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		By: Humanities and the DY/DAN Method &#124; EricHoefler.com		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Humanities and the DY/DAN Method &#124; EricHoefler.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Meyer has a famously-interesting perspective on grading and homework. In a recent post, he offers a scenario of a student (Aaron) who has only attended 20% of the classes but whose grade [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Meyer has a famously-interesting perspective on grading and homework. In a recent post, he offers a scenario of a student (Aaron) who has only attended 20% of the classes but whose grade [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
		<link>/2008/you-see-the-problem-right/#comment-100094</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 14:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, it&#039;s like that.  Teachers oughtta ask and re-ask, what is the goal of my class, and are my grades an accurate reflection of that goal?

Me? Perfect attendance, classwork completion, homework completion, these aren&#039;t my goals.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s like that.  Teachers oughtta ask and re-ask, what is the goal of my class, and are my grades an accurate reflection of that goal?</p>
<p>Me? Perfect attendance, classwork completion, homework completion, these aren&#8217;t my goals.</p>
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		By: Rory		</title>
		<link>/2008/you-see-the-problem-right/#comment-99828</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 03:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rory = Aaron

at least in High School

Ask yourself this... if you suddenly found yourself back in middle school, would you attend everyday if you knew you could get away with not attending.  Would you want to?

My issue in school was always homework.  I didn&#039;t see the point in doing it if I knew the material.  What is the goal of your class?

A. master material

B. master material, spend 4 hours a week doing math at home

C. master material, spend 4 hours a week doing math, spend 5 hours a week sitting in chair

Bottom line: give him the C+]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rory = Aaron</p>
<p>at least in High School</p>
<p>Ask yourself this&#8230; if you suddenly found yourself back in middle school, would you attend everyday if you knew you could get away with not attending.  Would you want to?</p>
<p>My issue in school was always homework.  I didn&#8217;t see the point in doing it if I knew the material.  What is the goal of your class?</p>
<p>A. master material</p>
<p>B. master material, spend 4 hours a week doing math at home</p>
<p>C. master material, spend 4 hours a week doing math, spend 5 hours a week sitting in chair</p>
<p>Bottom line: give him the C+</p>
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		By: Doug Belshaw		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 06:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fair enough - as I said, I don&#039;t fully understand the situation, so thanks for clarifying it. In the UK &#039;performance-related pay&#039; has been mooted several times. It would mean even &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt; teaching to the (far too numerous) tests would take place... :-(]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough &#8211; as I said, I don&#8217;t fully understand the situation, so thanks for clarifying it. In the UK &#8216;performance-related pay&#8217; has been mooted several times. It would mean even <em>more</em> teaching to the (far too numerous) tests would take place&#8230; :-(</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
		<link>/2008/you-see-the-problem-right/#comment-99225</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 23:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@&lt;strong&gt;Dawn&lt;/strong&gt;, absolutely correct.

@&lt;strong&gt;Doug&lt;/strong&gt;, generally speaking, teachers in the States aren&#039;t rewarded for test scores, much less tests which aren&#039;t normed against anything greater than one&#039;s own class, which doesn&#039;t give me a lot of incentive to inflate my students&#039; grades.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<strong>Dawn</strong>, absolutely correct.</p>
<p>@<strong>Doug</strong>, generally speaking, teachers in the States aren&#8217;t rewarded for test scores, much less tests which aren&#8217;t normed against anything greater than one&#8217;s own class, which doesn&#8217;t give me a lot of incentive to inflate my students&#8217; grades.</p>
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		By: Dawn		</title>
		<link>/2008/you-see-the-problem-right/#comment-99220</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 23:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I never buy the idea that school prepares kids for the workforce - worked with too many high school grads. That idea seems more a justification for certain schooly things, like attendence, then an honest explanation or sound reasoning. 

My guess is that Aaron doesn&#039;t show up to school because it doesn&#039;t have meaning for him. When he gets a job it likely will have meaningly, if only because of the need for a paycheck, and he&#039;ll show up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never buy the idea that school prepares kids for the workforce &#8211; worked with too many high school grads. That idea seems more a justification for certain schooly things, like attendence, then an honest explanation or sound reasoning. </p>
<p>My guess is that Aaron doesn&#8217;t show up to school because it doesn&#8217;t have meaning for him. When he gets a job it likely will have meaningly, if only because of the need for a paycheck, and he&#8217;ll show up.</p>
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		By: Doug Belshaw		</title>
		<link>/2008/you-see-the-problem-right/#comment-99137</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Belshaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not exactly totally up-to-speed with the American education system. In fact, most of what I know is gleaned from throwaway comments on blogs and school scenes in films.

Anyway... this type of teacher assessment seems crazy to me. Teachers &lt;em&gt;obviously&lt;/em&gt; want to appear successful and therefore are likely to &#039;upgrade&#039; marks and grades. At least over here it&#039;s only coursework that&#039;s affected. And even that&#039;s changing next year!

We still have problems in the UK, however. Mostly it&#039;s the other way round - kids being &#039;hothoused&#039; when they&#039;re in primary schools which gives them artificially and almost impossible-to-attain targets for GCSE examinations.

It&#039;s a mad old world and schools don&#039;t make it any less so... :-o]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not exactly totally up-to-speed with the American education system. In fact, most of what I know is gleaned from throwaway comments on blogs and school scenes in films.</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230; this type of teacher assessment seems crazy to me. Teachers <em>obviously</em> want to appear successful and therefore are likely to &#8216;upgrade&#8217; marks and grades. At least over here it&#8217;s only coursework that&#8217;s affected. And even that&#8217;s changing next year!</p>
<p>We still have problems in the UK, however. Mostly it&#8217;s the other way round &#8211; kids being &#8216;hothoused&#8217; when they&#8217;re in primary schools which gives them artificially and almost impossible-to-attain targets for GCSE examinations.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a mad old world and schools don&#8217;t make it any less so&#8230; :-o</p>
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		By: Sarah		</title>
		<link>/2008/you-see-the-problem-right/#comment-98807</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 01:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bah. School computer eats my comments but the when I try them at home Wordpress won&#039;t take the duplicate. Here&#039;s my $0.02. 

I totally recognize the situation. My school recognized those with high attendance at our awards ceremony two days ago. Students were honored for 90% attendance. You miss one day every two weeks and we praise it? It makes me wonder how so many of our students do pass from one year to the next.

Have to say I&#039;m happy with my 60% mastery and 40% other work* breakdown this year. Since I&#039;m not pure mastery, Aaron would probably be failing in my classroom. I&#039;d give him the extra credit assignments** I have and he&#039;d be set to pass. He still wouldn&#039;t have the stellar grade, but it doesn&#039;t sound like he&#039;s got the material down cold yet either.


*Warm-ups, cool-downs, homework if I give it...

**Extra word problems a la warm-ups and concept posters. The posters are my new favorite thing. Give the students a method of studying. I leave them up  so you can use them as memory prompts during quizzes. It goes back to the can you apply the information task instead of the can you just remember the information.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah. School computer eats my comments but the when I try them at home WordPress won&#8217;t take the duplicate. Here&#8217;s my $0.02. </p>
<p>I totally recognize the situation. My school recognized those with high attendance at our awards ceremony two days ago. Students were honored for 90% attendance. You miss one day every two weeks and we praise it? It makes me wonder how so many of our students do pass from one year to the next.</p>
<p>Have to say I&#8217;m happy with my 60% mastery and 40% other work* breakdown this year. Since I&#8217;m not pure mastery, Aaron would probably be failing in my classroom. I&#8217;d give him the extra credit assignments** I have and he&#8217;d be set to pass. He still wouldn&#8217;t have the stellar grade, but it doesn&#8217;t sound like he&#8217;s got the material down cold yet either.</p>
<p>*Warm-ups, cool-downs, homework if I give it&#8230;</p>
<p>**Extra word problems a la warm-ups and concept posters. The posters are my new favorite thing. Give the students a method of studying. I leave them up  so you can use them as memory prompts during quizzes. It goes back to the can you apply the information task instead of the can you just remember the information.</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
		<link>/2008/you-see-the-problem-right/#comment-98611</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 16:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Somehow I had created this vision of an entire department assessing students based upon mastery of mathematical concepts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nope.  That was the last school.  This one has made some impressive strides in two years, though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Somehow I had created this vision of an entire department assessing students based upon mastery of mathematical concepts.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nope.  That was the last school.  This one has made some impressive strides in two years, though.</p>
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		By: JackieB		</title>
		<link>/2008/you-see-the-problem-right/#comment-98502</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JackieB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 14:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Huh. Somehow I had created this vision of an entire department assessing students based upon mastery of mathematical concepts. In reality, you&#039;re the maverick. I should have know this. :) 

There has to be a better was of doing this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh. Somehow I had created this vision of an entire department assessing students based upon mastery of mathematical concepts. In reality, you&#8217;re the maverick. I should have know this. :) </p>
<p>There has to be a better was of doing this.</p>
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