<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	
	>
<channel>
	<title>
	Comments on: NCSM 2010 â€” Day Three	</title>
	<atom:link href="/2010/ncsm-2010-%E2%80%94-day-three/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>/2010/ncsm-2010-%e2%80%94-day-three/</link>
	<description>less helpful</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:24:51 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>
	hourly	</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>
	1	</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.2</generator>
	<item>
		<title>
		By: Kate E Farb-Johnson		</title>
		<link>/2010/ncsm-2010-%e2%80%94-day-three/#comment-259739</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate E Farb-Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=6653#comment-259739</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Where do you find rich problems?&quot; I don&#039;t know the answer to this in general. However, so far, I seem to find them when I&#039;m not searching for them, but just keeping my eyes open.

Teaching mathematical definitions by examples and counterexamples reminds me of the game Zendo. I seriously think that playing this game will improve one&#039;s ability to rapidly think of good examples and counterexamples.

I also recommend Jo Boaler&#039;s book.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Where do you find rich problems?&#8221; I don&#8217;t know the answer to this in general. However, so far, I seem to find them when I&#8217;m not searching for them, but just keeping my eyes open.</p>
<p>Teaching mathematical definitions by examples and counterexamples reminds me of the game Zendo. I seriously think that playing this game will improve one&#8217;s ability to rapidly think of good examples and counterexamples.</p>
<p>I also recommend Jo Boaler&#8217;s book.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Karl Fisch		</title>
		<link>/2010/ncsm-2010-%e2%80%94-day-three/#comment-259709</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karl Fisch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=6653#comment-259709</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I watched it (after yours, of course). Got the book after you tweeted something about her.

Here&#039;s the stat (but no reference in the book) from p. 92:

&lt;i&gt;In California in 2004, there was a staggering correlation of 0.932 between students&#039; scores on the mathematics and language arts sections of the tests used.&lt;/i&gt;

Just before that she had referenced the SAT-9, but it&#039;s not clear if she&#039;s talking about the same test.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I watched it (after yours, of course). Got the book after you tweeted something about her.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the stat (but no reference in the book) from p. 92:</p>
<p><i>In California in 2004, there was a staggering correlation of 0.932 between students&#8217; scores on the mathematics and language arts sections of the tests used.</i></p>
<p>Just before that she had referenced the SAT-9, but it&#8217;s not clear if she&#8217;s talking about the same test.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
		<link>/2010/ncsm-2010-%e2%80%94-day-three/#comment-259704</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=6653#comment-259704</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Karl&lt;/strong&gt;, Boaler&#039;s book is shooting up my reading list. She gave a pre-recorded five-minute Ignite talk you may want to check out at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.keypress.com/x24943.xml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this page&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Karl</strong>, Boaler&#8217;s book is shooting up my reading list. She gave a pre-recorded five-minute Ignite talk you may want to check out at <a href="http://www.keypress.com/x24943.xml" rel="nofollow">this page</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Mindy		</title>
		<link>/2010/ncsm-2010-%e2%80%94-day-three/#comment-259703</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mindy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=6653#comment-259703</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[The third multiplication method is called the partial products algorithm. 

You look at each place value in the bottom number and multiply it by each place value in the top number without carrying.  Just write down the ones * ones, the ones * tens, the tens * ones, and the tens * tens.  Then add down like normal.   

So:  (5 *5)  + (5  *  30)  + (20* 5) + (20 * 30)

Some kids really like this method but it&#039;s not very efficient when you deal with larger numbers.

I even find myself using it occasionally, rather than the standard method, which is a great discussion to have with the students.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The third multiplication method is called the partial products algorithm. </p>
<p>You look at each place value in the bottom number and multiply it by each place value in the top number without carrying.  Just write down the ones * ones, the ones * tens, the tens * ones, and the tens * tens.  Then add down like normal.   </p>
<p>So:  (5 *5)  + (5  *  30)  + (20* 5) + (20 * 30)</p>
<p>Some kids really like this method but it&#8217;s not very efficient when you deal with larger numbers.</p>
<p>I even find myself using it occasionally, rather than the standard method, which is a great discussion to have with the students.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Karl Fisch		</title>
		<link>/2010/ncsm-2010-%e2%80%94-day-three/#comment-259701</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karl Fisch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=6653#comment-259701</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m currently reading &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Whats-Math-Got-Subject-Important/dp/0670019526&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What&#039;s Math Got to Do with It?&lt;/a&gt; by Jo Boaler and she cites some research about math and reading scores correlating at about .93 on some California achievement testing (if I&#039;m remembering correctly). She makes the case that our assessments should often be stripped of often confusing contexts for that reason (while arguing that the work we do together in class should be full of context).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m currently reading <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Whats-Math-Got-Subject-Important/dp/0670019526" rel="nofollow">What&#8217;s Math Got to Do with It?</a> by Jo Boaler and she cites some research about math and reading scores correlating at about .93 on some California achievement testing (if I&#8217;m remembering correctly). She makes the case that our assessments should often be stripped of often confusing contexts for that reason (while arguing that the work we do together in class should be full of context).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
		<link>/2010/ncsm-2010-%e2%80%94-day-three/#comment-259699</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=6653#comment-259699</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, right on. DLB noted that if a student stripped off the decimals from [A] and [B] and ordered the resulting whole numbers they&#039;d still come to the correct answer, which makes them really, really lousy assessments. I loved that example.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, right on. DLB noted that if a student stripped off the decimals from [A] and [B] and ordered the resulting whole numbers they&#8217;d still come to the correct answer, which makes them really, really lousy assessments. I loved that example.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Jason Dyer		</title>
		<link>/2010/ncsm-2010-%e2%80%94-day-three/#comment-259698</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Dyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=6653#comment-259698</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[On the decimal question:

A would be answered correctly even by a student that doesn&#039;t understand decimals (.01, .5, 7, 11.4) -- just ignore the decimals and you get the right answer.

B puts everything in hundredths so the student can bypass some understanding. 
Again, like A, if a student compared .60 and .45 they would get the answer right even if they didn&#039;t understand decimals, whereas if they compared .6 and .45 they would need to know about decimal place value.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the decimal question:</p>
<p>A would be answered correctly even by a student that doesn&#8217;t understand decimals (.01, .5, 7, 11.4) &#8212; just ignore the decimals and you get the right answer.</p>
<p>B puts everything in hundredths so the student can bypass some understanding.<br />
Again, like A, if a student compared .60 and .45 they would get the answer right even if they didn&#8217;t understand decimals, whereas if they compared .6 and .45 they would need to know about decimal place value.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: paul thomas		</title>
		<link>/2010/ncsm-2010-%e2%80%94-day-three/#comment-259695</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paul thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=6653#comment-259695</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[ON a different topic, DLB is one of my heroes. She has a no-nonsense approach that emphasizes results. Her organization for the types of knowledge a Math teacher needs to command is good, but I have seen more succinct versions that I really like (I will post a follow-up comment if I can find it). 

Regardless, I like her implication that getting Math teachers who know as much math as possible does not guarantee getting good teachers. Having a Master&#039;s in math does not guarantee you would be a good teacher. You need to know how to manage the question -&#062; response -&#062; feedback/question cycle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ON a different topic, DLB is one of my heroes. She has a no-nonsense approach that emphasizes results. Her organization for the types of knowledge a Math teacher needs to command is good, but I have seen more succinct versions that I really like (I will post a follow-up comment if I can find it). </p>
<p>Regardless, I like her implication that getting Math teachers who know as much math as possible does not guarantee getting good teachers. Having a Master&#8217;s in math does not guarantee you would be a good teacher. You need to know how to manage the question -&gt; response -&gt; feedback/question cycle.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
		<link>/2010/ncsm-2010-%e2%80%94-day-three/#comment-259692</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=6653#comment-259692</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[Looks to be binomial multiplication. (30 + 5) * (20 + 5)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks to be binomial multiplication. (30 + 5) * (20 + 5)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: josh g.		</title>
		<link>/2010/ncsm-2010-%e2%80%94-day-three/#comment-259691</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[josh g.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=6653#comment-259691</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[The decimal ordering lists I think I can follow, but I&#039;m more interested in what the analysis was on those multiplication questions.  Both A and B look generalizable to me but I can&#039;t follow that third one at all.

(Which is a good reminder that it&#039;s useful to catch students doing this before it shows up on a test, so you can just ask them to explain their steps in person.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The decimal ordering lists I think I can follow, but I&#8217;m more interested in what the analysis was on those multiplication questions.  Both A and B look generalizable to me but I can&#8217;t follow that third one at all.</p>
<p>(Which is a good reminder that it&#8217;s useful to catch students doing this before it shows up on a test, so you can just ask them to explain their steps in person.)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
	</channel>
</rss>
