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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 04:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ha. Awesome. Happy to proven wrong by Technique 17. My copy just arrived by post. I&#039;m looking forward to dipping in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha. Awesome. Happy to proven wrong by Technique 17. My copy just arrived by post. I&#8217;m looking forward to dipping in.</p>
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		By: ironbulldog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 01:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m an English teacher, but I love reading your blog.  I hope you managed to get a copy of Lemov&#039;s book.  It is so instructive.  This really teaches teachers how to teach effectively--and its concrete.

Your comment on on Tom Woodward&#039;s blog implies that Lemov overlooked the technique &quot;feign the curiosity of a novice.&quot;  I wanted to let you know that, as a part of &quot;Ratio&quot; (Technique 17), Lemov states that one way of placing most of the cognitive work back on the students is to &quot;feign ignorance&quot; (p. 94). For example, &quot;A theme is just a summary of what happens in the story, right?&quot;  I love feigning ignorance and I agree that if done with the right tone of voice it can empower students to be teachers for a while.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an English teacher, but I love reading your blog.  I hope you managed to get a copy of Lemov&#8217;s book.  It is so instructive.  This really teaches teachers how to teach effectively&#8211;and its concrete.</p>
<p>Your comment on on Tom Woodward&#8217;s blog implies that Lemov overlooked the technique &#8220;feign the curiosity of a novice.&#8221;  I wanted to let you know that, as a part of &#8220;Ratio&#8221; (Technique 17), Lemov states that one way of placing most of the cognitive work back on the students is to &#8220;feign ignorance&#8221; (p. 94). For example, &#8220;A theme is just a summary of what happens in the story, right?&#8221;  I love feigning ignorance and I agree that if done with the right tone of voice it can empower students to be teachers for a while.</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lucy West&#039;s book, Content Focused Coaching, comes with a CD. I haven&#039;t watched it in a while so I don&#039;t know if this aspect of her teaching shows up frequently in the videos or not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucy West&#8217;s book, Content Focused Coaching, comes with a CD. I haven&#8217;t watched it in a while so I don&#8217;t know if this aspect of her teaching shows up frequently in the videos or not.</p>
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		By: Julie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think that it is actually meant to be punitive for the students that chose to &quot;check out&quot; of your class by giving you the &quot;I don&#039;t know&quot; every single time you ask them a question.  You could ask some of them &quot;what is one plus one?&quot; and would get, &quot;I don&#039;t know&quot;.  So, this very directed method of questioning done from the the beginning of year could be very effective to let those students know that in your class everyone is expected to really participate. 

I would love to see Lucy West do this so I could model it.  My biggest concern was the students that (often) do not understand but really want to.  Many of mine are embarrased enough that they do not know the answer.  I would love to do this with them and have it work in a positive way for them.  I had a thought that you could even start the year off doing this with vocab.  Ask the question once and ask 3 kids to repeat the answer, even when the first student gets it right.  You can never repeat math vocab terms enough.  That way they get used to this methodology and may not be so offended once you start doing it for incorrect answers.

With both senarios I think that being consistent and doing this frequently is going to be key.  My problem tends to be that I read about and use these great ideas for a while but eventually revert back to my old ways.  This is why I need to write on my hand with sharpie.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it is actually meant to be punitive for the students that chose to &#8220;check out&#8221; of your class by giving you the &#8220;I don&#8217;t know&#8221; every single time you ask them a question.  You could ask some of them &#8220;what is one plus one?&#8221; and would get, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know&#8221;.  So, this very directed method of questioning done from the the beginning of year could be very effective to let those students know that in your class everyone is expected to really participate. </p>
<p>I would love to see Lucy West do this so I could model it.  My biggest concern was the students that (often) do not understand but really want to.  Many of mine are embarrased enough that they do not know the answer.  I would love to do this with them and have it work in a positive way for them.  I had a thought that you could even start the year off doing this with vocab.  Ask the question once and ask 3 kids to repeat the answer, even when the first student gets it right.  You can never repeat math vocab terms enough.  That way they get used to this methodology and may not be so offended once you start doing it for incorrect answers.</p>
<p>With both senarios I think that being consistent and doing this frequently is going to be key.  My problem tends to be that I read about and use these great ideas for a while but eventually revert back to my old ways.  This is why I need to write on my hand with sharpie.</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Julie, I watched Lucy West (a math consultant from NYC) do this with fifth graders several years ago and was very impressed by it. She would ask students basically to repeat the answer in their own words to help others understand it better. She did it to pull in students who were struggling with the concept by having them restate someone&#039;s answer with the added bonus of helping other students who might be struggling who got to hear it put another way.

She did it so often, even just during the one lesson she modeled for us, that the kids came to expect it and were in no way offended by it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, I watched Lucy West (a math consultant from NYC) do this with fifth graders several years ago and was very impressed by it. She would ask students basically to repeat the answer in their own words to help others understand it better. She did it to pull in students who were struggling with the concept by having them restate someone&#8217;s answer with the added bonus of helping other students who might be struggling who got to hear it put another way.</p>
<p>She did it so often, even just during the one lesson she modeled for us, that the kids came to expect it and were in no way offended by it.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
		<link>/2010/is-this-what-lemov-means-by-no-opt-out/#comment-259163</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Julie:&lt;/strong&gt; I think that the question would have to be asked with much sincerity from the teacher to not offend the student.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed. It strikes me very much along the same wavelength as the question you ask to snap a drifting student back to attention. It&#039;s pretty easy for that to come across as punitive, when you really want to play the inquisitiveness, as you note, with total sincerity.

&quot;So what do you think?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Julie:</strong> I think that the question would have to be asked with much sincerity from the teacher to not offend the student.</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed. It strikes me very much along the same wavelength as the question you ask to snap a drifting student back to attention. It&#8217;s pretty easy for that to come across as punitive, when you really want to play the inquisitiveness, as you note, with total sincerity.</p>
<p>&#8220;So what do you think?&#8221;</p>
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		By: Julie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 03:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry for the repeat paragraph - new to blogging.  :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the repeat paragraph &#8211; new to blogging.  :)</p>
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		By: Tracie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tracie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 23:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The best day of my year is when I hear, &quot;don&#039;t bother asking, she won&#039;t give you the answer.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best day of my year is when I hear, &#8220;don&#8217;t bother asking, she won&#8217;t give you the answer.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Rich		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 00:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;No opt out&quot; is the very first of 49 techniques in the book, FYI.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No opt out&#8221; is the very first of 49 techniques in the book, FYI.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 23:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Negative. I&#039;ll order a copy. We could book club it a bit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Negative. I&#8217;ll order a copy. We could book club it a bit.</p>
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