8217;ve not produced a perfect gem.  What you  have created may well be something that others can help you to polish.</p>
<p>Building up a corpus of lesson plans, that can be refined over time, is definitely better than everyone backing off because they don&#8217;t feel what they have is worth contributing and, as a consequence, all of us ending up with such a sparse catalogue that it&#8217;s next to useless.</p>
<p>Further, no matter how raw you feel they are, I&#8217;ll bet there are other teachers out there who would welcome your plans as starting points.</p>
<p>Give yourselves some credit, take a risk, and I&#8217;ll bet you discover you&#8217;ve contributed much more than you think.</p>
<p>Good luck to you both.</p>
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		By: H.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What Jackie and Sarah are saying. And the side note that the first 40 teachers confident enough to sign up, and the first 40 teachers competent enough to write stuff really fit for wide distribution, those sets might not be entirely coextensive.

At &lt;a href=&quot;http://ilovemath.org&quot;&gt;I/ Love Math&lt;/a&gt;, outstanding stuff and materials that could use some cleaning up are side by side, and you need to sift through a good deal to find the real gems (what distinguishes I Love Math is, of course, that there is enough of the latter to make it more than worth the time it takes. Most lesson plan sites are a mess - ILM is the only one I&#039;ve continued to use.) 

So, what kind of quality control? What about some rating system where, instead of just voting a lesson up for its looking cool, teachers rate lessons by indicating that they have actually used [elements of] the lessons successfully? Or, if some 50 of us (or whatever) wrote something every month, some kind of voting system could determine the best 30 (or so) entries? The rest could be made available too, but somehow in a separate pile.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Jackie and Sarah are saying. And the side note that the first 40 teachers confident enough to sign up, and the first 40 teachers competent enough to write stuff really fit for wide distribution, those sets might not be entirely coextensive.</p>
<p>At <a href="http://ilovemath.org/">I Love Math</a>, outstanding stuff and materials that could use some cleaning up are side by side, and you need to sift through a good deal to find the real gems (what distinguishes I Love Math is, of course, that there is enough of the latter to make it more than worth the time it takes. Most lesson plan sites are a mess &#8211; ILM is the only one I&#8217;ve continued to use.) </p>
<p>So, what kind of quality control? What about some rating system where, instead of just voting a lesson up for its looking cool, teachers rate lessons by indicating that they have actually used [elements of] the lessons successfully? Or, if some 50 of us (or whatever) wrote something every month, some kind of voting system could determine the best 30 (or so) entries? The rest could be made available too, but somehow in a separate pile.</p>
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