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		By: Gina Marie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gina Marie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Dan&lt;/b&gt;&lt;i&gt;So here now is a commitment to four-plus years studying the business of classroom teaching and then, with that experience, doing whatever I can to help classroom teachers better themselves, their students, and enjoy their jobs more. Melodramatic or not: this choice, for me, was a commitment to classroom teaching until death do us part.&lt;/i&gt;

Well said. Just finished my third year teaching and I&#039;ve decided to go half and half. So next year (and years thereafter), I&#039;ll be teaching three classes and taking roughly 9-12 credits of doctoral classes a year. At some point I&#039;ll have to &quot;leave&quot; the classroom, but this was a temporary compromise. 

Best of luck!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Dan</b><i>So here now is a commitment to four-plus years studying the business of classroom teaching and then, with that experience, doing whatever I can to help classroom teachers better themselves, their students, and enjoy their jobs more. Melodramatic or not: this choice, for me, was a commitment to classroom teaching until death do us part.</i></p>
<p>Well said. Just finished my third year teaching and I&#8217;ve decided to go half and half. So next year (and years thereafter), I&#8217;ll be teaching three classes and taking roughly 9-12 credits of doctoral classes a year. At some point I&#8217;ll have to &#8220;leave&#8221; the classroom, but this was a temporary compromise. </p>
<p>Best of luck!</p>
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		By: gasstationwithoutpumps		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 21:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It isn&#039;t the PhD that gets the salary.  PhD-level positions in universities often pay less than starting-level wages for teachers (look at the postdoc salaries sometime).  Even university faculty with PhDs and 28 years of teaching and research experience in engineering make less than an assistant superintendent.

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_13493373
indicates that in Dan&#039;s county, there are 23 administrators at County Office of Education making over $100k a year.
There are hundreds of full professors at UCSC making less than that http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_13741287

The purpose of getting a PhD is to do research or to teach at a university.  Only rarely will it get you an entrance any where else.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t the PhD that gets the salary.  PhD-level positions in universities often pay less than starting-level wages for teachers (look at the postdoc salaries sometime).  Even university faculty with PhDs and 28 years of teaching and research experience in engineering make less than an assistant superintendent.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_13493373" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_13493373</a><br />
indicates that in Dan&#8217;s county, there are 23 administrators at County Office of Education making over $100k a year.<br />
There are hundreds of full professors at UCSC making less than that <a href="http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_13741287" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_13741287</a></p>
<p>The purpose of getting a PhD is to do research or to teach at a university.  Only rarely will it get you an entrance any where else.</p>
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		By: Tim		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan, 

(THANKS FOR BEING INSPIRATIONAL TO TEACHERS AND STUDENTS ALIKE!)

Just felt the need to jump in with a post-script to my original post.  If I know you at all (and I think that you have given us all quite an important insight into your psyche) you may be tempted to take some of these posts personally ... PLEASE DON&#039;T ... 

At least for me ... my comments are not a criticism of your decision ... but rather a commentary on the current American Educational system that requires moving out of the classroom to be part of career advancement.  

Maybe someday  that may change ... maybe someday we will be closer to the social/professional status enjoyed by teachers in some European countries, or have the 1:1 planning to student contact time of many Japanese schools ... maybe .... 

Best of luck ... 

I look forward to seeing more of you in the future, of benefiting from your leadership once you find your new level.

Best regards, (and many thanks for all of your dedication, excessive hours planning for your students and most of for taking the aditional time to share all of this with us in an inspiring way)

Tim]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, </p>
<p>(THANKS FOR BEING INSPIRATIONAL TO TEACHERS AND STUDENTS ALIKE!)</p>
<p>Just felt the need to jump in with a post-script to my original post.  If I know you at all (and I think that you have given us all quite an important insight into your psyche) you may be tempted to take some of these posts personally &#8230; PLEASE DON&#8217;T &#8230; </p>
<p>At least for me &#8230; my comments are not a criticism of your decision &#8230; but rather a commentary on the current American Educational system that requires moving out of the classroom to be part of career advancement.  </p>
<p>Maybe someday  that may change &#8230; maybe someday we will be closer to the social/professional status enjoyed by teachers in some European countries, or have the 1:1 planning to student contact time of many Japanese schools &#8230; maybe &#8230;. </p>
<p>Best of luck &#8230; </p>
<p>I look forward to seeing more of you in the future, of benefiting from your leadership once you find your new level.</p>
<p>Best regards, (and many thanks for all of your dedication, excessive hours planning for your students and most of for taking the aditional time to share all of this with us in an inspiring way)</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		By: Bill Bradley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 03:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Standardized tests are far more than that.  They are politically driven welfare for certain companies, especially ones that have made the proper contributions to the correct politicians. e.g. http://articles.mcall.com/2009-05-22/news/4377849_1_graduation-tests-social-studies-rendell-administration]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Standardized tests are far more than that.  They are politically driven welfare for certain companies, especially ones that have made the proper contributions to the correct politicians. e.g. <a href="http://articles.mcall.com/2009-05-22/news/4377849_1_graduation-tests-social-studies-rendell-administration" rel="nofollow ugc">http://articles.mcall.com/2009-05-22/news/4377849_1_graduation-tests-social-studies-rendell-administration</a></p>
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		By: Brendan Murphy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 01:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good Luck Dan, it looks like you will need it. 

You obviously are more than a classroom teacher always have been. You reached out and touched people with the simple questions like &quot;What Can You Do With this?&quot; We responded by discovering that whining and complaining about piss poor textbooks did nothing, but a simple picture of a measuring cup could incite imagination. 

Go to grad school discover why what we know intuitively to be true, that real math can and should be taught in the classroom. 

What I hate most about teaching and why I am working towards my administration degree is that I can only teach in one classroom, I can only coach a few teachers, my reach is just too limited. I need a bigger stick to make these people listen. We need to change the way we teach or we might as well just forget about it. 

So go get your doctorate and see what you can do with that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Luck Dan, it looks like you will need it. </p>
<p>You obviously are more than a classroom teacher always have been. You reached out and touched people with the simple questions like &#8220;What Can You Do With this?&#8221; We responded by discovering that whining and complaining about piss poor textbooks did nothing, but a simple picture of a measuring cup could incite imagination. </p>
<p>Go to grad school discover why what we know intuitively to be true, that real math can and should be taught in the classroom. </p>
<p>What I hate most about teaching and why I am working towards my administration degree is that I can only teach in one classroom, I can only coach a few teachers, my reach is just too limited. I need a bigger stick to make these people listen. We need to change the way we teach or we might as well just forget about it. </p>
<p>So go get your doctorate and see what you can do with that.</p>
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		By: Tim		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 22:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This whole thread takes me back to a conversation with my late father-in-law.  When I planned to marry his daughter he questioned me about my plans for the future.  I was changing careers INTO teaching - 15 years later I&#039;m still loving it, and I&#039;m still frustrated that my sisters in law and brothers in law ALL earn BONUSES that are larger than my annual salary!

It frustrated me to realize during that conversation with my father in law ... that in my chosen career ... the only way to be considered as having ambition, in the eyes of someone in a &quot;real profession&quot; (law, medicine, engineering ...) is to leave it and move on .......

I wish Dan the best ... and will miss him.  Although I just found him (via TED) He inspired and re-energized my outlook on my 9th grade conceptual physics course ...

Good luck Dan ... you will be missed ... by more than just your future students ....

Tim]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole thread takes me back to a conversation with my late father-in-law.  When I planned to marry his daughter he questioned me about my plans for the future.  I was changing careers INTO teaching &#8211; 15 years later I&#8217;m still loving it, and I&#8217;m still frustrated that my sisters in law and brothers in law ALL earn BONUSES that are larger than my annual salary!</p>
<p>It frustrated me to realize during that conversation with my father in law &#8230; that in my chosen career &#8230; the only way to be considered as having ambition, in the eyes of someone in a &#8220;real profession&#8221; (law, medicine, engineering &#8230;) is to leave it and move on &#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>I wish Dan the best &#8230; and will miss him.  Although I just found him (via TED) He inspired and re-energized my outlook on my 9th grade conceptual physics course &#8230;</p>
<p>Good luck Dan &#8230; you will be missed &#8230; by more than just your future students &#8230;.</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		By: Michelle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michelle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I totally agree with the money part, witness my earlier above comment.  Teachers probably need to have a major strike to change - how did we ever get trapped into this low-income situation?  Do we care more about others&#039; children than they do?   I bet if every teacher decided to not come in, districts and their constituents would cave.

However, in that last part, where I live a person would always be hired back if they did a good job. Why wouldn&#039;t they? What was their reasoning?

Of course, smaller places are better for that, where people know you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with the money part, witness my earlier above comment.  Teachers probably need to have a major strike to change &#8211; how did we ever get trapped into this low-income situation?  Do we care more about others&#8217; children than they do?   I bet if every teacher decided to not come in, districts and their constituents would cave.</p>
<p>However, in that last part, where I live a person would always be hired back if they did a good job. Why wouldn&#8217;t they? What was their reasoning?</p>
<p>Of course, smaller places are better for that, where people know you.</p>
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		By: Dina		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Michelle, with no facetiousness intended-- sounds like heaven. When you find a district that is willing to support such a professional, instead of a district that tells them (as Rafe Esquith so poignantly documented in his first book) that they can&#039;t hire that person again once they&#039;ve left, please let me know. 

Also, &quot;as long as you don&#039;t mind the lack of income&quot; is far too casual for this conversation, I&#039;m afraid. It sounds worrisomely like the currently popular rhetoric of &quot;real teachers shouldn&#039;t care about money.&quot; I&#039;ll let the needs of my two growing children, aging widowed mother, and disabled brother speak as testimony against that statement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle, with no facetiousness intended&#8211; sounds like heaven. When you find a district that is willing to support such a professional, instead of a district that tells them (as Rafe Esquith so poignantly documented in his first book) that they can&#8217;t hire that person again once they&#8217;ve left, please let me know. </p>
<p>Also, &#8220;as long as you don&#8217;t mind the lack of income&#8221; is far too casual for this conversation, I&#8217;m afraid. It sounds worrisomely like the currently popular rhetoric of &#8220;real teachers shouldn&#8217;t care about money.&#8221; I&#8217;ll let the needs of my two growing children, aging widowed mother, and disabled brother speak as testimony against that statement.</p>
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		By: Michelle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 14:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dina, I kind of agree with Garth. There is no reason you can&#039;t go back to teaching in public schools as long as you don&#039;t mind the lack of income. Obtaining a PhD in something relevant, like curriculum, or expertise in your field of teaching, could be useful in the classroom - you&#039;d have more tools to use.
 Rather than the intense reading of other&#039;s studies that Garth mentioned, I think it would be good to branch out on new thoughts, line them out in a curriculum, test them on actual classrooms, and incorporate them in such a way as to make them implementable for many different types of teachers. Then, go back to the classroom, teach it, and see if anything needs retweaking. 
 So, you&#039;d constantly be in the classroom, then out, then in, etc. Until you&#039;re decrepit and have a deep body of knowledge with which to become a doddering old professor at some university.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dina, I kind of agree with Garth. There is no reason you can&#8217;t go back to teaching in public schools as long as you don&#8217;t mind the lack of income. Obtaining a PhD in something relevant, like curriculum, or expertise in your field of teaching, could be useful in the classroom &#8211; you&#8217;d have more tools to use.<br />
 Rather than the intense reading of other&#8217;s studies that Garth mentioned, I think it would be good to branch out on new thoughts, line them out in a curriculum, test them on actual classrooms, and incorporate them in such a way as to make them implementable for many different types of teachers. Then, go back to the classroom, teach it, and see if anything needs retweaking.<br />
 So, you&#8217;d constantly be in the classroom, then out, then in, etc. Until you&#8217;re decrepit and have a deep body of knowledge with which to become a doddering old professor at some university.</p>
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		By: Amy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 21:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hah, this is good for me to read (I&#039;m one year out of college) as my plan is to do a lot of other things first, then &quot;retire&quot; into classroom teaching when those other avenues have been exhausted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah, this is good for me to read (I&#8217;m one year out of college) as my plan is to do a lot of other things first, then &#8220;retire&#8221; into classroom teaching when those other avenues have been exhausted.</p>
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