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		By: &#187; The Week in Tweets for 2010-03-08 Bud the Teacher		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#187; The Week in Tweets for 2010-03-08 Bud the Teacher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 05:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Sara		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I came across this blog on accident - looking for the next Doug Lemov training.  As a Dean that is currently preparing the opening of a charter school, I cannot agree with Dan more.  A) It&#039;s shocking to me that a library of videos like this do not exist.  B) I need some videos to show my teachers, a few of whom will have never have been in the classroom and need some reminders.  C) I think watching videos of &quot;poor&quot; teaching/classroom management are often extremely beneficial for new teachers because it allows them to pinpoint what&#039;s going wrong, as well as gives everyone the confidence that there are other people out there who need to improve.

Finally, my school will start with only a few teachers - and they will have opportunities to observe one another - but sometimes I think seeing more modeling, in more places, allows for a-ha moments that couldn&#039;t have come out of the classroom down the hall because it&#039;s too personal.

Great discussion though!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across this blog on accident &#8211; looking for the next Doug Lemov training.  As a Dean that is currently preparing the opening of a charter school, I cannot agree with Dan more.  A) It&#8217;s shocking to me that a library of videos like this do not exist.  B) I need some videos to show my teachers, a few of whom will have never have been in the classroom and need some reminders.  C) I think watching videos of &#8220;poor&#8221; teaching/classroom management are often extremely beneficial for new teachers because it allows them to pinpoint what&#8217;s going wrong, as well as gives everyone the confidence that there are other people out there who need to improve.</p>
<p>Finally, my school will start with only a few teachers &#8211; and they will have opportunities to observe one another &#8211; but sometimes I think seeing more modeling, in more places, allows for a-ha moments that couldn&#8217;t have come out of the classroom down the hall because it&#8217;s too personal.</p>
<p>Great discussion though!</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Affectlessness. Meaning, just a camera (or two) on tripod(s), a sturdy mic, and then no other stylistic choices. Post the whole thing.

Seriously, if there were a &quot;Randomize&quot; button which, when clicked, delivered a random five-minute passage from a random teacher&#039;s classroom, I would plant myself in front of my computer for a week and never stop clicking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Affectlessness. Meaning, just a camera (or two) on tripod(s), a sturdy mic, and then no other stylistic choices. Post the whole thing.</p>
<p>Seriously, if there were a &#8220;Randomize&#8221; button which, when clicked, delivered a random five-minute passage from a random teacher&#8217;s classroom, I would plant myself in front of my computer for a week and never stop clicking.</p>
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		By: Scott S. Floyd		</title>
		<link>/2009/tell-me-why-we-dont-do-this-again/#comment-213415</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So what would you consider the mandatory elements of a good video for this instance? What should the video creator be looking for to make it a worthwhile video? 

I understand each situation might call for something different for each person. What I am getting at is if the videos are to be shared for others to use, what might the essential elements of each video be?

Unless you&#039;re bored with this thread already. In that case, move on. I understand.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what would you consider the mandatory elements of a good video for this instance? What should the video creator be looking for to make it a worthwhile video? </p>
<p>I understand each situation might call for something different for each person. What I am getting at is if the videos are to be shared for others to use, what might the essential elements of each video be?</p>
<p>Unless you&#8217;re bored with this thread already. In that case, move on. I understand.</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
		<link>/2009/tell-me-why-we-dont-do-this-again/#comment-212922</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been thinking of doing something like this for my gymnastics team - little video clips for newbies to study so when I say &quot;puck jump&quot; or &quot;hitch kick&quot; they have a better idea what I mean.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking of doing something like this for my gymnastics team &#8211; little video clips for newbies to study so when I say &#8220;puck jump&#8221; or &#8220;hitch kick&#8221; they have a better idea what I mean.</p>
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		By: Video Rulebooks &#171; My Fifteen Minutes		</title>
		<link>/2009/tell-me-why-we-dont-do-this-again/#comment-212837</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] to the blog dy/dan, I found out that the NBA is creating a video [...]]]></description>
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		By: TeacherC		</title>
		<link>/2009/tell-me-why-we-dont-do-this-again/#comment-212302</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TeacherC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 03:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thom,

You are right - teaching is heavily contextualized. That&#039;s the first thing I thought when I read Dan&#039;s post. I think teachers need access to research-based and time tested practices from other teachers. Not all of the strategies will work for them, but it at least gives teachers strategies they can try in their classrooms. I think theory is easier to implement when there are ideas about how to implement the theory in real contexts - even if they exact context doesn&#039;t match your own.

I&#039;ve also seen people go too far with the idea that good teaching practices are contextualized.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thom,</p>
<p>You are right &#8211; teaching is heavily contextualized. That&#8217;s the first thing I thought when I read Dan&#8217;s post. I think teachers need access to research-based and time tested practices from other teachers. Not all of the strategies will work for them, but it at least gives teachers strategies they can try in their classrooms. I think theory is easier to implement when there are ideas about how to implement the theory in real contexts &#8211; even if they exact context doesn&#8217;t match your own.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also seen people go too far with the idea that good teaching practices are contextualized.</p>
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		By: thom		</title>
		<link>/2009/tell-me-why-we-dont-do-this-again/#comment-212280</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Context is my problem with this - initally appetising - idea.

You use basketball as your starting point. Basketball has no context. A travel is a travel whether it&#039;s done in Texas or Toronto, by Y. Ming or A. Iverson, at home or away. That basketball is abstracted from context lends itself perfectly to the idea of video instruction.

This does not apply to teaching. Ken&#039;s example nails this. What works or is appropriate will be different for each class, for each teacher for each community (by community I&#039;m talking about another whole set of variables - race, wealth, etc). Teaching is heavily contextualised - isn&#039;t this one of the conclusions of the &quot;student-centered learning&quot; enlightenment?

During my teacher training I remember an instructor trying to help me with behaviour management. She demonstrated how to &quot;be firmer&quot; with them. I tried it. I just didn&#039;t feel like me, or fit with my budding pedagogy, and I stopped doing it. Very unhappy instructor. I used an approach that felt right to me (a reciprocal respect approach I suppose...). It worked (and I actually gained the respect of the instructor too).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Context is my problem with this &#8211; initally appetising &#8211; idea.</p>
<p>You use basketball as your starting point. Basketball has no context. A travel is a travel whether it&#8217;s done in Texas or Toronto, by Y. Ming or A. Iverson, at home or away. That basketball is abstracted from context lends itself perfectly to the idea of video instruction.</p>
<p>This does not apply to teaching. Ken&#8217;s example nails this. What works or is appropriate will be different for each class, for each teacher for each community (by community I&#8217;m talking about another whole set of variables &#8211; race, wealth, etc). Teaching is heavily contextualised &#8211; isn&#8217;t this one of the conclusions of the &#8220;student-centered learning&#8221; enlightenment?</p>
<p>During my teacher training I remember an instructor trying to help me with behaviour management. She demonstrated how to &#8220;be firmer&#8221; with them. I tried it. I just didn&#8217;t feel like me, or fit with my budding pedagogy, and I stopped doing it. Very unhappy instructor. I used an approach that felt right to me (a reciprocal respect approach I suppose&#8230;). It worked (and I actually gained the respect of the instructor too).</p>
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		By: Chuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think it sounds interesting....And a side-effect would be seeing other teacher&#039;s activities and viewer&#039;s could pick and choose from them.  

As a side note it&#039;s made me think of using video next year in those first 2 weeks of the year when we&#039;re mostly focused on &#039;developing good habits&#039; where students are given a situation (entering the classroom, asking a question, handling frustration etc.) and they need to make a video for how to do it (boring) and one for how not to do it (fun).

I&#039;d be willing to collect permission slips (which at my school, would be no small task even if they needed parental consent to pick a free ipod touch from a big ole&#039; bouncy castle) and try to shoot the video, post it online etc. I think it could set up nice for a regular kind of thing, similar as &quot;what can you do with this.&quot;  Haters need not participate, that&#039;s all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it sounds interesting&#8230;.And a side-effect would be seeing other teacher&#8217;s activities and viewer&#8217;s could pick and choose from them.  </p>
<p>As a side note it&#8217;s made me think of using video next year in those first 2 weeks of the year when we&#8217;re mostly focused on &#8216;developing good habits&#8217; where students are given a situation (entering the classroom, asking a question, handling frustration etc.) and they need to make a video for how to do it (boring) and one for how not to do it (fun).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be willing to collect permission slips (which at my school, would be no small task even if they needed parental consent to pick a free ipod touch from a big ole&#8217; bouncy castle) and try to shoot the video, post it online etc. I think it could set up nice for a regular kind of thing, similar as &#8220;what can you do with this.&#8221;  Haters need not participate, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		By: Teacherc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In my teacher prep program a large emphasis is placed on collaboration, creating and distributing videos of our own teaching, and observing teachers in &#039;real life&#039; and on video. Each student in my program is loaned a video camera for the year and learns how to navigate consent forms, the basic technology behind uploading video, and other issues. For example, I participate in a variety of lesson studies where I plan lessons with a team of teachers from many different backgrounds, teach/tape a lesson in front of the team, and then we analyze the video to replan the lesson to make it better. To be fair - this process isn&#039;t easy. It is hard to fit all of this work into the busy schedule of teachers and have meaningful, ego-detached conversations about teaching. There were great and terrible parts of the experience but I hope to try it again in the future.

I wish more teachers collaborated and invested time into the professional and intellectual community of educators. If anything, we would see diverse pedagogies and realities - I feel like teacher prep programs have a mainline stance they do not like to deviate from.

Interesting post, Dan.

TeacherC
educatorblog.wordpress.com
twitter.com/teacherc]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my teacher prep program a large emphasis is placed on collaboration, creating and distributing videos of our own teaching, and observing teachers in &#8216;real life&#8217; and on video. Each student in my program is loaned a video camera for the year and learns how to navigate consent forms, the basic technology behind uploading video, and other issues. For example, I participate in a variety of lesson studies where I plan lessons with a team of teachers from many different backgrounds, teach/tape a lesson in front of the team, and then we analyze the video to replan the lesson to make it better. To be fair &#8211; this process isn&#8217;t easy. It is hard to fit all of this work into the busy schedule of teachers and have meaningful, ego-detached conversations about teaching. There were great and terrible parts of the experience but I hope to try it again in the future.</p>
<p>I wish more teachers collaborated and invested time into the professional and intellectual community of educators. If anything, we would see diverse pedagogies and realities &#8211; I feel like teacher prep programs have a mainline stance they do not like to deviate from.</p>
<p>Interesting post, Dan.</p>
<p>TeacherC<br />
educatorblog.wordpress.com<br />
twitter.com/teacherc</p>
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