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		By: Kevin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Marc

I liked your page http://www.learningandteaching.info/teaching/what_works.htm
but the link to Hattie seems to be broken.
Try 
http://www.education.auckland.ac.nz/staff/j.hattie/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marc</p>
<p>I liked your page <a href="http://www.learningandteaching.info/teaching/what_works.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.learningandteaching.info/teaching/what_works.htm</a><br />
but the link to Hattie seems to be broken.<br />
Try<br />
<a href="http://www.education.auckland.ac.nz/staff/j.hattie/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.education.auckland.ac.nz/staff/j.hattie/</a></p>
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		By: Reduced Class Size: An Inefficiency in School Improvement : Edumorphology		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reduced Class Size: An Inefficiency in School Improvement : Edumorphology]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] k12 level.Â  Of particular energy was our conversation on class size.Â  My perspective, confirming Dan Meyer, is that class size is more or less besides the point and not worth pondering too much as a school [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] k12 level.Â  Of particular energy was our conversation on class size.Â  My perspective, confirming Dan Meyer, is that class size is more or less besides the point and not worth pondering too much as a school [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Gina Marie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gina Marie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ &lt;b&gt;Eric J&lt;/b&gt;: I don&#039;t think either is accurate. Some teachers feel compelled (pressured even) to use technology because it is being thrust upon them by the &quot;21st Century Teaching&quot; movement. I wouldn&#039;t call these teachers techie wonks that don&#039;t care about their students.

Others use projectors to deliver a breadth of notes they would otherwise have written on the chalkboard. And this is what you are referring to. And no, we should praise them for using technology to engage the students, because, well, they&#039;re not. 

But don&#039;t blame the LCD projector. 

The solution: You&#039;ve got to convince said teacher that this is not an effective way of delivering content. Just because technology is being used does not mean it is effective. Technology is not always the answer. I think the good teachers realize that. They use it when they know it&#039;ll be effective, omit it when it&#039;s not. 

And I guess you could argue that the &quot;21st Century Teaching&quot; movement should be training teachers when and how to use that technology, and when to say, &quot;Okay, it&#039;s not going to work here. You&#039;ll need a pen and some paper for this one.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ <b>Eric J</b>: I don&#8217;t think either is accurate. Some teachers feel compelled (pressured even) to use technology because it is being thrust upon them by the &#8220;21st Century Teaching&#8221; movement. I wouldn&#8217;t call these teachers techie wonks that don&#8217;t care about their students.</p>
<p>Others use projectors to deliver a breadth of notes they would otherwise have written on the chalkboard. And this is what you are referring to. And no, we should praise them for using technology to engage the students, because, well, they&#8217;re not. </p>
<p>But don&#8217;t blame the LCD projector. </p>
<p>The solution: You&#8217;ve got to convince said teacher that this is not an effective way of delivering content. Just because technology is being used does not mean it is effective. Technology is not always the answer. I think the good teachers realize that. They use it when they know it&#8217;ll be effective, omit it when it&#8217;s not. </p>
<p>And I guess you could argue that the &#8220;21st Century Teaching&#8221; movement should be training teachers when and how to use that technology, and when to say, &#8220;Okay, it&#8217;s not going to work here. You&#8217;ll need a pen and some paper for this one.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Sherri Heiberger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sherri Heiberger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting.  I&#039;m assuming all o the teachers you observe are Jr/Sr Hi?  Very different positions in the early grades.  We truly are training student not only to sit in their seats, but also to look at the person talking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  I&#8217;m assuming all o the teachers you observe are Jr/Sr Hi?  Very different positions in the early grades.  We truly are training student not only to sit in their seats, but also to look at the person talking.</p>
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		By: Marc Sheffner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc Sheffner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s another bone, Dan: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/12/15/081215fa_fact_gladwell?currentPage=all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Most likely to succeed&lt;/a&gt;, a New Yorker post by Malcolm Gladwell. The first part describes how a football scout tries to predict who will succeed in the pros, and then moves to teachers examining video tapes of teachers teaching.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another bone, Dan: <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/12/15/081215fa_fact_gladwell?currentPage=all" rel="nofollow">Most likely to succeed</a>, a New Yorker post by Malcolm Gladwell. The first part describes how a football scout tries to predict who will succeed in the pros, and then moves to teachers examining video tapes of teachers teaching.</p>
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		By: Marc Sheffner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc Sheffner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan, 
Thanks for uploading the observation form. You&#039;ve explained &quot;passports&quot;, but I&#039;m puzzled about the clock and the &quot;photo&quot; references. What do they refer to?

I know you have nothing better to do than reply to blue-moon visitors to your blog, however, I will throw you a bone: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.learningandteaching.info/teaching/what_works.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What works and what doesn&#039;t&lt;/a&gt; Quote: &quot;OK, so the majority of innovations and methods &quot;work&quot;, according to the meta-analysis (bearing in mind that unless substantial funding and contractual obligations to publish were involved, most researchers would not be inclined to publish negative findings).  But which work really well, and which have such a marginal effect that it is not worth the bother? That is the critical question. Here is the answer!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,<br />
Thanks for uploading the observation form. You&#8217;ve explained &#8220;passports&#8221;, but I&#8217;m puzzled about the clock and the &#8220;photo&#8221; references. What do they refer to?</p>
<p>I know you have nothing better to do than reply to blue-moon visitors to your blog, however, I will throw you a bone: <a href="http://www.learningandteaching.info/teaching/what_works.htm" rel="nofollow">What works and what doesn&#8217;t</a> Quote: &#8220;OK, so the majority of innovations and methods &#8220;work&#8221;, according to the meta-analysis (bearing in mind that unless substantial funding and contractual obligations to publish were involved, most researchers would not be inclined to publish negative findings).  But which work really well, and which have such a marginal effect that it is not worth the bother? That is the critical question. Here is the answer!</p>
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		By: EdTech Rants &#38; Raves &#187; Post Topic &#187; Student response pads&#8230;are they a joke?		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EdTech Rants &#38; Raves &#187; Post Topic &#187; Student response pads&#8230;are they a joke?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Dan Meyer,Â  DY/Dan,Â  made some interesting observations in his post entitled, &#8220;Why Class Size Reduction is a Joke.&#8221; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Dan Meyer,Â  DY/Dan,Â  made some interesting observations in his post entitled, &#8220;Why Class Size Reduction is a Joke.&#8221; [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan,

curious:  I&#039;ve been told by the blog police that one should &#039;praise locally and criticize globally&#039;.

how does your staff (presuming they read your blog) handle the stark difference between informing your own instruction versus identifying their &quot;limited mobility&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>curious:  I&#8217;ve been told by the blog police that one should &#8216;praise locally and criticize globally&#8217;.</p>
<p>how does your staff (presuming they read your blog) handle the stark difference between informing your own instruction versus identifying their &#8220;limited mobility&#8221;?</p>
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		By: timlauer.org &#187; dy/dan Â» Why Reduced Class Size Is A Joke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[timlauer.org &#187; dy/dan Â» Why Reduced Class Size Is A Joke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 01:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] dy/dan Â» Why Reduced Class Size Is A Joke  Shared by timlauer  Dan Meyer notes that reduced class size doesn&#8217;t matter much if you continue to teach 15 students in the same way you teach 100&#8230; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] dy/dan Â» Why Reduced Class Size Is A Joke  Shared by timlauer  Dan Meyer notes that reduced class size doesn&#8217;t matter much if you continue to teach 15 students in the same way you teach 100&#8230; [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Eric J.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 01:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[LCD Projectors are a JOKE!

I see a lot of teachers use LCD projectors as just another way to display a bunch of notes and/or vocabulary  &quot;UP&quot; on the board.  The projector actually acts as an extra barrier between the students and the lesson.  The lesson&#039;s &quot;UP&quot; there on the screen, the teacher&#039;s hidden behind a computer, and the students are copying &quot;what&#039;s UP there&quot; &quot;DOWN&quot; in their little little spiral notebooks.

Should I deduct that LCD projectors are a joke and the teachers that use them to be techie &quot;wonks&quot; who don&#039;t really care about their students?

Or, should I look to those teachers who utilize LCD projectors to enrich their lessons and further engage students?

I think the former deduction makes for a much more interesting blog, but...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LCD Projectors are a JOKE!</p>
<p>I see a lot of teachers use LCD projectors as just another way to display a bunch of notes and/or vocabulary  &#8220;UP&#8221; on the board.  The projector actually acts as an extra barrier between the students and the lesson.  The lesson&#8217;s &#8220;UP&#8221; there on the screen, the teacher&#8217;s hidden behind a computer, and the students are copying &#8220;what&#8217;s UP there&#8221; &#8220;DOWN&#8221; in their little little spiral notebooks.</p>
<p>Should I deduct that LCD projectors are a joke and the teachers that use them to be techie &#8220;wonks&#8221; who don&#8217;t really care about their students?</p>
<p>Or, should I look to those teachers who utilize LCD projectors to enrich their lessons and further engage students?</p>
<p>I think the former deduction makes for a much more interesting blog, but&#8230;</p>
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