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		By: A. Mercer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A. Mercer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I thought I had links about IWBs in that last comment? Look at that link to CR2.0 and you&#039;ll see comments that are similar to the ones here. 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.classroom20.com/forum/topics/are-interactive-white-boards&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.classroom20.com/forum/topics/are-interactive-white-boards&lt;/a&gt;

I did a recent Webcast on it, and even folks who use the boards and LOVE them understand that they are ONLY a tool. I&#039;m much more worried about those who are not tech savvy who see these things, and thing by their very nature, they will change things, whereas some of the big IWB users would like to see teaching transform, not just how it&#039;s presented.

The Prezi stuff is mostly on twitter so not easy to suss out. I saw a couple pro-Prezi comments, but I have seen others snark on it besides myself, and you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I had links about IWBs in that last comment? Look at that link to CR2.0 and you&#8217;ll see comments that are similar to the ones here.<br />
<a href="http://www.classroom20.com/forum/topics/are-interactive-white-boards" rel="nofollow">http://www.classroom20.com/forum/topics/are-interactive-white-boards</a></p>
<p>I did a recent Webcast on it, and even folks who use the boards and LOVE them understand that they are ONLY a tool. I&#8217;m much more worried about those who are not tech savvy who see these things, and thing by their very nature, they will change things, whereas some of the big IWB users would like to see teaching transform, not just how it&#8217;s presented.</p>
<p>The Prezi stuff is mostly on twitter so not easy to suss out. I saw a couple pro-Prezi comments, but I have seen others snark on it besides myself, and you.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Alice&lt;/strong&gt;, can you link up some dissenting commentary on IWBs, Prezi, whatever? Thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Alice</strong>, can you link up some dissenting commentary on IWBs, Prezi, whatever? Thanks.</p>
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		By: A. Mercer		</title>
		<link>/2009/the-latest-web-20-app-for-education/#comment-217437</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A. Mercer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan: I think there are a few problems (not with you, btw) out there. First, there is your point, what visuals AND audio are you using with the darn thing? Next, how are you using or manipulating the imagery and audio to teach? Last, how are the kids &quot;interacting with it&quot;? How are you &quot;interacting&quot; with the kids with it? 

There was a thread about IWBs at CR 2.0 about how &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.classroom20.com/forum/topics/are-interactive-white-boards&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;transformative&quot;&lt;/a&gt; IWBs were. Lots of folks arguing against them, OR talking about what really mattered. My take-away from that discussion was, you have to have the kids use the darn thing, NOT just the teacher. The more the kids are touching it/the controls, the more &quot;interactive&quot; and transformative it is.

Frankly, I don&#039;t think the companies sell IWBs well. I think they may be selling it to the same teachers who think WordArt, slide transitions, and animations make their PowerPoint &quot;better&quot;. I had a preso at my school, and told the staff I was definitely &quot;neutral&quot; on it. They saw the possibilities (and it was some of our better teachers), but I don&#039;t think the examples they used showed how powerful it could be.

Strangely, I don&#039;t see the edublogosphere of one mind on IWBs. I think they are MUCH sexier to non-techies because they are so &quot;accessible&quot;. I hear more about IWBs with glowing eyes from admins in my district, etc. than from blog posts. If folks are looking at IWBs I&#039;d strongly recommend looking at &lt;a href=&quot;http://community.cue.org/video/dr-bob-marzano-cue-2009&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Marzano&#039;s presentation at CUE&lt;/a&gt;, but listen to all the caveats, and think about what they mean. I pointed some of them out &lt;a href=&quot;http://mizmercer.edublogs.org/2009/03/13/opening-keynote-cue-2009-palm-springs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;  There are plenty of folks constructively pointing out the pitfalls of IWBs out there, you just have to read &#039;em.

Administrators, and others need to understand if teachers are crappy, this won&#039;t make them good. If they have horrid visual skills, this will just make their lessons blingy and awful, and if they are using it just for direct instruction it&#039;ll backfire at that eventually. I don&#039;t think you, I or, others are saying IWBs are without redeeming value, but rather, they may not be ready to use as a universal teaching tool for all educators.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan: I think there are a few problems (not with you, btw) out there. First, there is your point, what visuals AND audio are you using with the darn thing? Next, how are you using or manipulating the imagery and audio to teach? Last, how are the kids &#8220;interacting with it&#8221;? How are you &#8220;interacting&#8221; with the kids with it? </p>
<p>There was a thread about IWBs at CR 2.0 about how <a href="http://www.classroom20.com/forum/topics/are-interactive-white-boards" rel="nofollow">&#8220;transformative&#8221;</a> IWBs were. Lots of folks arguing against them, OR talking about what really mattered. My take-away from that discussion was, you have to have the kids use the darn thing, NOT just the teacher. The more the kids are touching it/the controls, the more &#8220;interactive&#8221; and transformative it is.</p>
<p>Frankly, I don&#8217;t think the companies sell IWBs well. I think they may be selling it to the same teachers who think WordArt, slide transitions, and animations make their PowerPoint &#8220;better&#8221;. I had a preso at my school, and told the staff I was definitely &#8220;neutral&#8221; on it. They saw the possibilities (and it was some of our better teachers), but I don&#8217;t think the examples they used showed how powerful it could be.</p>
<p>Strangely, I don&#8217;t see the edublogosphere of one mind on IWBs. I think they are MUCH sexier to non-techies because they are so &#8220;accessible&#8221;. I hear more about IWBs with glowing eyes from admins in my district, etc. than from blog posts. If folks are looking at IWBs I&#8217;d strongly recommend looking at <a href="http://community.cue.org/video/dr-bob-marzano-cue-2009" rel="nofollow">Marzano&#8217;s presentation at CUE</a>, but listen to all the caveats, and think about what they mean. I pointed some of them out <a href="http://mizmercer.edublogs.org/2009/03/13/opening-keynote-cue-2009-palm-springs/" rel="nofollow">here.</a>  There are plenty of folks constructively pointing out the pitfalls of IWBs out there, you just have to read &#8217;em.</p>
<p>Administrators, and others need to understand if teachers are crappy, this won&#8217;t make them good. If they have horrid visual skills, this will just make their lessons blingy and awful, and if they are using it just for direct instruction it&#8217;ll backfire at that eventually. I don&#8217;t think you, I or, others are saying IWBs are without redeeming value, but rather, they may not be ready to use as a universal teaching tool for all educators.</p>
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		By: Touzel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Touzel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 06:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I&#039;ve had a SMART board in the back of my room for months, but haven&#039;t used it. I&#039;d much rather have a document cam. I would use one of those dozens of times per day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;ve had a SMART board in the back of my room for months, but haven&#8217;t used it. I&#8217;d much rather have a document cam. I would use one of those dozens of times per day.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;If you use powerpoint, haven’t you wished you could write on the screen? Correct an error, add another example, show that you subtracted 3 from both sides of the equation for the student who still hasn’t picked up on that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, often. I&#039;m glad I can do all that without incurring the cost of a SMART board.

(I should mention again that heckling the SMART board crowd wasn&#039;t on my top ten list of priorities for this post.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you use powerpoint, haven’t you wished you could write on the screen? Correct an error, add another example, show that you subtracted 3 from both sides of the equation for the student who still hasn’t picked up on that.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, often. I&#8217;m glad I can do all that without incurring the cost of a SMART board.</p>
<p>(I should mention again that heckling the SMART board crowd wasn&#8217;t on my top ten list of priorities for this post.)</p>
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		By: Mr. Follett		</title>
		<link>/2009/the-latest-web-20-app-for-education/#comment-216856</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Follett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(1) If you use powerpoint, haven&#039;t you wished you could write on the screen? Correct an error, add another example, show that you subtracted 3 from both sides of the equation for the student who still hasn&#039;t picked up on that.

(2) How is a smartboard a web app?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1) If you use powerpoint, haven&#8217;t you wished you could write on the screen? Correct an error, add another example, show that you subtracted 3 from both sides of the equation for the student who still hasn&#8217;t picked up on that.</p>
<p>(2) How is a smartboard a web app?</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh Mr. K, you do know how to turn a phrase.  :-)  

I don&#039;t think anyone would say honestly they &quot;make good presentations so easy&quot;.  (&#039;Life is pain, highness, anyone who says differently is selling something.&#039;)  They&#039;re just a tool; they can&#039;t teach for you. The making the good presentation is the hard part, but not where the energy is focused. I think that was the point of this post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Mr. K, you do know how to turn a phrase.  :-)  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone would say honestly they &#8220;make good presentations so easy&#8221;.  (&#8216;Life is pain, highness, anyone who says differently is selling something.&#8217;)  They&#8217;re just a tool; they can&#8217;t teach for you. The making the good presentation is the hard part, but not where the energy is focused. I think that was the point of this post.</p>
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		By: Mr. K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 06:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If smartboards (and the associated software) make good presentations so easy, then why are all the demonstrations I&#039;ve actually seen by the people trying to sell them to me complete ass?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If smartboards (and the associated software) make good presentations so easy, then why are all the demonstrations I&#8217;ve actually seen by the people trying to sell them to me complete ass?</p>
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		By: David Cox		</title>
		<link>/2009/the-latest-web-20-app-for-education/#comment-216558</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 02:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Forgive me if my questions seem obtuse, I am relatively new to the edublogosphere; but what keeps this first option from happening?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me if my questions seem obtuse, I am relatively new to the edublogosphere; but what keeps this first option from happening?</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hate to jump in on the smartboard discussion because that wasn&#039;t the point of this post, but I can&#039;t help myself. It&#039;s far from a perfect tool (I don&#039;t know what would be a perfect tool). But blaming the tool is on par with expecting the tool to save things. It&#039;s up to the user. There are teachers who are using these well with their students. My first graders use ours often for a variety of reasons and they&#039;re at it more often than I am. 

It&#039;s the teacher that matters. As usual.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to jump in on the smartboard discussion because that wasn&#8217;t the point of this post, but I can&#8217;t help myself. It&#8217;s far from a perfect tool (I don&#8217;t know what would be a perfect tool). But blaming the tool is on par with expecting the tool to save things. It&#8217;s up to the user. There are teachers who are using these well with their students. My first graders use ours often for a variety of reasons and they&#8217;re at it more often than I am. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the teacher that matters. As usual.</p>
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