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		By: TMAO		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe I need to chill and find the funny, but Dan man, reading those comments, the comments at Joanne Jacobs on the same topic, and the comments on your plan for getting em back, I&#039;m forcibly reminded on just how F-ing far we are, as a profession, industry, etc., from the places we need to be. So F-ing far.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I need to chill and find the funny, but Dan man, reading those comments, the comments at Joanne Jacobs on the same topic, and the comments on your plan for getting em back, I&#8217;m forcibly reminded on just how F-ing far we are, as a profession, industry, etc., from the places we need to be. So F-ing far.</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Joanne&lt;/strong&gt;, thanks for dropping by.  I haven&#039;t seen the movie but on the face of its trailer it doesn&#039;t seem too different from much of the 21&lt;sup&gt;st&lt;/sup&gt;-century global panic a lot of the Warlick crowd promotes.

No doubt the fact that education hasn&#039;t changed appreciably in 150 years while the rest of the world, um, has, is disturbing.  But I don&#039;t know if I&#039;ll go to a movie in which six students are cherrypicked from around the world to underline that point over and over again.

If you see it and I&#039;m wrong about it, please lemme know.

&lt;strong&gt;To the rest&lt;/strong&gt;, may I direct your attention to &lt;a href=&quot;/?p=53&quot;&gt;Important Ratio #2&lt;/a&gt;, which has nowhere near the pageviews of her tech-minded predecessor but which runs through my head fifty times more per day.

In that first video you&#039;ve got a student whistling.

&lt;em&gt;Whistling.&lt;/em&gt;  And the teacher flies off the handle.

Effort From The Student To Piss Off Teacher, Ranked From 1 To 10: 3.

Teacher&#039;s Reaction, Ranked From 1 To 10: 8

Whenever the teacher&#039;s ranking exceeds the student&#039;s, the student wins and the behavior is reinforced.

Through creativity and patience, a teacher can always keep her ranking beneath the student&#039;s, in which case, the teacher wins, and the student&#039;s behavior is one step closer to extermination.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Joanne</strong>, thanks for dropping by.  I haven&#8217;t seen the movie but on the face of its trailer it doesn&#8217;t seem too different from much of the 21<sup>st</sup>-century global panic a lot of the Warlick crowd promotes.</p>
<p>No doubt the fact that education hasn&#8217;t changed appreciably in 150 years while the rest of the world, um, has, is disturbing.  But I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;ll go to a movie in which six students are cherrypicked from around the world to underline that point over and over again.</p>
<p>If you see it and I&#8217;m wrong about it, please lemme know.</p>
<p><strong>To the rest</strong>, may I direct your attention to <a href="/?p=53">Important Ratio #2</a>, which has nowhere near the pageviews of her tech-minded predecessor but which runs through my head fifty times more per day.</p>
<p>In that first video you&#8217;ve got a student whistling.</p>
<p><em>Whistling.</em>  And the teacher flies off the handle.</p>
<p>Effort From The Student To Piss Off Teacher, Ranked From 1 To 10: 3.</p>
<p>Teacher&#8217;s Reaction, Ranked From 1 To 10: 8</p>
<p>Whenever the teacher&#8217;s ranking exceeds the student&#8217;s, the student wins and the behavior is reinforced.</p>
<p>Through creativity and patience, a teacher can always keep her ranking beneath the student&#8217;s, in which case, the teacher wins, and the student&#8217;s behavior is one step closer to extermination.</p>
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		By: Jason Dyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 04:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would also like to toss in thanks to the rebuttal-contributors. The only thing that came to my mind when I read the thread was something which would not be written in the annals of fine rhetoric.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also like to toss in thanks to the rebuttal-contributors. The only thing that came to my mind when I read the thread was something which would not be written in the annals of fine rhetoric.</p>
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		By: Mr. Sadler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 00:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Those videos were just scary.  It is awful watching people reach the breaking points.  I agree with the posters who say that it is the teacher&#039;s fault.  Students will always test the waters and if they are bored or know that they can get a rise out of the teacher that&#039;s what they will do. 

I hope that the lessons learned (especially for the new teachers in this crowd) are to have good lessons and engage your students to avoid these types of scenarios.  If the students see that you care about the students and the subject matter you will have no problems like these in the classroom...ever.

For thsoe people saying its the students fault, I have to disagree.  The teacher sets the atmosphere in the class not the students.  (Sorry to get back on the classroom management discussion again)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those videos were just scary.  It is awful watching people reach the breaking points.  I agree with the posters who say that it is the teacher&#8217;s fault.  Students will always test the waters and if they are bored or know that they can get a rise out of the teacher that&#8217;s what they will do. </p>
<p>I hope that the lessons learned (especially for the new teachers in this crowd) are to have good lessons and engage your students to avoid these types of scenarios.  If the students see that you care about the students and the subject matter you will have no problems like these in the classroom&#8230;ever.</p>
<p>For thsoe people saying its the students fault, I have to disagree.  The teacher sets the atmosphere in the class not the students.  (Sorry to get back on the classroom management discussion again)</p>
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		By: Joanne Robert		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 00:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan, I like the freshness of your blog. I&#039;m curious about your thoughts on 2 Million Minutes:  http://www.2mminutes.com/

Comments on Litmus:  I watched the videos and won&#039;t judge because I don&#039;t have all the facts. For example, were any staged or were any of the adults substitutes? Were any of the teachers &quot;set up?&quot; What about administrative support and collaboration? 

Classroom management begins with direct instruction of expectations and need not include contrived color charts, classroom rules, or reward systems. Teaching and using the basic &quot;ate&quot; life skill words  (Cooperate, Communicate, Negotiate, Mediate) apply to any situation or age group and when practiced could save students and teachers a lot of money in therapy. Of course, teachers must be comfortable enough in their own skin to also &quot;ate.&quot;

I have mediated student/teacher relationships but I have also been told by a teacher that she would not participate in any form of mediation- hmmm, think that might be part of the problem? Our profession, as in any, have the good and the bad.

What Great Teachers Do Differently:  http://www.eyeoneducation.com/prodinfo.asp?number=669-1

Glad I found your blog- almost done reading your archive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, I like the freshness of your blog. I&#8217;m curious about your thoughts on 2 Million Minutes:  <a href="http://www.2mminutes.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.2mminutes.com/</a></p>
<p>Comments on Litmus:  I watched the videos and won&#8217;t judge because I don&#8217;t have all the facts. For example, were any staged or were any of the adults substitutes? Were any of the teachers &#8220;set up?&#8221; What about administrative support and collaboration? </p>
<p>Classroom management begins with direct instruction of expectations and need not include contrived color charts, classroom rules, or reward systems. Teaching and using the basic &#8220;ate&#8221; life skill words  (Cooperate, Communicate, Negotiate, Mediate) apply to any situation or age group and when practiced could save students and teachers a lot of money in therapy. Of course, teachers must be comfortable enough in their own skin to also &#8220;ate.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have mediated student/teacher relationships but I have also been told by a teacher that she would not participate in any form of mediation- hmmm, think that might be part of the problem? Our profession, as in any, have the good and the bad.</p>
<p>What Great Teachers Do Differently:  <a href="http://www.eyeoneducation.com/prodinfo.asp?number=669-1" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.eyeoneducation.com/prodinfo.asp?number=669-1</a></p>
<p>Glad I found your blog- almost done reading your archive.</p>
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		By: Rick		</title>
		<link>/2008/litmus/#comment-69516</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 23:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well said, Dan.  That&#039;s why you&#039;ve got 700+ subscribers here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Dan.  That&#8217;s why you&#8217;ve got 700+ subscribers here.</p>
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		By: Jen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You know in that first video, the one girl at the end probably annoyed him to no end by pointing out that there was no teaching going on in that classroom.  Kids have always known that if they can get the teachers going, the teaching stops.  

My middle school music teacher used the &quot;I&#039;ll wait&quot; method.  After my mother requested it, I was allowed to go to the library to do &quot;independent&quot; work (aka worksheets), so at least I was spared 40 minutes of sitting around watching a teacher &quot;waiting&quot; for kids who had not intention of quieting down while he just sat there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know in that first video, the one girl at the end probably annoyed him to no end by pointing out that there was no teaching going on in that classroom.  Kids have always known that if they can get the teachers going, the teaching stops.  </p>
<p>My middle school music teacher used the &#8220;I&#8217;ll wait&#8221; method.  After my mother requested it, I was allowed to go to the library to do &#8220;independent&#8221; work (aka worksheets), so at least I was spared 40 minutes of sitting around watching a teacher &#8220;waiting&#8221; for kids who had not intention of quieting down while he just sat there.</p>
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		By: Benjamin Baxter		</title>
		<link>/2008/litmus/#comment-69483</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benjamin Baxter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 20:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Legislation has never really been good at making much of anything successful. Usually, it just aims at making something not disastorously unsuccessful.

If you can figure out a way to litigate or legislate education&#039;s way to great, great teachers, you&#039;d better start writing that acceptance speech for your Nobel Prize. 

http://awaitingtenure.wordpress.com/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legislation has never really been good at making much of anything successful. Usually, it just aims at making something not disastorously unsuccessful.</p>
<p>If you can figure out a way to litigate or legislate education&#8217;s way to great, great teachers, you&#8217;d better start writing that acceptance speech for your Nobel Prize. </p>
<p><a href="http://awaitingtenure.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://awaitingtenure.wordpress.com/</a></p>
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