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		By: Elona Hartjes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Teaching a noble calling? I don&#039;t know. I guess I love teaching for selfish reasons- that&#039;s not very noble.  Teaching meets my needs, and I don&#039;t mean my need for a pay cheque and time off in the summer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teaching a noble calling? I don&#8217;t know. I guess I love teaching for selfish reasons- that&#8217;s not very noble.  Teaching meets my needs, and I don&#8217;t mean my need for a pay cheque and time off in the summer.</p>
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		By: Benjamin Baxter		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dina has a point, here. Most of the ones I&#039;ve seen are either sappy verse or insipid acrostic.

And yes, I did have to look up the word &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrostic&quot;&gt;acrostic&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dina has a point, here. Most of the ones I&#8217;ve seen are either sappy verse or insipid acrostic.</p>
<p>And yes, I did have to look up the word <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrostic">acrostic</a>.</p>
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		By: Dina		</title>
		<link>/2008/the-difference-between-them-and-us/#comment-86486</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, and by the way? The real issue here is not that teachers subsume their incompetence in writing odes to teaching, but that most odes about teaching, such as the one posted over at the Faculty Room, absolutely suck.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and by the way? The real issue here is not that teachers subsume their incompetence in writing odes to teaching, but that most odes about teaching, such as the one posted over at the Faculty Room, absolutely suck.</p>
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		By: Jake		</title>
		<link>/2008/the-difference-between-them-and-us/#comment-86477</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did I forget to mention that yours is the only teacher blog that I really hope to see updated when I open my news reader? You&#039;re my teacher-Kottke.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I forget to mention that yours is the only teacher blog that I really hope to see updated when I open my news reader? You&#8217;re my teacher-Kottke.</p>
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		By: Benjamin Baxter		</title>
		<link>/2008/the-difference-between-them-and-us/#comment-86466</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have it both ways. Well, I think I do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have it both ways. Well, I think I do.</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
		<link>/2008/the-difference-between-them-and-us/#comment-86319</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I deeply wish teachers weren&#039;t so dichotomous in their embrace of professional standards.  Seriously.  It&#039;d be much easier to work here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I deeply wish teachers weren&#8217;t so dichotomous in their embrace of professional standards.  Seriously.  It&#8217;d be much easier to work here.</p>
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		By: Dina		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I deeply appreciate the perpetuation of dichotomy. Seriously. It&#039;s much easier to remember.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I deeply appreciate the perpetuation of dichotomy. Seriously. It&#8217;s much easier to remember.</p>
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		By: Eric Hoefler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a counter-point to my own comment, I would add that my workplace &lt;em&gt;treats me like a professional&lt;/em&gt; and assumes my competence, so I&#039;m never tempted to take solace in the nobility of my work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a counter-point to my own comment, I would add that my workplace <em>treats me like a professional</em> and assumes my competence, so I&#8217;m never tempted to take solace in the nobility of my work.</p>
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		By: Jake		</title>
		<link>/2008/the-difference-between-them-and-us/#comment-86235</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am compelled to comment and say that the talk about teachers teaching because it&#039;s nobel does not ring true for me. At all.

I have been teaching for three years, and I left a very short engineering career to teach. People assume I entered teaching for all the sentimental reasons you&#039;ve been touching on. But that&#039;s not really the story. I did not become a teacher for the nobility of it, though I did want to do something meaningful with my working life. I probably could have found something meaningful to do as an engineer. Really, I think the challenge of teaching effectively and creatively is what drew me to teaching, and I know that is what will keep this job interesting and worthwhile for me.

My own education as a teacher never involved any of these feel-good ideas either. My mentor teachers were not sentimental about teaching. They didn&#039;t write poems. They never talked to me about nobility. The teachers and professors who lectured to me about education theory never talked about nobility. If anything, the message was, &quot;It is hard to be a good teacher. You need to know what you&#039;re doing, and you must always strive to get better. You have to be a professional.&quot;

My mom and my mother in-law are both elementary school teachers. Both love love love love love their students. They both read endlessly about teaching, mentor new teachers, and constantly strive to improve their own practice.

In the high school where I teach I am part of two departments -- science and math. I swear, these people don&#039;t have a sentimental bone in their bodies. The majority would scoff at poetry of any kind.

A bigger problem for me, at least in my school, is negativity toward students -- their behavior, their attitude, their clothes, their stupidity. Honestly, I&#039;d much rather work with someone who is a little sentimental about the job than someone who hates kids. Right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am compelled to comment and say that the talk about teachers teaching because it&#8217;s nobel does not ring true for me. At all.</p>
<p>I have been teaching for three years, and I left a very short engineering career to teach. People assume I entered teaching for all the sentimental reasons you&#8217;ve been touching on. But that&#8217;s not really the story. I did not become a teacher for the nobility of it, though I did want to do something meaningful with my working life. I probably could have found something meaningful to do as an engineer. Really, I think the challenge of teaching effectively and creatively is what drew me to teaching, and I know that is what will keep this job interesting and worthwhile for me.</p>
<p>My own education as a teacher never involved any of these feel-good ideas either. My mentor teachers were not sentimental about teaching. They didn&#8217;t write poems. They never talked to me about nobility. The teachers and professors who lectured to me about education theory never talked about nobility. If anything, the message was, &#8220;It is hard to be a good teacher. You need to know what you&#8217;re doing, and you must always strive to get better. You have to be a professional.&#8221;</p>
<p>My mom and my mother in-law are both elementary school teachers. Both love love love love love their students. They both read endlessly about teaching, mentor new teachers, and constantly strive to improve their own practice.</p>
<p>In the high school where I teach I am part of two departments &#8212; science and math. I swear, these people don&#8217;t have a sentimental bone in their bodies. The majority would scoff at poetry of any kind.</p>
<p>A bigger problem for me, at least in my school, is negativity toward students &#8212; their behavior, their attitude, their clothes, their stupidity. Honestly, I&#8217;d much rather work with someone who is a little sentimental about the job than someone who hates kids. Right?</p>
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