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		By: WCYDWT: Berkeley parking meter &#171; Natural Math		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WCYDWT: Berkeley parking meter &#171; Natural Math]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 11:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] UPDATE: Becky already submitted this picture in February, and there is a very nice discussion there at dy/dan blog. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] UPDATE: Becky already submitted this picture in February, and there is a very nice discussion there at dy/dan blog. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: David Petersen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Petersen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Playing off Steven P&#039;s idea, why cents/min and not mins/cent?  Although they are each ratios of the same concept, the philosophy behind the choice of measurement is interesting.  

Someone choosing cents/min implies he is looking for the cheapest way to get a fixed task completed.  &quot;I need 30 mins in this store, how can I park cheapest?&quot;

Someone choosing mins/cent implies he is looking for the maximum time allowed for the change in his pocket.  &quot;I&#039;ve only got 50 cents, how long can I stay at the park?&quot;

I think it&#039;s an interesting question (especially when applied to the American mpg vs the European liters/100km).  It could also bring up the idea of multiplicative inverses mathematically.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Playing off Steven P&#8217;s idea, why cents/min and not mins/cent?  Although they are each ratios of the same concept, the philosophy behind the choice of measurement is interesting.  </p>
<p>Someone choosing cents/min implies he is looking for the cheapest way to get a fixed task completed.  &#8220;I need 30 mins in this store, how can I park cheapest?&#8221;</p>
<p>Someone choosing mins/cent implies he is looking for the maximum time allowed for the change in his pocket.  &#8220;I&#8217;ve only got 50 cents, how long can I stay at the park?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s an interesting question (especially when applied to the American mpg vs the European liters/100km).  It could also bring up the idea of multiplicative inverses mathematically.</p>
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		By: jeffreygene		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeffreygene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Find a street nearby and count up the number of parking spaces. Assume that everyone is only using dimes (least efficient method). How many hours of continuous parked cars will it take to pay for the bailout of Wall Street?

Or to come at the the same issue from a less inflammatory hook: &quot;Who cares about small change?&quot; Why does the government pay such close attention to such small sums of money? Illustrates federal vs state vs local and leads into a discussion about the theory of laws like this one and why they exist.



Another humanities link, different direction. Put up alongside this one an image of the RFID-controlled parking meters that are the norm in many Asian countries (google image search - octopus parking meter - to see what we use in hong kong). &quot;Why the difference?&quot;

Could also do this one with any number of countries. Probably much harder to use this effectively in class...but it&#039;s cool.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Find a street nearby and count up the number of parking spaces. Assume that everyone is only using dimes (least efficient method). How many hours of continuous parked cars will it take to pay for the bailout of Wall Street?</p>
<p>Or to come at the the same issue from a less inflammatory hook: &#8220;Who cares about small change?&#8221; Why does the government pay such close attention to such small sums of money? Illustrates federal vs state vs local and leads into a discussion about the theory of laws like this one and why they exist.</p>
<p>Another humanities link, different direction. Put up alongside this one an image of the RFID-controlled parking meters that are the norm in many Asian countries (google image search &#8211; octopus parking meter &#8211; to see what we use in hong kong). &#8220;Why the difference?&#8221;</p>
<p>Could also do this one with any number of countries. Probably much harder to use this effectively in class&#8230;but it&#8217;s cool.</p>
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		By: mrfollett		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How about just this question:

why?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about just this question:</p>
<p>why?</p>
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		By: Mr. K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; Allowing the teacher to remove herself from the scene presupposes that we ( the teachers) have the autonomy to truly employ the Socratic method in mathematics courses&lt;/i&gt;

The teacher doesn&#039;t really remove themselves from the scene. You are critically important for setting up the story, and for setting the beats that move it forward.

But, if it&#039;s a good story, the kids tell it themselves, and you get to hide in the shadows while they do it. If the teacher weren&#039;t crucially important for that, textbooks wouldn&#039;t suck.

Which reminds me: I&#039;ve got about 40 lbs of nickels lying around here. I&#039;m quite sure that there will be an opportune time to drop a big canvas bag of them on some poor kid&#039;s desk at some point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Allowing the teacher to remove herself from the scene presupposes that we ( the teachers) have the autonomy to truly employ the Socratic method in mathematics courses</i></p>
<p>The teacher doesn&#8217;t really remove themselves from the scene. You are critically important for setting up the story, and for setting the beats that move it forward.</p>
<p>But, if it&#8217;s a good story, the kids tell it themselves, and you get to hide in the shadows while they do it. If the teacher weren&#8217;t crucially important for that, textbooks wouldn&#8217;t suck.</p>
<p>Which reminds me: I&#8217;ve got about 40 lbs of nickels lying around here. I&#8217;m quite sure that there will be an opportune time to drop a big canvas bag of them on some poor kid&#8217;s desk at some point.</p>
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		By: Jovan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jovan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Allowing the teacher to remove herself from the scene presupposes that we ( the teachers) have the autonomy to truly employ the Socratic method in mathematics courses.

In a world where teachers, particularly those working in high needs areas, are constantly plagued by standardized test requirements time is not on our side and as such...we have to somehow drive the instruction according to some arbitrarily created calendar or pacing guide.

I&#039;m very interested in your position on textbooks because, quite frankly, it mirrors my own. Textbooks are dull and they tell kids what, how, and when to think about a problem. I want to encourage my students to become thinkers but the materials...and subsequent assessments pull students back into the real of passive recipients of my instruction.

However, assuming that franchising education and allowing students to create their own context for a problem situation are not incompatible...how do we go about delivering this type of instruction while still meeting specific standards in a limited time frame ?

Or is the real answer to the problem...to change the standards to fit real learning ? Instead of arbitrary &quot;grade level appropriate&quot; content is the answer to place students, regardless of age, where they can best function in the curriculum ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allowing the teacher to remove herself from the scene presupposes that we ( the teachers) have the autonomy to truly employ the Socratic method in mathematics courses.</p>
<p>In a world where teachers, particularly those working in high needs areas, are constantly plagued by standardized test requirements time is not on our side and as such&#8230;we have to somehow drive the instruction according to some arbitrarily created calendar or pacing guide.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very interested in your position on textbooks because, quite frankly, it mirrors my own. Textbooks are dull and they tell kids what, how, and when to think about a problem. I want to encourage my students to become thinkers but the materials&#8230;and subsequent assessments pull students back into the real of passive recipients of my instruction.</p>
<p>However, assuming that franchising education and allowing students to create their own context for a problem situation are not incompatible&#8230;how do we go about delivering this type of instruction while still meeting specific standards in a limited time frame ?</p>
<p>Or is the real answer to the problem&#8230;to change the standards to fit real learning ? Instead of arbitrary &#8220;grade level appropriate&#8221; content is the answer to place students, regardless of age, where they can best function in the curriculum ?</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Incidentally, Becky Blessing suggested these questions:

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Which coin is worth the most?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Why would the meter have this disparate money-to-time ratio?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Do the meter makers just not know math?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What if there weren&#039;t a one hour time limit?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What if one quarter equaled two dimes and a nickle? Or one quarter equaled one dime and three nickles? Or five nickels?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, Becky Blessing suggested these questions:</p>
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<li>Which coin is worth the most?</li>
<li>Why would the meter have this disparate money-to-time ratio?</li>
<li>Do the meter makers just not know math?</li>
<li>What if there weren&#8217;t a one hour time limit?</li>
<li>What if one quarter equaled two dimes and a nickle? Or one quarter equaled one dime and three nickles? Or five nickels?</li>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, that&#039;s good stuff.  The cents/minute angle is what interests me most, a fact which is only relevant inasmuch as I know I can sell that angle best.

The parking meter v. covered garage is useful in that it gets kids arguing feverishly but I can&#039;t ignore the possibility that a class of 14-yo&#039;s will have no opinion whatsoever on the matter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s good stuff.  The cents/minute angle is what interests me most, a fact which is only relevant inasmuch as I know I can sell that angle best.</p>
<p>The parking meter v. covered garage is useful in that it gets kids arguing feverishly but I can&#8217;t ignore the possibility that a class of 14-yo&#8217;s will have no opinion whatsoever on the matter.</p>
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		By: Steven Peters		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven Peters]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With my current obsession with units of measurement, I convert these to an appropriate unit, say cents/minute.

Nickel: 2 1/2 cents/minute
Dime: 2 cents/minute
Quarter: 2 1/12 cents/minute

This reminds me of the duct tape picture and the nickel stealing vs. dime stealing.

You could take it in another direction and compare the parking meter to a monthly rate in a covered garage by converting to the same units.  There&#039;s some interesting trade-offs there between not having to feed the meter, convenience of having a reserved space, inconvenience of winding through a narrow garage, etc.  The units could also be converted to $/hour and compared to minimum wage.

I suppose since the coins are discrete, you can do some combinatorial problems as suggested above.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With my current obsession with units of measurement, I convert these to an appropriate unit, say cents/minute.</p>
<p>Nickel: 2 1/2 cents/minute<br />
Dime: 2 cents/minute<br />
Quarter: 2 1/12 cents/minute</p>
<p>This reminds me of the duct tape picture and the nickel stealing vs. dime stealing.</p>
<p>You could take it in another direction and compare the parking meter to a monthly rate in a covered garage by converting to the same units.  There&#8217;s some interesting trade-offs there between not having to feed the meter, convenience of having a reserved space, inconvenience of winding through a narrow garage, etc.  The units could also be converted to $/hour and compared to minimum wage.</p>
<p>I suppose since the coins are discrete, you can do some combinatorial problems as suggested above.</p>
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		By: apharbau		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[apharbau]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good for you, Dan. I think we should consider the value of pulling back as much as possible (sounds fairly constructivist to me) and help students develop their own sense of their world as they can/should see it (mathematically/critically). If an image like this is cheaper/quicker/easier to to help students learn a prescribed skill that the textbook can do more efficiently, then it is simply a fancy distraction, but if the goal is something more, then let the instruction honor the complexities the students can/will draw out of it (with guidance from the teacher). Certainly, you need to continue to guide students in relating a view of the world around them (the image) to the relevant mathematical possibilities, but if the image does the same thing the text can do, then what&#039;s the point?  Also, cripple them, as Ken says will happen, and then provide the soft- or heavy-handed support to help them make the connections to other &quot;real world&quot; contexts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you, Dan. I think we should consider the value of pulling back as much as possible (sounds fairly constructivist to me) and help students develop their own sense of their world as they can/should see it (mathematically/critically). If an image like this is cheaper/quicker/easier to to help students learn a prescribed skill that the textbook can do more efficiently, then it is simply a fancy distraction, but if the goal is something more, then let the instruction honor the complexities the students can/will draw out of it (with guidance from the teacher). Certainly, you need to continue to guide students in relating a view of the world around them (the image) to the relevant mathematical possibilities, but if the image does the same thing the text can do, then what&#8217;s the point?  Also, cripple them, as Ken says will happen, and then provide the soft- or heavy-handed support to help them make the connections to other &#8220;real world&#8221; contexts.</p>
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