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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the point of this exercise was &quot;one correct shot,&quot; I&#039;d agree. But the point is an examination of composition and balance and how easily they change. &quot;Obsessing&quot; over details like this is one way students learn.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the point of this exercise was &#8220;one correct shot,&#8221; I&#8217;d agree. But the point is an examination of composition and balance and how easily they change. &#8220;Obsessing&#8221; over details like this is one way students learn.</p>
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		By: Ed Lewis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Attacking the problem this way is interesting, but I feel like you&#039;re doing yourself a disservice. Instead of freeing yourself to create a wide variety of images with different angles and f-stops and shutter speeds, you&#039;re obsessing about one second of time in order to get one shot correct.

In other words, this is a very inefficient use of your time. You are spending just as much time shooting one second of footage and breaking it down into separate images and obsessing over them as you would if you shot 20 different images or more.

As for taking photos from video, it has happened with Esquire where the cover shot is a still from video footage.
http://www.esquire.com/the-side/video/megan-fox-images-0609

The difference is that the photographer already has the shoot planned out and knows what he&#039;s looking for. He&#039;s already at a good spot to drill down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attacking the problem this way is interesting, but I feel like you&#8217;re doing yourself a disservice. Instead of freeing yourself to create a wide variety of images with different angles and f-stops and shutter speeds, you&#8217;re obsessing about one second of time in order to get one shot correct.</p>
<p>In other words, this is a very inefficient use of your time. You are spending just as much time shooting one second of footage and breaking it down into separate images and obsessing over them as you would if you shot 20 different images or more.</p>
<p>As for taking photos from video, it has happened with Esquire where the cover shot is a still from video footage.<br />
<a href="http://www.esquire.com/the-side/video/megan-fox-images-0609" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.esquire.com/the-side/video/megan-fox-images-0609</a></p>
<p>The difference is that the photographer already has the shoot planned out and knows what he&#8217;s looking for. He&#8217;s already at a good spot to drill down.</p>
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		By: Jason Dyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Dyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Blerk, I used &quot;in this case&quot; three times. Why does this happen? It&#039;s like my writing is OCD.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blerk, I used &#8220;in this case&#8221; three times. Why does this happen? It&#8217;s like my writing is OCD.</p>
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		By: Michael K.		</title>
		<link>/2009/a-second-note-on-modern-photography/#comment-247448</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael K.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Could&#039;ve phrased that so much better, Riddler. I win.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could&#8217;ve phrased that so much better, Riddler. I win.</p>
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		By: Jason Dyer		</title>
		<link>/2009/a-second-note-on-modern-photography/#comment-247400</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Dyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: the gorilla photos.

I don&#039;t think the gorilla is the subject in any of them. The issue here is the old art trick of the eye following a pointing hand (and in this case also the person&#039;s gaze).

In this case I believe the first picture looks the most balanced in terms of where the eye lands, whereas the later ones lead the viewer off the left edge of the frame. (In this case it may be a good thing; is the picture meant to be a &quot;gorilla surprise&quot; like that basketball experiment?)

If the person on the left side of the image was simply flipped likely in at least one of the examples the gorilla would become the subject.

Returning to the &quot;does it matter if we don&#039;t understand aesthetics&quot; question, this photo set is like how a magician distracts an audience with their hands without them even realizing it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the gorilla photos.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the gorilla is the subject in any of them. The issue here is the old art trick of the eye following a pointing hand (and in this case also the person&#8217;s gaze).</p>
<p>In this case I believe the first picture looks the most balanced in terms of where the eye lands, whereas the later ones lead the viewer off the left edge of the frame. (In this case it may be a good thing; is the picture meant to be a &#8220;gorilla surprise&#8221; like that basketball experiment?)</p>
<p>If the person on the left side of the image was simply flipped likely in at least one of the examples the gorilla would become the subject.</p>
<p>Returning to the &#8220;does it matter if we don&#8217;t understand aesthetics&#8221; question, this photo set is like how a magician distracts an audience with their hands without them even realizing it.</p>
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		By: Jason Dyer		</title>
		<link>/2009/a-second-note-on-modern-photography/#comment-247315</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Dyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Am I affected by aesthetics whether I understand them or not?&lt;/em&gt;

Yes. Although it gets to a level that might be called something other than aesthetics.

Very few enthusiasts of action movies would likely be able to give detail on the shot-by-shot, yet the clarity of action (and hence intensity, hence enjoyment) is affected by the &quot;aesthetics&quot;.

The reason I shy away from using the word when referring to unconscious effect is it more along the lines of &quot;ease of understanding the intuitive constructive space&quot;.

(One can artistically deconstruct that ease -- see jump cuts -- but then one should want to break up the intuitive constructive space in an intentional way, not a random way.)

In the case of the above, I believe asking about the composition is the wrong question; it seems relatively similar to me across the shots. The poses of the people strike me as the better point of focus. Take the first picture: it is unclear the person in the background is walking forward, it looks like maybe he&#039;s just leaning. Whereas the picture right below that signals the action with great clarity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Am I affected by aesthetics whether I understand them or not?</em></p>
<p>Yes. Although it gets to a level that might be called something other than aesthetics.</p>
<p>Very few enthusiasts of action movies would likely be able to give detail on the shot-by-shot, yet the clarity of action (and hence intensity, hence enjoyment) is affected by the &#8220;aesthetics&#8221;.</p>
<p>The reason I shy away from using the word when referring to unconscious effect is it more along the lines of &#8220;ease of understanding the intuitive constructive space&#8221;.</p>
<p>(One can artistically deconstruct that ease &#8212; see jump cuts &#8212; but then one should want to break up the intuitive constructive space in an intentional way, not a random way.)</p>
<p>In the case of the above, I believe asking about the composition is the wrong question; it seems relatively similar to me across the shots. The poses of the people strike me as the better point of focus. Take the first picture: it is unclear the person in the background is walking forward, it looks like maybe he&#8217;s just leaning. Whereas the picture right below that signals the action with great clarity.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
		<link>/2009/a-second-note-on-modern-photography/#comment-247312</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 02:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like deconstruction. That&#039;s the connection, I suppose, between this and that. I like stripping photos (and my teaching) down to its component bits and commenting on the pieces even though I sometimes lose the forest for the trees. That&#039;s all this is, asking the question &quot;which frame is better balanced?&quot; even though all of the frames look more or less the same. That&#039;s my aesthetic, I guess. This detail-orientation isn&#039;t essential to good teaching but it has certainly helped mine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like deconstruction. That&#8217;s the connection, I suppose, between this and that. I like stripping photos (and my teaching) down to its component bits and commenting on the pieces even though I sometimes lose the forest for the trees. That&#8217;s all this is, asking the question &#8220;which frame is better balanced?&#8221; even though all of the frames look more or less the same. That&#8217;s my aesthetic, I guess. This detail-orientation isn&#8217;t essential to good teaching but it has certainly helped mine.</p>
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		By: David Cox		</title>
		<link>/2009/a-second-note-on-modern-photography/#comment-247239</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re absolutely right. I would never drop into a conversation about photography or anything I&#039;m not well versed in and offer critiques. Â The only reason that I&#039;m even asking the question is because there&#039;s an obvious connection between your aesthetic and your teaching. Â I can&#039;t figure it out and it kills me. Â I know you see things that I don&#039;t see and I wonder if that fact is keeping me from being the teacher I am meant to be. Â 

So, if there is no connect between your passion for photography and your pedagogy, then I sincerely apologize for sticking my nose someplace it doesn&#039;t belong. But the fact that you post this on dy/dan tells me that somehow you&#039;re connecting this to all of your other posts re: aesthetic and design and how they shape you as a teacher.

If I didn&#039;t read this with enough of a critical eye, then I suppose I&#039;ll stick to commenting on the stuff that is explicitly related to teaching. Â Mea culpa. Â  Â ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right. I would never drop into a conversation about photography or anything I&#8217;m not well versed in and offer critiques. Â The only reason that I&#8217;m even asking the question is because there&#8217;s an obvious connection between your aesthetic and your teaching. Â I can&#8217;t figure it out and it kills me. Â I know you see things that I don&#8217;t see and I wonder if that fact is keeping me from being the teacher I am meant to be. Â </p>
<p>So, if there is no connect between your passion for photography and your pedagogy, then I sincerely apologize for sticking my nose someplace it doesn&#8217;t belong. But the fact that you post this on dy/dan tells me that somehow you&#8217;re connecting this to all of your other posts re: aesthetic and design and how they shape you as a teacher.</p>
<p>If I didn&#8217;t read this with enough of a critical eye, then I suppose I&#8217;ll stick to commenting on the stuff that is explicitly related to teaching. Â Mea culpa. Â  Â </p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I couldn&#039;t tell you the difference between a poor knitting stitch and a good one. I don&#039;t have much desire to learn the difference either and I suppose that&#039;s okay. Everyone doesn&#039;t have to know everything. But I wouldn&#039;t then teach a class on knitting and I wouldn&#039;t offer up a critique on someone else&#039;s knitting. Those seem like humble boundaries to me. And I guess I&#039;m not sure why I&#039;d stop by a knitting forum to say, &quot;Only a small percentage of you know the difference between these stitches. Why bother talking about them?&quot; I can&#039;t really figure that argument out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t tell you the difference between a poor knitting stitch and a good one. I don&#8217;t have much desire to learn the difference either and I suppose that&#8217;s okay. Everyone doesn&#8217;t have to know everything. But I wouldn&#8217;t then teach a class on knitting and I wouldn&#8217;t offer up a critique on someone else&#8217;s knitting. Those seem like humble boundaries to me. And I guess I&#8217;m not sure why I&#8217;d stop by a knitting forum to say, &#8220;Only a small percentage of you know the difference between these stitches. Why bother talking about them?&#8221; I can&#8217;t really figure that argument out.</p>
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		By: David Cox		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Forces are objective and they affect us whether we understand them or not. No?

Am I affected by aesthetics whether I understand them or not?  If &quot;never&quot; is a possible answer to the question on composition or subject, then isn&#039;t  the question is entirely subjective.  I&#039;m all for kicking around subjective questions; in fact I think the &quot;why&quot; is way more important than the &quot;what.&quot;  

If I am affected by this without knowing it, then you&#039;re right and I am asking the wrong questions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forces are objective and they affect us whether we understand them or not. No?</p>
<p>Am I affected by aesthetics whether I understand them or not?  If &#8220;never&#8221; is a possible answer to the question on composition or subject, then isn&#8217;t  the question is entirely subjective.  I&#8217;m all for kicking around subjective questions; in fact I think the &#8220;why&#8221; is way more important than the &#8220;what.&#8221;  </p>
<p>If I am affected by this without knowing it, then you&#8217;re right and I am asking the wrong questions.</p>
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