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		By: Neal		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;it doesn’t matter whether it’s very generalizable.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Personally, I would prefer it not be. There&#039;s a reason I mentioned the case-study method, and that&#039;s because I think it&#039;s a great way to develop a thought process in fields that necessarily produce thousands of possible permutations in practice. JD&#039;s and MBA&#039;s will rarely, if ever, have a chance to trace a canned solution onto a real-world legal or business problem, but by learning how to think about business, or about law, they can still take on all comers with poise and precision.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>it doesn’t matter whether it’s very generalizable.</p></blockquote>
<p>Personally, I would prefer it not be. There&#8217;s a reason I mentioned the case-study method, and that&#8217;s because I think it&#8217;s a great way to develop a thought process in fields that necessarily produce thousands of possible permutations in practice. JD&#8217;s and MBA&#8217;s will rarely, if ever, have a chance to trace a canned solution onto a real-world legal or business problem, but by learning how to think about business, or about law, they can still take on all comers with poise and precision.</p>
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		By: Dina		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[H, 

Math IS that important. Holy crow. And when it takes off its bifocals, pocket protector and bow tie, it&#039;s gorgeous, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>H, </p>
<p>Math IS that important. Holy crow. And when it takes off its bifocals, pocket protector and bow tie, it&#8217;s gorgeous, too.</p>
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		By: H.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dina, thanks for making the math teaching sound that important :) So many kids have bad, bad feelings about the stuff, dating so many years back - sometimes you end up feeling almost guilty about administering it to them - so thanks. 

And Dan - big CM project of this or not, a few more notes about small things that work for your students (the detail about walking in the same direction as the student, taking the student out of the classroom for a conversation (what does the rest of the class do in the meanwhile?)) would be interesting, and it doesn&#039;t matter whether it&#039;s very generalizable.

With CM issues as with many others, once something is learned it seems so trivially obvious it feels uncomfortable to write about it - and that&#039;s even though it may have been learned only recently, even if there was confused floundering before. For example, I constantly need to remind myself that positivity is effective, and every time it works I feel surprised and a little silly, because it&#039;s so obvious it sounds trite in print, and I&#039;ve read and heard and even written it before, and yet I&#039;ll need to be reminded of it again soon, probably even tomorrow.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dina, thanks for making the math teaching sound that important :) So many kids have bad, bad feelings about the stuff, dating so many years back &#8211; sometimes you end up feeling almost guilty about administering it to them &#8211; so thanks. </p>
<p>And Dan &#8211; big CM project of this or not, a few more notes about small things that work for your students (the detail about walking in the same direction as the student, taking the student out of the classroom for a conversation (what does the rest of the class do in the meanwhile?)) would be interesting, and it doesn&#8217;t matter whether it&#8217;s very generalizable.</p>
<p>With CM issues as with many others, once something is learned it seems so trivially obvious it feels uncomfortable to write about it &#8211; and that&#8217;s even though it may have been learned only recently, even if there was confused floundering before. For example, I constantly need to remind myself that positivity is effective, and every time it works I feel surprised and a little silly, because it&#8217;s so obvious it sounds trite in print, and I&#8217;ve read and heard and even written it before, and yet I&#8217;ll need to be reminded of it again soon, probably even tomorrow.</p>
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		By: Dina		</title>
		<link>/2008/my-editor-needs-an-editor/#comment-68315</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amazon books on classroom management= 3,596. 
Amazon books on secondary math education= 210. 

And I apologize for not being clear: I&#039;m not suggesting at all that you should limit yourself to blogging. Nor that you couldn&#039;t contribute something cool to classroom management. 

All I&#039;m saying is that I don&#039;t know if a saturated market, limited returns, and a still somewhat green teacher managerially (forgive me. so am I), is an algorithm you want to spend your resources solving. 

But you&#039;re a frickin&#039; rock star in math, dude. We all know that. You should work where you shine. 

Beyond this, it occurs to me there&#039;s a fairly global perspective that needs to be considered as well. Math is what&#039;s going to make the O2 atmospheric bubbles work on Mars when global warming does us all in, not digital mentoring. I think there&#039;s a strong argument to be made that math needs to be rendered authentic, interesting and accessible, and teachers trained in how to do that, immediately-- dare I say urgently. 

I wish someone had done it for me when I was in school.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazon books on classroom management= 3,596.<br />
Amazon books on secondary math education= 210. </p>
<p>And I apologize for not being clear: I&#8217;m not suggesting at all that you should limit yourself to blogging. Nor that you couldn&#8217;t contribute something cool to classroom management. </p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is that I don&#8217;t know if a saturated market, limited returns, and a still somewhat green teacher managerially (forgive me. so am I), is an algorithm you want to spend your resources solving. </p>
<p>But you&#8217;re a frickin&#8217; rock star in math, dude. We all know that. You should work where you shine. </p>
<p>Beyond this, it occurs to me there&#8217;s a fairly global perspective that needs to be considered as well. Math is what&#8217;s going to make the O2 atmospheric bubbles work on Mars when global warming does us all in, not digital mentoring. I think there&#8217;s a strong argument to be made that math needs to be rendered authentic, interesting and accessible, and teachers trained in how to do that, immediately&#8211; dare I say urgently. </p>
<p>I wish someone had done it for me when I was in school.</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
		<link>/2008/my-editor-needs-an-editor/#comment-68266</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I&#039;ll take it, but I don&#039;t see how my influence on a) math education, b) classroom management education, or c) new teacher induction varies one to the next.  They&#039;re all limited by the blog medium, right?  No blog post compares to field experience + good reflection.

By your last &#039;graf, you&#039;re suggesting there are more people working the classroom management angle than math education?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;ll take it, but I don&#8217;t see how my influence on a) math education, b) classroom management education, or c) new teacher induction varies one to the next.  They&#8217;re all limited by the blog medium, right?  No blog post compares to field experience + good reflection.</p>
<p>By your last &#8216;graf, you&#8217;re suggesting there are more people working the classroom management angle than math education?</p>
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		By: Dina		</title>
		<link>/2008/my-editor-needs-an-editor/#comment-68174</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think this will work, Dan. 

I&#039;ve been following this series of posts with increasing skepticism, although I doubt neither your brilliance nor your good intent. 

Someone wrote the key point in their comment: management solutions depend utterly upon structures, expectations, and reactions that are *cumulative*-- that is, that build upon themselves sequentially in space and time. (I&#039;m sitting here feeling reverbs right now of crappy decisions I made three months ago. I could even tell you what moments those were.)  A one-time simulation cannot approach that reality at all. 

Now, you could certainly argue that *no* grad-school type management simulation, digital or not, can approach that cumulative reality, and that the Holodeck Approach is better by degrees, at least. I&#039;d have to agree. But then I&#039;d wonder about the efficacy of dedicating yourself to something which you can only improve by degrees by definition. 

And this is the main thing I am stuck on, actually-- something you so rightfully hammer home over and over in your posts: the appropriate, efficient, and effective allocation of your personal resources as a teacher.

There are hundreds of classroom management consultants, tinkering with hundreds of permutations of management. There&#039;s only one of you. I think your resources-- at least for now-- are better allocated towards helping us do what you, Dan Meyer, do best-- and *love* best: making *math content* come alive.  

Take it or leave it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this will work, Dan. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been following this series of posts with increasing skepticism, although I doubt neither your brilliance nor your good intent. </p>
<p>Someone wrote the key point in their comment: management solutions depend utterly upon structures, expectations, and reactions that are *cumulative*&#8211; that is, that build upon themselves sequentially in space and time. (I&#8217;m sitting here feeling reverbs right now of crappy decisions I made three months ago. I could even tell you what moments those were.)  A one-time simulation cannot approach that reality at all. </p>
<p>Now, you could certainly argue that *no* grad-school type management simulation, digital or not, can approach that cumulative reality, and that the Holodeck Approach is better by degrees, at least. I&#8217;d have to agree. But then I&#8217;d wonder about the efficacy of dedicating yourself to something which you can only improve by degrees by definition. </p>
<p>And this is the main thing I am stuck on, actually&#8211; something you so rightfully hammer home over and over in your posts: the appropriate, efficient, and effective allocation of your personal resources as a teacher.</p>
<p>There are hundreds of classroom management consultants, tinkering with hundreds of permutations of management. There&#8217;s only one of you. I think your resources&#8211; at least for now&#8211; are better allocated towards helping us do what you, Dan Meyer, do best&#8211; and *love* best: making *math content* come alive.  </p>
<p>Take it or leave it.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t been following this series of posts/comments very closely, but it sounds like the real solution is an old one: mentors and apprentices.  I&#039;ve wanted to see a three-year internship for teachers for a looong time.  Why should doctors have all the fun?!  ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t been following this series of posts/comments very closely, but it sounds like the real solution is an old one: mentors and apprentices.  I&#8217;ve wanted to see a three-year internship for teachers for a looong time.  Why should doctors have all the fun?!  ;)</p>
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		By: H.		</title>
		<link>/2008/my-editor-needs-an-editor/#comment-68067</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also, the problem with a written guide is that knowing with your head, while reflecting, what might be a good solution is one thing. What you can make your emotions,  your body do - especially in the short term - is quite another.

&quot;Learning&quot; means such different things. It means acquiring an insight, which takes seconds, and it means changing emotional responses, and shaping behaviors and habits, which take lots of time and are driven by quite different factors, and where the learning curve depends a lot on your personal history. It&#039;s almost strange that we even use one word for describing such different processes. I&#039;m just echoing age-old distinctions between knowing-that and knowing-how, or the concept/skill distinction, I guess, and my point (if there is any) is that more attention to the mechanics of acquiring the latter kind of &quot;knowledge&quot; is what I would need, and where a book does only so much.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, the problem with a written guide is that knowing with your head, while reflecting, what might be a good solution is one thing. What you can make your emotions,  your body do &#8211; especially in the short term &#8211; is quite another.</p>
<p>&#8220;Learning&#8221; means such different things. It means acquiring an insight, which takes seconds, and it means changing emotional responses, and shaping behaviors and habits, which take lots of time and are driven by quite different factors, and where the learning curve depends a lot on your personal history. It&#8217;s almost strange that we even use one word for describing such different processes. I&#8217;m just echoing age-old distinctions between knowing-that and knowing-how, or the concept/skill distinction, I guess, and my point (if there is any) is that more attention to the mechanics of acquiring the latter kind of &#8220;knowledge&#8221; is what I would need, and where a book does only so much.</p>
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		By: Mr. K		</title>
		<link>/2008/my-editor-needs-an-editor/#comment-67929</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 06:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the biggest problem with the idea of writing a classroom management guide is this: for most of the things that plague novice teachers, the solution is not how they react to that particular situation (which is the kind of answer they&#039;re looking for), but in what they do weeks or months in advance. Until you get them to do the right thing at the beginning of the year, all those other tricks will be spit in a hurricane.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the biggest problem with the idea of writing a classroom management guide is this: for most of the things that plague novice teachers, the solution is not how they react to that particular situation (which is the kind of answer they&#8217;re looking for), but in what they do weeks or months in advance. Until you get them to do the right thing at the beginning of the year, all those other tricks will be spit in a hurricane.</p>
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		By: Neal		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 05:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To be clear, I merely meant that it sounded like Dan was describing something similar to the case study model used in various graduate programs. I take it that most MEd programs don&#039;t use it?

It occurs to me I may have sounded a little uppity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be clear, I merely meant that it sounded like Dan was describing something similar to the case study model used in various graduate programs. I take it that most MEd programs don&#8217;t use it?</p>
<p>It occurs to me I may have sounded a little uppity.</p>
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