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		By: Who&#8217;s Fault Is It? &#171; The Space Between the Numbers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Who&#8217;s Fault Is It? &#171; The Space Between the Numbers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 16:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] cool group of teachers&#8211;both in my school and in a couple of other schools&#8211;who had a video club. One of the things this group did when they first startedÂ (alas, before I had joined) was to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] cool group of teachers&#8211;both in my school and in a couple of other schools&#8211;who had a video club. One of the things this group did when they first startedÂ (alas, before I had joined) was to [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Touzel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 20:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, you are right. This supports my point. We need to lessen the burden on our teachers. To keep up with professional reading (be it through edublogs, current research, or both), one either gets burnt out, is consumed by their job, or neglects their professional or family duties. None of these options seem sustainable. Perhaps there is a solution I&#039;m missing, though. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you are right. This supports my point. We need to lessen the burden on our teachers. To keep up with professional reading (be it through edublogs, current research, or both), one either gets burnt out, is consumed by their job, or neglects their professional or family duties. None of these options seem sustainable. Perhaps there is a solution I&#8217;m missing, though. </p>
<p>??</p>
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		By: Sue VanHattum		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 14:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[K12 teachers are asked/required to do way too much. I teach community college, and am given way more respect, money, and time for my work. 

It is perfectly reasonable to want balance in one&#039;s life. And who stays online for just 20 minutes? (With you sending them the best of..., it does seem doable. But maybe they subconsciously know that if they let in this trickle, they&#039;ll want more, and then it will be a deluge.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>K12 teachers are asked/required to do way too much. I teach community college, and am given way more respect, money, and time for my work. </p>
<p>It is perfectly reasonable to want balance in one&#8217;s life. And who stays online for just 20 minutes? (With you sending them the best of&#8230;, it does seem doable. But maybe they subconsciously know that if they let in this trickle, they&#8217;ll want more, and then it will be a deluge.)</p>
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		By: Touzel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Touzel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cathy Seeley&#039;s proposed that teachers should be challenged to approach their teaching the way that we ask students to approach their learning: by having to reason, problem-solve, and overcome setbacks. I think the big thing teachers are missing that students (in quality classes) are not is the space to discuss the problem. How many teachers are given this space at their school site? 

Obviously, many teachers have started blogs so that they can do this (which is awesome), but why is the burden on the teacher to do this on their own? I wish we could better set up the duties of a teacher in order to promote this kind of discussion/reflection/problem-solving. Dan, when you write an especially good/relevant post, I forward it along to the rest of my department, but I don&#039;t think they read it. I&#039;ve talked to some teachers about it and they say that they need more balance in their lives, that they don&#039;t want to burn out, that they need to be good parents to their children, and that they don&#039;t have time to read edublogs or current research. On the one hand, I sympathize with their plight because I think it&#039;s real. On the other hand, is it possible to carve out 20 minutes a day 3 times a week to read current research/edublogs? Or, better yet, is it possible to structure this into our job as teachers?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy Seeley&#8217;s proposed that teachers should be challenged to approach their teaching the way that we ask students to approach their learning: by having to reason, problem-solve, and overcome setbacks. I think the big thing teachers are missing that students (in quality classes) are not is the space to discuss the problem. How many teachers are given this space at their school site? </p>
<p>Obviously, many teachers have started blogs so that they can do this (which is awesome), but why is the burden on the teacher to do this on their own? I wish we could better set up the duties of a teacher in order to promote this kind of discussion/reflection/problem-solving. Dan, when you write an especially good/relevant post, I forward it along to the rest of my department, but I don&#8217;t think they read it. I&#8217;ve talked to some teachers about it and they say that they need more balance in their lives, that they don&#8217;t want to burn out, that they need to be good parents to their children, and that they don&#8217;t have time to read edublogs or current research. On the one hand, I sympathize with their plight because I think it&#8217;s real. On the other hand, is it possible to carve out 20 minutes a day 3 times a week to read current research/edublogs? Or, better yet, is it possible to structure this into our job as teachers?</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 16:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nailed it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nailed it.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>/2010/ncsm-2010-day-one/#comment-260360</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 18:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding the decimal question:

List C is the only list that would not be in numerical order if the decimals were omitted. If list A or B was used students who ignore the decimals would still likely order the decimals correctly without understanding the true values of the numbers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the decimal question:</p>
<p>List C is the only list that would not be in numerical order if the decimals were omitted. If list A or B was used students who ignore the decimals would still likely order the decimals correctly without understanding the true values of the numbers.</p>
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		By: paul thomas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Honesty, I wish this post were in separate parts. There is too much to reply to, but here is a shot at some of the highlights:

AnonEngineeringProf: I was at a National Math Panel Forum last Fall and heard something really interesting from one of the researchers. He said that in some very effective schools, they use Geometry to motivate Algebraic thinking. For instance, when you start talking about complements, you logically get to a &quot;what is the measure of this angle here?&quot; moment. When you start with Geometry, which is more concrete, you can give the Algebra a context that it lacks when taught in its abstract own. 

&quot;Cathy Seeley, former President of NCTM, asked why we don&#039;t teach teachers the same way we tell them to teach students.&quot; My answer: Because there is a difference between education and training. This is something that has always bugged me about most teacher professional development. There is a big difference and until PD people understand that, they won&#039;t find effectiveness.

&quot;how do you talk to teachers about their teaching?&quot; I like the focus on what the students know. Talking about the teaching process itself can devolve into subjective judgments that are not helpful. Also, I believe that almost everyone (teachers included) has a hard time judging themselves. They are simply incapable of seeing what they are doing well and poorly. More importantly, it doesn&#039;t matter. All that matters is how well the students went from not knowing to knowing.

Anyway, thanks for the summary. Lots of great stuff here.

--paul]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honesty, I wish this post were in separate parts. There is too much to reply to, but here is a shot at some of the highlights:</p>
<p>AnonEngineeringProf: I was at a National Math Panel Forum last Fall and heard something really interesting from one of the researchers. He said that in some very effective schools, they use Geometry to motivate Algebraic thinking. For instance, when you start talking about complements, you logically get to a &#8220;what is the measure of this angle here?&#8221; moment. When you start with Geometry, which is more concrete, you can give the Algebra a context that it lacks when taught in its abstract own. </p>
<p>&#8220;Cathy Seeley, former President of NCTM, asked why we don&#8217;t teach teachers the same way we tell them to teach students.&#8221; My answer: Because there is a difference between education and training. This is something that has always bugged me about most teacher professional development. There is a big difference and until PD people understand that, they won&#8217;t find effectiveness.</p>
<p>&#8220;how do you talk to teachers about their teaching?&#8221; I like the focus on what the students know. Talking about the teaching process itself can devolve into subjective judgments that are not helpful. Also, I believe that almost everyone (teachers included) has a hard time judging themselves. They are simply incapable of seeing what they are doing well and poorly. More importantly, it doesn&#8217;t matter. All that matters is how well the students went from not knowing to knowing.</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for the summary. Lots of great stuff here.</p>
<p>&#8211;paul</p>
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		By: CLIMEguy		</title>
		<link>/2010/ncsm-2010-day-one/#comment-259651</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan - Your 5 minute talk was priceless. You did pretty much the same thing during our session, but I was so busy making sure that that my recording devices were working etc. that I &quot;missed&quot; your talk. So it&#039;s nice to have this great 5 minute clip to share!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan &#8211; Your 5 minute talk was priceless. You did pretty much the same thing during our session, but I was so busy making sure that that my recording devices were working etc. that I &#8220;missed&#8221; your talk. So it&#8217;s nice to have this great 5 minute clip to share!</p>
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		By: Jackie Ballarini		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jackie Ballarini]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 04:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Sarah&lt;/b&gt; Ah. I hadn&#039;t thought of this from the perspective of a math coach (we don&#039;t have them at my school, do they exist in high schools elsewhere?). The only person from whom I do get feedback is my division head/administrator. From that person I &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; want very specific feedback about me as the teacher.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Sarah</b> Ah. I hadn&#8217;t thought of this from the perspective of a math coach (we don&#8217;t have them at my school, do they exist in high schools elsewhere?). The only person from whom I do get feedback is my division head/administrator. From that person I <i>do</i> want very specific feedback about me as the teacher.</p>
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		By: AnonEngineeringProf		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 03:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hmm.  I&#039;m curious.  Why does Callahan think we should teach more geometry and less algebra?

As a high school student who loved math, I remember hating geometry.  I still think of it as pointless.  One person&#039;s personal preferences are hardly a sound basis for educational policy, but I wonder: Why is geometry so important?

P.S. I guess I can relate to the norms.  They sound like variations on &quot;Don&#039;t judge or criticize the person, critique the ideas&quot; and &quot;Constructive comments (that identify how something could be better) often work better than critical comments (that identify something that went wrong)&quot;.  Sounds like the norms may be about not alienating people and establishing an atmosphere where people can feel comfortable dissecting what works best.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  I&#8217;m curious.  Why does Callahan think we should teach more geometry and less algebra?</p>
<p>As a high school student who loved math, I remember hating geometry.  I still think of it as pointless.  One person&#8217;s personal preferences are hardly a sound basis for educational policy, but I wonder: Why is geometry so important?</p>
<p>P.S. I guess I can relate to the norms.  They sound like variations on &#8220;Don&#8217;t judge or criticize the person, critique the ideas&#8221; and &#8220;Constructive comments (that identify how something could be better) often work better than critical comments (that identify something that went wrong)&#8221;.  Sounds like the norms may be about not alienating people and establishing an atmosphere where people can feel comfortable dissecting what works best.</p>
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