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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 20:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Alex, I imported the photo into a program called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.geogebra.org/cms/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Geogebra&lt;/a&gt; (which is free) and Geogebra gave me the radii and the angles. The area calculations are a little trickier, but they&#039;re on the paper I scanned.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alex, I imported the photo into a program called <a href="http://www.geogebra.org/cms/" rel="nofollow">Geogebra</a> (which is free) and Geogebra gave me the radii and the angles. The area calculations are a little trickier, but they&#8217;re on the paper I scanned.</p>
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		By: Alex		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 05:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi, 

 I&#039;m a student. I don&#039;t understand your calculations. How did you get the area, the radios and the angle? 

 Thanks!]]></description>
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<p> I&#8217;m a student. I don&#8217;t understand your calculations. How did you get the area, the radios and the angle? </p>
<p> Thanks!</p>
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		By: Michelle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michelle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(Student teaching right now, so NOT doing the math for this. Y&#039;all enjoy.)

On that note, anyone willing to help/discuss elementary ed? I&#039;m teaching all subjects, and the math is interesting in the new books we have. One student was disturbed that she received a wrong mark for adding the equals sign and the answer when the problem asked for the numerical or algebraic expression (4th grade).  We&#039;re actually spending a lot of time and 2 or 3 chapters on these expressions which involve very easy operations. Does anyone have a comment on how/whether this helps with future word problem solving in Alg. 1 or 2?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Student teaching right now, so NOT doing the math for this. Y&#8217;all enjoy.)</p>
<p>On that note, anyone willing to help/discuss elementary ed? I&#8217;m teaching all subjects, and the math is interesting in the new books we have. One student was disturbed that she received a wrong mark for adding the equals sign and the answer when the problem asked for the numerical or algebraic expression (4th grade).  We&#8217;re actually spending a lot of time and 2 or 3 chapters on these expressions which involve very easy operations. Does anyone have a comment on how/whether this helps with future word problem solving in Alg. 1 or 2?</p>
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		By: Michelle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michelle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the button size would be relative if, for instance, they wanted to push you to conserve water while still allowing that sometimes on those irritating low-flow toilets you have to flush 2 or 3 time. 

In that case, the larger button would probably be pushed the most because it&#039;s easier, and should be the lower-gallon flush, and the smaller button should be for the double flush.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the button size would be relative if, for instance, they wanted to push you to conserve water while still allowing that sometimes on those irritating low-flow toilets you have to flush 2 or 3 time. </p>
<p>In that case, the larger button would probably be pushed the most because it&#8217;s easier, and should be the lower-gallon flush, and the smaller button should be for the double flush.</p>
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		By: Aaron		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with #4. Why make the button sizes relative to the size of the flush? Presumably we want to encourage people to use the small flush when possible... which (I think) means we should make the small flush button larger... now how much larger?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with #4. Why make the button sizes relative to the size of the flush? Presumably we want to encourage people to use the small flush when possible&#8230; which (I think) means we should make the small flush button larger&#8230; now how much larger?</p>
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		By: Chris Sears		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Sears]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 03:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I forgot to mention that with two small children, not needing to reach so far to clean under the bowl is a big selling point for me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention that with two small children, not needing to reach so far to clean under the bowl is a big selling point for me.</p>
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		By: Chris Sears		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Sears]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 03:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I saw a this toilet installed on &quot;Ask This Old House.&quot;  &lt;a href=&quot;http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid77585800001?bclid=24407094001&#038;bctid=24432710001&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is a link to the video on installing it.

I remember that they discussed how the toilet works after that segment.  I&#039;m pretty sure that there are two valves on the toilet to make it flush.  The 0.9 gallon button opens one valve, and the 1.6 gallon button works both.  I am going from memory, so don&#039;t hold me to those details.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a this toilet installed on &#8220;Ask This Old House.&#8221;  <a href="http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid77585800001?bclid=24407094001&amp;bctid=24432710001" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is a link to the video on installing it.</p>
<p>I remember that they discussed how the toilet works after that segment.  I&#8217;m pretty sure that there are two valves on the toilet to make it flush.  The 0.9 gallon button opens one valve, and the 1.6 gallon button works both.  I am going from memory, so don&#8217;t hold me to those details.</p>
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		By: ExMathMajor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ExMathMajor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 01:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I love it!

That said, I want to agree with Scott.  Maybe that makes me a bit of a killjoy.  What&#039;s the best design?  The best design is one that works well for people: e.g., is easy for people to understand, is easy to use, is natural and intuitive.  Thus I suspect the best design has one button noticeably larger than the other (so it&#039;s easy to intuit that one causes a larger flush than the other, and easy to guess which one causes a larger flush), yet is chosen so neither button is too small (to make both buttons easy to press for those).  I too think the toilet manufacturer nailed it.

Anyway, I&#039;m classifying this primarily as a design and human factors challenge, rather than a math problem.  (See &quot;The Design of Everyday Things&quot;, etc.)  Still, it&#039;s a fun one for discussion nonetheless!  Thanks for sharing this!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it!</p>
<p>That said, I want to agree with Scott.  Maybe that makes me a bit of a killjoy.  What&#8217;s the best design?  The best design is one that works well for people: e.g., is easy for people to understand, is easy to use, is natural and intuitive.  Thus I suspect the best design has one button noticeably larger than the other (so it&#8217;s easy to intuit that one causes a larger flush than the other, and easy to guess which one causes a larger flush), yet is chosen so neither button is too small (to make both buttons easy to press for those).  I too think the toilet manufacturer nailed it.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m classifying this primarily as a design and human factors challenge, rather than a math problem.  (See &#8220;The Design of Everyday Things&#8221;, etc.)  Still, it&#8217;s a fun one for discussion nonetheless!  Thanks for sharing this!</p>
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		By: Scott		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 20:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In this case, I highly doubt that they ever intended to make the button sizes proportional to the amount of water flushed.

This is an industrial design/ergonomics problem, with a bit of user interface design tossed in.  The 0.9L flush button can&#039;t be too small or it&#039;ll be too difficult to press.  All they really needed to do is represent one button as larger than the other, which they did.  The curve is a nice aesthetic touch, but also serves the purpose of making the small button wider while still maintaining a smaller area.  A straight line divison (see F) is too narrow, making it hard for fat fingers to push it.  Along with the label, I&#039;d say they pretty much nailed it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this case, I highly doubt that they ever intended to make the button sizes proportional to the amount of water flushed.</p>
<p>This is an industrial design/ergonomics problem, with a bit of user interface design tossed in.  The 0.9L flush button can&#8217;t be too small or it&#8217;ll be too difficult to press.  All they really needed to do is represent one button as larger than the other, which they did.  The curve is a nice aesthetic touch, but also serves the purpose of making the small button wider while still maintaining a smaller area.  A straight line divison (see F) is too narrow, making it hard for fat fingers to push it.  Along with the label, I&#8217;d say they pretty much nailed it.</p>
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		By: Jerzy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jerzy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Awesome. This reminded me of several articles, which might inspire you as well...

On the economics of deciding whether to leave the seat up or down:
https://www.msu.edu/~choijay/etiquette.pdf
http://www.scq.ubc.ca/a-game-theoretic-approach-to-the-toilet-seat-problem/

On optimal design of toilet paper roll holders:
http://www.jnd.org/dn.mss/toilet_paper_algorit.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome. This reminded me of several articles, which might inspire you as well&#8230;</p>
<p>On the economics of deciding whether to leave the seat up or down:<br />
<a href="https://www.msu.edu/~choijay/etiquette.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.msu.edu/~choijay/etiquette.pdf</a><br />
<a href="http://www.scq.ubc.ca/a-game-theoretic-approach-to-the-toilet-seat-problem/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.scq.ubc.ca/a-game-theoretic-approach-to-the-toilet-seat-problem/</a></p>
<p>On optimal design of toilet paper roll holders:<br />
<a href="http://www.jnd.org/dn.mss/toilet_paper_algorit.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.jnd.org/dn.mss/toilet_paper_algorit.html</a></p>
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