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		By: Kate Nowak		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate Nowak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oof. Now I have a major dork crush on these guys. Thanks ALOT. No need to sign up for OKCupid, I&#039;ll be busy stalking Chris or the other guy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oof. Now I have a major dork crush on these guys. Thanks ALOT. No need to sign up for OKCupid, I&#8217;ll be busy stalking Chris or the other guy.</p>
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		By: Simon Oldaker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Oldaker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just when I think it’s safe to stop reading this blog (or Tom’s) something like this happens…

The idea that different forms of language are appropriate (or effective) in different situations is probably pretty clear to most of the people reading this, but the Okcupid archives (what a fantastic source — can’t wait to use this in class. Thanks, Dan) and the conversation that provoked Tom’s post point to the fact that some people aren’t there yet. This includes my pupils, and I have come to consider raising awareness about different registers of language as a major part of my job.  We’re seeing an increase in people’s job applications being rejected for poor spelling or inappropriate language, for instance. The increase in reading and writing that modern technology has produced lately may have opened a few pitfalls that we have to prepare our pupils for differently than schools have done earlier.

(This is more complicated than just a range of registers, I know. I myself, for instance, might write ‘color’ in a text message, but would never have written it here without scare quotes. I just can’t bring myself to do it. Tom, I’m guessing you always write it that way.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just when I think it’s safe to stop reading this blog (or Tom’s) something like this happens…</p>
<p>The idea that different forms of language are appropriate (or effective) in different situations is probably pretty clear to most of the people reading this, but the Okcupid archives (what a fantastic source — can’t wait to use this in class. Thanks, Dan) and the conversation that provoked Tom’s post point to the fact that some people aren’t there yet. This includes my pupils, and I have come to consider raising awareness about different registers of language as a major part of my job.  We’re seeing an increase in people’s job applications being rejected for poor spelling or inappropriate language, for instance. The increase in reading and writing that modern technology has produced lately may have opened a few pitfalls that we have to prepare our pupils for differently than schools have done earlier.</p>
<p>(This is more complicated than just a range of registers, I know. I myself, for instance, might write ‘color’ in a text message, but would never have written it here without scare quotes. I just can’t bring myself to do it. Tom, I’m guessing you always write it that way.)</p>
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		By: Sarah Cannon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah Cannon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[1. (Re)read the entire OKcupid blog archives. Then made my own &quot;Flowchart to my heart.&quot; Hehe. This is not necessarily a good thing.

2. When I IM my grammar disappears (mostly into lowercase fragments, I only abbreviate words I know I&#039;ll misspell because spellcheck/dictionary takes too long in that format). 

When students first IMed me, I tried to stick to proper English, but quickly realized that&#039;s not the way I communicate in that medium. Count me among those who model code-switching.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. (Re)read the entire OKcupid blog archives. Then made my own &#8220;Flowchart to my heart.&#8221; Hehe. This is not necessarily a good thing.</p>
<p>2. When I IM my grammar disappears (mostly into lowercase fragments, I only abbreviate words I know I&#8217;ll misspell because spellcheck/dictionary takes too long in that format). </p>
<p>When students first IMed me, I tried to stick to proper English, but quickly realized that&#8217;s not the way I communicate in that medium. Count me among those who model code-switching.</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dancing,

I wasn&#039;t reading the superiority in.  The post was based on a specific conversation.  Looking back on it more critically, I see what you&#039;re saying.  I seem to demand that people use abbreviation and that was not my intent.  I think I clarified that above.  I&#039;ll probably clarify it in the post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dancing,</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t reading the superiority in.  The post was based on a specific conversation.  Looking back on it more critically, I see what you&#8217;re saying.  I seem to demand that people use abbreviation and that was not my intent.  I think I clarified that above.  I&#8217;ll probably clarify it in the post.</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I may very well have been unclear.  The post was driven by a specific event and a very specific smugness that I found unpleasant.  I ended with what I see as at least a semi-reasonable position.
&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m not saying students should be able to write papers in text speak. I just want people to put this into context.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The context being that texting isn&#039;t the end of the world.  English is not an unchanging, logical Platonic ideal. Try to relax.

Haven&#039;t students always picked up what&#039;s easiest/most common?  Isn&#039;t one of the roles of school to teach students the harder things?  English teachers (I was one) ought to be teaching people when and how to choose channels of communication as well as styles.  I know mine did. I know I did as a teacher (Voice being a fundamental component of writing).  If we did a better job of this we might avoid travesties like the tweet from the congressman above.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may very well have been unclear.  The post was driven by a specific event and a very specific smugness that I found unpleasant.  I ended with what I see as at least a semi-reasonable position.</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m not saying students should be able to write papers in text speak. I just want people to put this into context.</p></blockquote>
<p>The context being that texting isn&#8217;t the end of the world.  English is not an unchanging, logical Platonic ideal. Try to relax.</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t students always picked up what&#8217;s easiest/most common?  Isn&#8217;t one of the roles of school to teach students the harder things?  English teachers (I was one) ought to be teaching people when and how to choose channels of communication as well as styles.  I know mine did. I know I did as a teacher (Voice being a fundamental component of writing).  If we did a better job of this we might avoid travesties like the tweet from the congressman above.</p>
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		By: Meanwhile, I keep dancing		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meanwhile, I keep dancing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s fair to say that people are judged by how they choose to present themselves by using language.  There is such a thing as code-switching (choosing the appropriate type of language for a situation).  In some situations, it is a appropriate to use textspeak.  In most, it is not.  

As an English teacher, I usually don&#039;t use textspeak--not because I think I&#039;m better than people who do, but because textspeak is unnatural to me and I don&#039;t always feel it&#039;s clear.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a moral issue at all.

Tom, I find it interesting that you&#039;re reading a whole wad of superiority complexes into someone else&#039;s choice not to code-switch.  Does their lack of abbreviation hurt you in some way?  To me, lambasting people for using proper English is just silly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s fair to say that people are judged by how they choose to present themselves by using language.  There is such a thing as code-switching (choosing the appropriate type of language for a situation).  In some situations, it is a appropriate to use textspeak.  In most, it is not.  </p>
<p>As an English teacher, I usually don&#8217;t use textspeak&#8211;not because I think I&#8217;m better than people who do, but because textspeak is unnatural to me and I don&#8217;t always feel it&#8217;s clear.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a moral issue at all.</p>
<p>Tom, I find it interesting that you&#8217;re reading a whole wad of superiority complexes into someone else&#8217;s choice not to code-switch.  Does their lack of abbreviation hurt you in some way?  To me, lambasting people for using proper English is just silly.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know how germane it is to this discussion that the following tweet was written by &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/ChuckGrassley/status/5717049062&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a sitting U.S. senator&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Did Bfast Wloo Gates Optimist Pancakes. Helps w education at Cunningham school. Rest of Sat at finals HS Voleyball in CRapids.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s certainly amusing, though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how germane it is to this discussion that the following tweet was written by <a href="http://twitter.com/ChuckGrassley/status/5717049062" rel="nofollow">a sitting U.S. senator</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Did Bfast Wloo Gates Optimist Pancakes. Helps w education at Cunningham school. Rest of Sat at finals HS Voleyball in CRapids.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly amusing, though.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Smug self-righteousness is annoying in any field. If that was your point, then I apologize for reading too much into your post. It seemed to me that you were reacting to an overly prescriptive mentality with an overly permissive one. I don&#039;t doubt that &lt;em&gt;you&#039;re&lt;/em&gt; able to modulate your writing for your audience but, per &lt;strong&gt;Carol&#039;s&lt;/strong&gt; and my own experience, my students can&#039;t, and they lean sharply to what&#039;s easy and common, rather than what&#039;s clear.

Personally, I admire people who aspire to high standards of communication regardless of the medium – e-mail, IM, Twitter, text messaging, whatever – notwithstanding their smug self-righteousness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smug self-righteousness is annoying in any field. If that was your point, then I apologize for reading too much into your post. It seemed to me that you were reacting to an overly prescriptive mentality with an overly permissive one. I don&#8217;t doubt that <em>you&#8217;re</em> able to modulate your writing for your audience but, per <strong>Carol&#8217;s</strong> and my own experience, my students can&#8217;t, and they lean sharply to what&#8217;s easy and common, rather than what&#8217;s clear.</p>
<p>Personally, I admire people who aspire to high standards of communication regardless of the medium – e-mail, IM, Twitter, text messaging, whatever – notwithstanding their smug self-righteousness.</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unless you are texting with students I&#039;m not sure how you can model anything.  Even then, I really don&#039;t care how anyone chooses to communicate/abbreviate/not abbreviate.  What I dislike is the idea that choosing not to abbreviate gives you some sort of moral high ground in a language which will ultimately adapt and integrate whatever the masses decide is a good idea.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless you are texting with students I&#8217;m not sure how you can model anything.  Even then, I really don&#8217;t care how anyone chooses to communicate/abbreviate/not abbreviate.  What I dislike is the idea that choosing not to abbreviate gives you some sort of moral high ground in a language which will ultimately adapt and integrate whatever the masses decide is a good idea.</p>
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		By: Lee Trampleasure		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee Trampleasure]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PS. I love OKCupid&#039;s publishing of their stats to the web. As you say, Dan, it&#039;s only recently that we have access to all this trivia for statistical analysis :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. I love OKCupid&#8217;s publishing of their stats to the web. As you say, Dan, it&#8217;s only recently that we have access to all this trivia for statistical analysis :-)</p>
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