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	Comments on: Jason Dyer&#8217;s Redesign Of My Redesign Of Darren Kuropatwa&#8217;s Design	</title>
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		By: Tom Hoffman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Hoffman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At Sylvia,

You &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt;.  I just think that if you&#039;re getting informed feedback, it is quickly going to spiral back down to &quot;What are you &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; trying to do with this unit?&quot;  &quot;Why are you teaching statistics?&quot; etc.  

This is not to say that the project is impossible, but there has to be a clear point of view, and you have to be able to say to a contributor, &quot;That&#039;s an interesting way to take this, but we&#039;re trying to do something else.  Perhaps you&#039;d like to start your own project to explore your ideas.  If you need any advice getting started, let us know!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At Sylvia,</p>
<p>You <i>could</i>.  I just think that if you&#8217;re getting informed feedback, it is quickly going to spiral back down to &#8220;What are you <i>really</i> trying to do with this unit?&#8221;  &#8220;Why are you teaching statistics?&#8221; etc.  </p>
<p>This is not to say that the project is impossible, but there has to be a clear point of view, and you have to be able to say to a contributor, &#8220;That&#8217;s an interesting way to take this, but we&#8217;re trying to do something else.  Perhaps you&#8217;d like to start your own project to explore your ideas.  If you need any advice getting started, let us know!&#8221;</p>
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		By: sylvia martinez		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sylvia martinez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Tom Couldn&#039;t you simply have a site set up like a help forum, where people come to have their lessons critiqued? I don&#039;t think Dan was thinking of a curriki-like lesson plan depository. Maybe I shouldn&#039;t speak for him...

On the other hand, Dy/Dan could become Bourbaki 2.0.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom Couldn&#8217;t you simply have a site set up like a help forum, where people come to have their lessons critiqued? I don&#8217;t think Dan was thinking of a curriki-like lesson plan depository. Maybe I shouldn&#8217;t speak for him&#8230;</p>
<p>On the other hand, Dy/Dan could become Bourbaki 2.0.</p>
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		By: Tom Hoffman		</title>
		<link>/2009/jason-dyers-redesign-of-my-redesign-of-darren-kuropatwas-design/#comment-219728</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Hoffman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One problem with scaling this up is that you can&#039;t do it lesson by lesson -- you have to start with &quot;What is math?&quot; and work your way down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One problem with scaling this up is that you can&#8217;t do it lesson by lesson &#8212; you have to start with &#8220;What is math?&#8221; and work your way down.</p>
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		By: Dan Stucke		</title>
		<link>/2009/jason-dyers-redesign-of-my-redesign-of-darren-kuropatwas-design/#comment-219722</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Stucke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan/Jason/Darren, moving away from the mathematical content, I&#039;m really impressed with the process of review that evolved here.

Dan, you&#039;ve been intimating that this is what you&#039;d like to see more of in the edutechyblogosphere, rather than look at my *insert hip web2.0 thingy here*.  

How could we encourage it?

Is bouncing from blog to blog a good enough method (it could be), or do we need a more central place for this to happen?

Dan]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan/Jason/Darren, moving away from the mathematical content, I&#8217;m really impressed with the process of review that evolved here.</p>
<p>Dan, you&#8217;ve been intimating that this is what you&#8217;d like to see more of in the edutechyblogosphere, rather than look at my *insert hip web2.0 thingy here*.  </p>
<p>How could we encourage it?</p>
<p>Is bouncing from blog to blog a good enough method (it could be), or do we need a more central place for this to happen?</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What if students were presented with a map of a new place of living and work in a city that they no nothing about.  Assume that there are no freeways to conveniently merge onto.  

Would the main street(s) be better to take or would side streets be better to take?  

What if you don&#039;t have the average travel time for five days?

What if it was left out until students asked for it?

What if all you had was a paper map?

What if you had to go one route to work and a different route to home?

What if you had to make errands to and from work?

What about travel time to go to lunch during your hour lunch?

What if . . .

What if not . . .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if students were presented with a map of a new place of living and work in a city that they no nothing about.  Assume that there are no freeways to conveniently merge onto.  </p>
<p>Would the main street(s) be better to take or would side streets be better to take?  </p>
<p>What if you don&#8217;t have the average travel time for five days?</p>
<p>What if it was left out until students asked for it?</p>
<p>What if all you had was a paper map?</p>
<p>What if you had to go one route to work and a different route to home?</p>
<p>What if you had to make errands to and from work?</p>
<p>What about travel time to go to lunch during your hour lunch?</p>
<p>What if . . .</p>
<p>What if not . . .</p>
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		By: Why I follow blogs over other media &#124; Success?		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why I follow blogs over other media &#124; Success?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] is a learner to do now?&#160; Anyway, Dan posts a follow up to the entire conversation here, allowing anyone&#160; to follow the entire course of the thinking in one [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] is a learner to do now?&nbsp; Anyway, Dan posts a follow up to the entire conversation here, allowing anyone&nbsp; to follow the entire course of the thinking in one [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: sylvia martinez		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sylvia martinez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you did have students talk about this, it seems that the notion of &quot;tolerance&quot; (in an engineering sense) would naturally come up. How much tolerance does the system have for failure and what conditions could you invent that change the answer. A nicer neighborhood to drive through or your favorite donut shop, perhaps, but also if you work a job where you get fired for being late vs. a cushy job where if you get there a few minutes late it doesn&#039;t matter. Tolerance is how much the punishment for error hurts.

Because if there is no tolerance for being late, there is no reason to do any of the math. If one route has the potential to take 45 minutes, you would always have to leave 45 minutes and sit out your extra time in the parking lot. So your time spent commuting is always the highest number. Who cares what the mean or range is?

You&#039;ve chosen a known situation, but a fairly risk free one.

You could imagine that the raw numbers could be a measure of how close you came to a perfect landing in a helicopter, for example. If &quot;30&quot; is a perfect landing, with every &quot;5&quot; measures of error meaning some additional injury. In that case, looking at the mean is not just an inconvenience, it could be deadly. In a riskier scenario, the ideas of margin of error and accuracy come in nicely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you did have students talk about this, it seems that the notion of &#8220;tolerance&#8221; (in an engineering sense) would naturally come up. How much tolerance does the system have for failure and what conditions could you invent that change the answer. A nicer neighborhood to drive through or your favorite donut shop, perhaps, but also if you work a job where you get fired for being late vs. a cushy job where if you get there a few minutes late it doesn&#8217;t matter. Tolerance is how much the punishment for error hurts.</p>
<p>Because if there is no tolerance for being late, there is no reason to do any of the math. If one route has the potential to take 45 minutes, you would always have to leave 45 minutes and sit out your extra time in the parking lot. So your time spent commuting is always the highest number. Who cares what the mean or range is?</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve chosen a known situation, but a fairly risk free one.</p>
<p>You could imagine that the raw numbers could be a measure of how close you came to a perfect landing in a helicopter, for example. If &#8220;30&#8221; is a perfect landing, with every &#8220;5&#8221; measures of error meaning some additional injury. In that case, looking at the mean is not just an inconvenience, it could be deadly. In a riskier scenario, the ideas of margin of error and accuracy come in nicely.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@&lt;strong&gt;Tom&lt;/strong&gt;, Hm. I guess it wasn&#039;t sufficiently clear that this is a workday commute. The situation, along with the mean and the range, is held constant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<strong>Tom</strong>, Hm. I guess it wasn&#8217;t sufficiently clear that this is a workday commute. The situation, along with the mean and the range, is held constant.</p>
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		By: Jason Dyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Dyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I originally tried to be all smooth and make the new slide look like a natural extension of the old one, but I couldn&#039;t even figure out which font was in the original.

And I wouldn&#039;t skip teaching statistical range altogether. Mostly I was just grumping, because the of the holy quadfecta of standardized test statistical terms (mean, median, mode, range) one of them I have never seen in the wild, ever (mode) and another shows up far less often than other things the students could be learning instead (plus or minus error, for example).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I originally tried to be all smooth and make the new slide look like a natural extension of the old one, but I couldn&#8217;t even figure out which font was in the original.</p>
<p>And I wouldn&#8217;t skip teaching statistical range altogether. Mostly I was just grumping, because the of the holy quadfecta of standardized test statistical terms (mean, median, mode, range) one of them I have never seen in the wild, ever (mode) and another shows up far less often than other things the students could be learning instead (plus or minus error, for example).</p>
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		By: Tom Hoffman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Hoffman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My objection is that which route I will take will depend on the situation.  Do I have a date across town in 20 minutes?  Maybe I take a chance on getting there in 15 taking the short cut.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My objection is that which route I will take will depend on the situation.  Do I have a date across town in 20 minutes?  Maybe I take a chance on getting there in 15 taking the short cut.</p>
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