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		By: Notes from Edtech Workshop for Student Teachers &#171; More than a maths teacher		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Notes from Edtech Workshop for Student Teachers &#171; More than a maths teacher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Dan Meyer redesigns a slideÂ Sounds simple, but there&#8217;s some very thorough analysis of how this would be beneficial to the learners. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Dan Meyer redesigns a slideÂ Sounds simple, but there&#8217;s some very thorough analysis of how this would be beneficial to the learners. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Design without Background &#171; Ed Thoughts		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] also enjoy great lesson design. Â Dy/Dan is a blog I have followed for a few years(?) now and his lesson design is beautiful. Â I also like his videos (done over the summer). Â I want to do this, but how without extensive [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] also enjoy great lesson design. Â Dy/Dan is a blog I have followed for a few years(?) now and his lesson design is beautiful. Â I also like his videos (done over the summer). Â I want to do this, but how without extensive [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: For September 23 &#8211; UR Instructional Tech Integration		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[For September 23 &#8211; UR Instructional Tech Integration]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Redesigned [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Redesigned [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Why I follow blogs over other media &#124; Success?		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why I follow blogs over other media &#124; Success?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] begins with this posting, on editing a single slide from Darren Kuropatwa.&#160; Dan takes the slide donated from Darren, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] begins with this posting, on editing a single slide from Darren Kuropatwa.&nbsp; Dan takes the slide donated from Darren, [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Jason Dyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Dyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re-redesigned:

http://numberwarrior.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/re-redesigned-darren-kuropatwa-and-dan-meyer/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re-redesigned:</p>
<p><a href="http://numberwarrior.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/re-redesigned-darren-kuropatwa-and-dan-meyer/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://numberwarrior.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/re-redesigned-darren-kuropatwa-and-dan-meyer/</a></p>
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		By: Jason Dyer		</title>
		<link>/2009/redesigned-darren-kuropatwa/#comment-219327</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Dyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Okay, you had me on this one until the end. Somehow this one disappointed me.

I think it&#039;s because the concept ends up on some very &quot;soft&quot; math. I like the start but all you can end it on is a discussion of range? (And I guess you mean the statistical range, which is a distinction most teachers don&#039;t make and certainly our state standardized test doesn&#039;t, causing confusion in the future for students when they have to worry about domain and a completely different sort of range.)

Let me fiddle with end part and get back to you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, you had me on this one until the end. Somehow this one disappointed me.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s because the concept ends up on some very &#8220;soft&#8221; math. I like the start but all you can end it on is a discussion of range? (And I guess you mean the statistical range, which is a distinction most teachers don&#8217;t make and certainly our state standardized test doesn&#8217;t, causing confusion in the future for students when they have to worry about domain and a completely different sort of range.)</p>
<p>Let me fiddle with end part and get back to you.</p>
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		By: Mark		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What I like the slides is that I can use that with my class and I teach 4th grade.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I like the slides is that I can use that with my class and I teach 4th grade.</p>
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		By: Darren Kuropatwa		</title>
		<link>/2009/redesigned-darren-kuropatwa/#comment-219246</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darren Kuropatwa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, I forgot to mention, I&#039;m trying to cut down on the amount of paper we use. You can see how that fits in with the way I structure my class and orchestrate my students participation. ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I forgot to mention, I&#8217;m trying to cut down on the amount of paper we use. You can see how that fits in with the way I structure my class and orchestrate my students participation. ;-)</p>
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		By: Darren Kuropatwa		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darren Kuropatwa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;@Nick&lt;/b&gt; I very much like the idea of using more visuals in my teaching. Step by step, I&#039;m working on it. I love these sort of discussions, I learn lots this way. I thought I might throw out a couple of points to frame how the slides are used in my class.

Kids don&#039;t take too many notes in my classes. The slides are published to the class blog (&lt;a href=&quot;http://pc40sw09.blogspot.com&quot;/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;example&lt;/a&gt;) each day, tagged as &quot;slides&quot; and &quot;whatever unit they relate to&quot;. The notes are always there for them when needed.

I try to minimize the amount of time I spend at the front of the room. I colour code my slides (purple = instructional, white = student work). As I&#039;m planning my lesson if I see more than two purple slides in a row I know I need to break that up with a white one. I sometimes break this rule when the slides are intended to be displayed in quick succession.

Kids are typically sitting in groups of 3 or 4. They work through each problem collaboratively and then one student goes up to the board to write the solution and then explain it to the rest of thee class. I&#039;m typically at the back of the room or circulating mostly listening to the conversations and interjecting with the odd question here or there to push their thinking forward.

While I do some presenting when teaching I do my best teaching when not presenting. 

Everything written on the board is preserved (taking advantage of that &quot;marginal cost of extra slides&quot; Dan mentioned) even, especially, the mistakes (so you might see the same problem repeated on 3 or 4 slides if we had that many different solutions or approaches to the problem). Each day one student will summarize what was learned in class by publishing what I call a &lt;a href=&quot;http://adifference.blogspot.com/2005/11/scribe-post.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Scribe Post&lt;/a&gt; to the class blog.

I love talking about instructional design. IMHO instructional design &#038; presentation design have an intersection, each is informed by the other for the better, but they&#039;re different.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@Nick</b> I very much like the idea of using more visuals in my teaching. Step by step, I&#8217;m working on it. I love these sort of discussions, I learn lots this way. I thought I might throw out a couple of points to frame how the slides are used in my class.</p>
<p>Kids don&#8217;t take too many notes in my classes. The slides are published to the class blog (<a href="http://pc40sw09.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">example</a>) each day, tagged as &#8220;slides&#8221; and &#8220;whatever unit they relate to&#8221;. The notes are always there for them when needed.</p>
<p>I try to minimize the amount of time I spend at the front of the room. I colour code my slides (purple = instructional, white = student work). As I&#8217;m planning my lesson if I see more than two purple slides in a row I know I need to break that up with a white one. I sometimes break this rule when the slides are intended to be displayed in quick succession.</p>
<p>Kids are typically sitting in groups of 3 or 4. They work through each problem collaboratively and then one student goes up to the board to write the solution and then explain it to the rest of thee class. I&#8217;m typically at the back of the room or circulating mostly listening to the conversations and interjecting with the odd question here or there to push their thinking forward.</p>
<p>While I do some presenting when teaching I do my best teaching when not presenting. </p>
<p>Everything written on the board is preserved (taking advantage of that &#8220;marginal cost of extra slides&#8221; Dan mentioned) even, especially, the mistakes (so you might see the same problem repeated on 3 or 4 slides if we had that many different solutions or approaches to the problem). Each day one student will summarize what was learned in class by publishing what I call a <a href="http://adifference.blogspot.com/2005/11/scribe-post.html" rel="nofollow">Scribe Post</a> to the class blog.</p>
<p>I love talking about instructional design. IMHO instructional design &amp; presentation design have an intersection, each is informed by the other for the better, but they&#8217;re different.</p>
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		By: Nick		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;@Dan&lt;/b&gt; I&#039;ll just say it, the problem I have is that I would like to work less and not more, though I would like to be better not worse. So there. You mentioned the &lt;i&gt;fat lot of time&lt;/i&gt; it takes to pull this off, and I find myself saying that about other things I&#039;m doing. So I guess subconsciously I&#039;ve made the decision that 1st year teaching this stuff I have bigger fish to fry than the visual aesthetic. Though I know that&#039;s not the meat of this. It&#039;s hard to say that something is more of a priority than student engagement and conceptual understanding (is that an ok buzzword?). That something though, for now, is simply clarity of presentation. That I am able to get the class through concepts like, say factoring, or proofs involving trig ratios and the like without having everyone&#039;s hair fall out. Beyond that, I think once comfort with the material has been achieved, the next big gap must be the engagement factor. I wish I was better at doing both at the same time.

&lt;b&gt;@Darren&lt;/b&gt; Looking at those slides, I&#039;m tempted to say that they might function better (and more Dan-ly) if you printed them off for students. I think for a presentation, text rich is overload, but your HS kids are fine readers (I assume) so they&#039;d probably be happy to have some nicely thought out definitions or example problems ready on the page to attack with their own thoughts etc. I find presentations are far more engaging if there&#039;s something going with it, something guiding kids/adults towards where you want their thinking. This also lends itself towards getting rid of the images (they don&#039;t print well). You could possibly push the images in your presentations (at least the ones you want to keep) to new slides, put the text on old ones, then print the text slides, and project the images.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@Dan</b> I&#8217;ll just say it, the problem I have is that I would like to work less and not more, though I would like to be better not worse. So there. You mentioned the <i>fat lot of time</i> it takes to pull this off, and I find myself saying that about other things I&#8217;m doing. So I guess subconsciously I&#8217;ve made the decision that 1st year teaching this stuff I have bigger fish to fry than the visual aesthetic. Though I know that&#8217;s not the meat of this. It&#8217;s hard to say that something is more of a priority than student engagement and conceptual understanding (is that an ok buzzword?). That something though, for now, is simply clarity of presentation. That I am able to get the class through concepts like, say factoring, or proofs involving trig ratios and the like without having everyone&#8217;s hair fall out. Beyond that, I think once comfort with the material has been achieved, the next big gap must be the engagement factor. I wish I was better at doing both at the same time.</p>
<p><b>@Darren</b> Looking at those slides, I&#8217;m tempted to say that they might function better (and more Dan-ly) if you printed them off for students. I think for a presentation, text rich is overload, but your HS kids are fine readers (I assume) so they&#8217;d probably be happy to have some nicely thought out definitions or example problems ready on the page to attack with their own thoughts etc. I find presentations are far more engaging if there&#8217;s something going with it, something guiding kids/adults towards where you want their thinking. This also lends itself towards getting rid of the images (they don&#8217;t print well). You could possibly push the images in your presentations (at least the ones you want to keep) to new slides, put the text on old ones, then print the text slides, and project the images.</p>
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