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		By: &#187; State of the Art Here&#8217;s What I Think		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#187; State of the Art Here&#8217;s What I Think]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] classroom.Â Â  The posts I&#8217;ve read have been extraordinarily useful&#8230; his ideas for a math lesson based on a photo of a door lock, for instance, are [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] classroom.Â Â  The posts I&#8217;ve read have been extraordinarily useful&#8230; his ideas for a math lesson based on a photo of a door lock, for instance, are [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My Lesson Plan: The Door Lock		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My Lesson Plan: The Door Lock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 04:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Iterate this with two and three buttons until they have generalized permutations. Then maybe you iterate the entire thing with another keypad lock. Then maybe you dip into the comments of the original WCYDWT? post and help yourself to some very-interesting follow-up questions. I recommend Alex&#039;s. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Iterate this with two and three buttons until they have generalized permutations. Then maybe you iterate the entire thing with another keypad lock. Then maybe you dip into the comments of the original WCYDWT? post and help yourself to some very-interesting follow-up questions. I recommend Alex&#8217;s. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some of this points to the conclusion that these would be REALLY AWESOME if they came with video of the lesson being conducted in a live classroom. Like, here&#039;s my writeup of my awesome lesson, etc etc, and now watch me deliver it. It would garner much more relevant critiques, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of this points to the conclusion that these would be REALLY AWESOME if they came with video of the lesson being conducted in a live classroom. Like, here&#8217;s my writeup of my awesome lesson, etc etc, and now watch me deliver it. It would garner much more relevant critiques, too.</p>
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		By: Steve Phelps		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Phelps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was curious about this lock, so I went to the Schlage Locks web site to see what they said about this lock. 

-Code Control, easily programmed at the keypad (19 user code capacity, with 10,000 possible user code combinations)

Is this claim true? 10,000 possible user code combinations?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was curious about this lock, so I went to the Schlage Locks web site to see what they said about this lock. </p>
<p>-Code Control, easily programmed at the keypad (19 user code capacity, with 10,000 possible user code combinations)</p>
<p>Is this claim true? 10,000 possible user code combinations?</p>
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		By: Edthoughts		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edthoughts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was into this, but I teach social studies.  Feel free to skip this if it throws off the flow of conversation... :)

Looking at this as a social studies question, I started with &quot;Why would someone want this lock?&quot;

Students: To keep people from jacking my stuff.
Teacher: Yeah, but aren&#039;t people born as good human beings?
Students: Mostly no, a few yes.
Teacher: Insert discussion about Hobbes and Locke here.

Or if learning about the Bill of Rights:
Teacher: Can anyone break this down?
One Student: Yeah I could in a heartbeat.
Teacher:  Ok, besides_____  who would want to break this down?
Students: Cops
Teacher: Why?
Students: Stop a crime... search...
Teacher: Doesn&#039;t the person who owns this door want it to stay shut?  Wouldn&#039;t the framers of the constitution want it to stay shut?
Students: Yeah but...
Teacher: But what?
Students: What if they did something?

And begin discussion about 4th Amendment rights to privacy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was into this, but I teach social studies.  Feel free to skip this if it throws off the flow of conversation&#8230; :)</p>
<p>Looking at this as a social studies question, I started with &#8220;Why would someone want this lock?&#8221;</p>
<p>Students: To keep people from jacking my stuff.<br />
Teacher: Yeah, but aren&#8217;t people born as good human beings?<br />
Students: Mostly no, a few yes.<br />
Teacher: Insert discussion about Hobbes and Locke here.</p>
<p>Or if learning about the Bill of Rights:<br />
Teacher: Can anyone break this down?<br />
One Student: Yeah I could in a heartbeat.<br />
Teacher:  Ok, besides_____  who would want to break this down?<br />
Students: Cops<br />
Teacher: Why?<br />
Students: Stop a crime&#8230; search&#8230;<br />
Teacher: Doesn&#8217;t the person who owns this door want it to stay shut?  Wouldn&#8217;t the framers of the constitution want it to stay shut?<br />
Students: Yeah but&#8230;<br />
Teacher: But what?<br />
Students: What if they did something?</p>
<p>And begin discussion about 4th Amendment rights to privacy.</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[1) Would it be faster to pick the lock or guess the combination?  (assuming you don&#039;t need both to unlock the door)

2) Wouldn&#039;t it be easier and faster to break the window?  Or are we assuming the window doesn&#039;t exist?

3) Can you come up with an algorithm of guessing that does not use every combination but gets to &quot;the one&quot; faster than straight brute force method?

Personally, I think that this particular image lacks opportunities for inquiry.  Perhaps it was presented with other kinds of door locks leading students to come up with and answer the question, &quot;which is the most secure lock?&quot;

What if a lock recognized 2-5-3-6 as also any of its permutations?  Would this be a better lock?  In other words suppose the combination was 2-5-3-6 but I input the sequence as 3-2-6-5 and the lock still unlocks.  Does this make the electronic lock better or worse and why?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Would it be faster to pick the lock or guess the combination?  (assuming you don&#8217;t need both to unlock the door)</p>
<p>2) Wouldn&#8217;t it be easier and faster to break the window?  Or are we assuming the window doesn&#8217;t exist?</p>
<p>3) Can you come up with an algorithm of guessing that does not use every combination but gets to &#8220;the one&#8221; faster than straight brute force method?</p>
<p>Personally, I think that this particular image lacks opportunities for inquiry.  Perhaps it was presented with other kinds of door locks leading students to come up with and answer the question, &#8220;which is the most secure lock?&#8221;</p>
<p>What if a lock recognized 2-5-3-6 as also any of its permutations?  Would this be a better lock?  In other words suppose the combination was 2-5-3-6 but I input the sequence as 3-2-6-5 and the lock still unlocks.  Does this make the electronic lock better or worse and why?</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@&lt;strong&gt;tiredoldcliche&lt;/strong&gt;, love this bit:

&lt;blockquote&gt;eg GpA guessed a 5 digit code right in 60 guesses,
group B guessed a 4 digit code right in 20 guesses -&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The lack of iterative practice is my fundamental gripe with the lesson plans so far. The students need to be immersed in several different-but-similar situations to practice the skills they&#039;ve learned. Your plan addresses that.

@&lt;strong&gt;Robert&lt;/strong&gt;, this seems to me like a problem endemic, not just to WCYDWT? prompts, but to lecture-based pedagogy in general.

I can&#039;t say I have the solution figured out, but whenever I deploy these media in class, I make it a goal to give each student (or groups of students) something tangible to manipulate, draw on, or work through on their own. Which helps.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<strong>tiredoldcliche</strong>, love this bit:</p>
<blockquote><p>eg GpA guessed a 5 digit code right in 60 guesses,<br />
group B guessed a 4 digit code right in 20 guesses &#8211;</p></blockquote>
<p>The lack of iterative practice is my fundamental gripe with the lesson plans so far. The students need to be immersed in several different-but-similar situations to practice the skills they&#8217;ve learned. Your plan addresses that.</p>
<p>@<strong>Robert</strong>, this seems to me like a problem endemic, not just to WCYDWT? prompts, but to lecture-based pedagogy in general.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say I have the solution figured out, but whenever I deploy these media in class, I make it a goal to give each student (or groups of students) something tangible to manipulate, draw on, or work through on their own. Which helps.</p>
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		By: tiredoldcliche		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tiredoldcliche]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In line with the new Prompt from Dan, how about this:

Starter... 
a few games of the old &quot;mastermind&quot; puzzle - show them the lock and tell the you are thinking of a 3 digit code. let them guess what it is, you just tell them how many digits are correct, and if they are in the right/wrong place
(eg. If i&#039;m thinking 216 but they guess 613, i tell them they&#039;ve got two correct, *but* one in the wrong place)
Use this to experiment, maybe keep a record of how many guesses we take. Play as a class or in pairs.
Work out our average number of guesses. 

Main...
Determine from my simple game how many possible combinations there could be (depending on whether that last key is a &quot;C&quot; or a &quot;0&quot;, 9^3 or 10^3) Assume our average number of guesses is 12, what is the probability of getting it right within 12 guesses? 1% ish - how did we beat these ridiculous odds to get it right so quickly? Talk about logical deductions they made which took the element of chance out of the activity after a few guesses.

Offer them data on different sets of fictional guesses, 
eg GpA guessed a 5 digit code right in 60 guesses, 
group B guessed a 4 digit code right in 20 guesses - 
who was better?

Finish...
Offer them a fake job where a Gang is offering $1,000,000 for an expert code cracker for a bank job. They need to be able to beat odds of 1%. The bank vault has a keypad [1-6] with a 10 digit code - would they hire someone who needed 1,000 guesses? 3,000? 
how many guesses would you be able to have to get the job?

Homework: break into your dad&#039;s safe, steal his stash of expensive cigars and bring them to teacher asap.

Thoughts?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In line with the new Prompt from Dan, how about this:</p>
<p>Starter&#8230;<br />
a few games of the old &#8220;mastermind&#8221; puzzle &#8211; show them the lock and tell the you are thinking of a 3 digit code. let them guess what it is, you just tell them how many digits are correct, and if they are in the right/wrong place<br />
(eg. If i&#8217;m thinking 216 but they guess 613, i tell them they&#8217;ve got two correct, *but* one in the wrong place)<br />
Use this to experiment, maybe keep a record of how many guesses we take. Play as a class or in pairs.<br />
Work out our average number of guesses. </p>
<p>Main&#8230;<br />
Determine from my simple game how many possible combinations there could be (depending on whether that last key is a &#8220;C&#8221; or a &#8220;0&#8221;, 9^3 or 10^3) Assume our average number of guesses is 12, what is the probability of getting it right within 12 guesses? 1% ish &#8211; how did we beat these ridiculous odds to get it right so quickly? Talk about logical deductions they made which took the element of chance out of the activity after a few guesses.</p>
<p>Offer them data on different sets of fictional guesses,<br />
eg GpA guessed a 5 digit code right in 60 guesses,<br />
group B guessed a 4 digit code right in 20 guesses &#8211;<br />
who was better?</p>
<p>Finish&#8230;<br />
Offer them a fake job where a Gang is offering $1,000,000 for an expert code cracker for a bank job. They need to be able to beat odds of 1%. The bank vault has a keypad [1-6] with a 10 digit code &#8211; would they hire someone who needed 1,000 guesses? 3,000?<br />
how many guesses would you be able to have to get the job?</p>
<p>Homework: break into your dad&#8217;s safe, steal his stash of expensive cigars and bring them to teacher asap.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		By: Robert Jones		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hats off to you Dan - you have asked the question that has been on my mind since this WCYWDT appeared here, but I didn&#039;t ask because I thought it would seem too critical.

What does the lesson actually look like?  

What do we actually mean when we say &quot;ask the students...&quot;?  How are they supposed to answer?  By replying to you?  In which case only one student at a time has a chance to speak and every thing they say is filtered by your response (including tone of voice and body language).  

I don&#039;t have a lesson plan, but I would definitely start by saying &quot;take 2 minutes to consider in silence how long it would take to break in. Make notes.&quot;  Then say &quot;Now take another 5 minutes to discuss in groups of 4 the same question.  Prepare questions you would like to ask me at the end of the 5 minutes if you feel you need clarification.&quot;

Not sure where it would go next :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hats off to you Dan &#8211; you have asked the question that has been on my mind since this WCYWDT appeared here, but I didn&#8217;t ask because I thought it would seem too critical.</p>
<p>What does the lesson actually look like?  </p>
<p>What do we actually mean when we say &#8220;ask the students&#8230;&#8221;?  How are they supposed to answer?  By replying to you?  In which case only one student at a time has a chance to speak and every thing they say is filtered by your response (including tone of voice and body language).  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a lesson plan, but I would definitely start by saying &#8220;take 2 minutes to consider in silence how long it would take to break in. Make notes.&#8221;  Then say &#8220;Now take another 5 minutes to discuss in groups of 4 the same question.  Prepare questions you would like to ask me at the end of the 5 minutes if you feel you need clarification.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not sure where it would go next :-)</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry about that. The &quot;how long&quot; abbreviates &quot;how long will it take you to guess the combination?&quot; If the combination is four digits long, then there are 10^4 possible combinations. Multiply that by the time elapsed per combination, etc.

I like the plan. Particularly the use of a dummy variable C for the combination. That&#039;s fun. It isn&#039;t particularly well-scaffolded, though, which most advanced students won&#039;t mind but which will frustrate novices. I think it would be helpful to have novices write a program that will crack a 1-number combination, a 2-number combination, etc., building up to the general case. That might drive the advanced student nuts, however, which is why they call it differentiation.

I like the programming exercise, though it doesn&#039;t use the image for much more than a visual hook or an inspiration. (Not that it needs to do anything more than that.) I&#039;d like to see a definitive lesson plan for math and I&#039;d &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; like the participants to think about they could modify &lt;em&gt;the image&lt;/em&gt; to push the lesson forward.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about that. The &#8220;how long&#8221; abbreviates &#8220;how long will it take you to guess the combination?&#8221; If the combination is four digits long, then there are 10^4 possible combinations. Multiply that by the time elapsed per combination, etc.</p>
<p>I like the plan. Particularly the use of a dummy variable C for the combination. That&#8217;s fun. It isn&#8217;t particularly well-scaffolded, though, which most advanced students won&#8217;t mind but which will frustrate novices. I think it would be helpful to have novices write a program that will crack a 1-number combination, a 2-number combination, etc., building up to the general case. That might drive the advanced student nuts, however, which is why they call it differentiation.</p>
<p>I like the programming exercise, though it doesn&#8217;t use the image for much more than a visual hook or an inspiration. (Not that it needs to do anything more than that.) I&#8217;d like to see a definitive lesson plan for math and I&#8217;d <em>really</em> like the participants to think about they could modify <em>the image</em> to push the lesson forward.</p>
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