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		By: Career Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Compare and Contrast		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Dan Meyer blogging about a common teacher misconception: the supposed instructional value of [...]]]></description>
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		By: College Student &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Compare and Contrast		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Dan Meyer blogging about a common teacher misconception: the supposed instructional value of [...]]]></description>
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		By: geek.teacher &#187; Blog Archive &#187; This week&#8217;s comments elsewhere (weekly)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 04:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] dy/dan Â» Blog Archive Â» Weightlifter / Spotter [...]]]></description>
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		By: Claude		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a teacher/coach I admire the analogy and may, with permission requested, borrow it in future years.  I follow you and your cohart with interest as you discuss teaching ideas hoping to find a nugget my old brain can wrap around and learn from. 

Keep up your efforts, your helping an &quot;old coach&quot; learn a few new tricks for assisting students to learn marth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a teacher/coach I admire the analogy and may, with permission requested, borrow it in future years.  I follow you and your cohart with interest as you discuss teaching ideas hoping to find a nugget my old brain can wrap around and learn from. </p>
<p>Keep up your efforts, your helping an &#8220;old coach&#8221; learn a few new tricks for assisting students to learn marth.</p>
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		By: Dan Callahan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Callahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 02:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;That moment is nowhere near as obvious in teaching where what the learner says she needs and what the learner actually needs often are not the same thing, where it isn&#039;t visually obvious that the learner is too perplexed or not perplexed enough.&quot;

This is the real struggle for me in my classroom...i teach Special Ed, and my students have a kind of reinforced helplessness, where they may have found in the past that if they said something was too hard, they would get immediate help.  Seven months into this school year, and they still will ask for help or say something is too hard before even trying to engage in an activity that I know they can make an honest attempt at, even if they wouldn&#039;t have complete success.  There are days where I feel so frustrated that they won&#039;t make that first attempt, even after I&#039;ve made it abundantly clear that it&#039;s ok to make mistakes as long as they try their best.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That moment is nowhere near as obvious in teaching where what the learner says she needs and what the learner actually needs often are not the same thing, where it isn&#8217;t visually obvious that the learner is too perplexed or not perplexed enough.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the real struggle for me in my classroom&#8230;i teach Special Ed, and my students have a kind of reinforced helplessness, where they may have found in the past that if they said something was too hard, they would get immediate help.  Seven months into this school year, and they still will ask for help or say something is too hard before even trying to engage in an activity that I know they can make an honest attempt at, even if they wouldn&#8217;t have complete success.  There are days where I feel so frustrated that they won&#8217;t make that first attempt, even after I&#8217;ve made it abundantly clear that it&#8217;s ok to make mistakes as long as they try their best.</p>
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		By: Fran		</title>
		<link>/2009/weightlifter-spotter/#comment-218105</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I commented this on Rhett&#039;s Dot Physics blog, too, but I want to say it here too.
There was a session at the Chicago AAPT meeting in February  in which a teacher  gave a great teaching example.  She explained to us how to knit.  Could we knit, after listening to her explanation?  Well, I couldn&#039;t.  Then her helpers passed around skewers and yarn, and we all REALLY learned to knit. Anyway, it was a really cool teaching demonstration.  

It feels a bit overwhelming to me to be a spotter for 30 people at once, but I think I could teach 30 people to knit at once.  Or maybe not knit, but I think you know what I mean. 

I think rather than trying to spot 30 kids at once, I&#039;d like them to be able to spot each other.  By becoming the teachers, they will learn that much more!  Plus, I will feel much less overwhelmed by my job.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I commented this on Rhett&#8217;s Dot Physics blog, too, but I want to say it here too.<br />
There was a session at the Chicago AAPT meeting in February  in which a teacher  gave a great teaching example.  She explained to us how to knit.  Could we knit, after listening to her explanation?  Well, I couldn&#8217;t.  Then her helpers passed around skewers and yarn, and we all REALLY learned to knit. Anyway, it was a really cool teaching demonstration.  </p>
<p>It feels a bit overwhelming to me to be a spotter for 30 people at once, but I think I could teach 30 people to knit at once.  Or maybe not knit, but I think you know what I mean. </p>
<p>I think rather than trying to spot 30 kids at once, I&#8217;d like them to be able to spot each other.  By becoming the teachers, they will learn that much more!  Plus, I will feel much less overwhelmed by my job.</p>
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		By: Rhett		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like analogies.  Bike riding is my favorite teacher-student analogy.  I describe it here - http://blog.dotphys.net/2009/04/teacher-student-class-learning/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like analogies.  Bike riding is my favorite teacher-student analogy.  I describe it here &#8211; <a href="http://blog.dotphys.net/2009/04/teacher-student-class-learning/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://blog.dotphys.net/2009/04/teacher-student-class-learning/</a></p>
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		By: Mike Arsenault		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 01:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Absolutely great analogy... I&#039;ve heard of teacher as coach and many others but never as spotter. Unfortunately, I think many teachers fall into the trap, as David Cox mentioned, of lifting more than they should. We need to carefully allow students to push themselves to the limit. Great post!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely great analogy&#8230; I&#8217;ve heard of teacher as coach and many others but never as spotter. Unfortunately, I think many teachers fall into the trap, as David Cox mentioned, of lifting more than they should. We need to carefully allow students to push themselves to the limit. Great post!</p>
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		By: Cory		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 01:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There seems to be that kid in every class with me.  I don&#039;t know there true intentions, maybe they think they are saving a peer from looking bad?!  I rather have the student think for a minute and come up with a wrong answer...  that&#039;s me wearing the teacher&#039;s hat though!

I can only chalk this up to impatience or implusiveness.  There are a few students that just can&#039;t handle students not knowing the answers or just want to get class moving along because they&#039;re bored.  Either way I agree it&#039;s a buzz kill.

Though completely off topic, this reminds me of the students that don&#039;t even attempt to do work of any kind rather than being told before thought processes can occur.  To those kids, my favorite saying goes something like this...

&quot;I can correct wrong, but it&#039;s very hard to correct nothing.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be that kid in every class with me.  I don&#8217;t know there true intentions, maybe they think they are saving a peer from looking bad?!  I rather have the student think for a minute and come up with a wrong answer&#8230;  that&#8217;s me wearing the teacher&#8217;s hat though!</p>
<p>I can only chalk this up to impatience or implusiveness.  There are a few students that just can&#8217;t handle students not knowing the answers or just want to get class moving along because they&#8217;re bored.  Either way I agree it&#8217;s a buzz kill.</p>
<p>Though completely off topic, this reminds me of the students that don&#8217;t even attempt to do work of any kind rather than being told before thought processes can occur.  To those kids, my favorite saying goes something like this&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;I can correct wrong, but it&#8217;s very hard to correct nothing.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
		<link>/2009/weightlifter-spotter/#comment-217459</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the teacher more closely aligns with a good personal trainer.  They are your spotter but also someone trying to get you to a particular destination.  They plan the activities that you&#039;ll have to struggle through, have an end goal in mind etc.  You get the idea.

The spotter for me is too temporary a role, too focused on the micro but I&#039;m probably over analyzing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the teacher more closely aligns with a good personal trainer.  They are your spotter but also someone trying to get you to a particular destination.  They plan the activities that you&#8217;ll have to struggle through, have an end goal in mind etc.  You get the idea.</p>
<p>The spotter for me is too temporary a role, too focused on the micro but I&#8217;m probably over analyzing.</p>
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