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		By: Matt		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 16:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Dan,

Great post, and I just wanted to add to the growing EdCrowd chorus here.  I helped start EdCrowd (http://edcrowd.com/ -- a StackOverflow implementation) with a number of my friends in order to work on a solution to just the problems you are describing.  For those not yet initiated to StackOverflow&#039;s approach, we made a demo video here:  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EuTzOBuTxs) and a little humorous video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_BJqRaNT0U) about the difficulties of finding good answers to questions about teaching with Google searches.

The transformation that I can imagine good knowledge sharing tools bringing to education is the shift from teachers prioritizing finding solutions to the four or five biggest problems in their classroom (which is as much as one individual can handle) to looking everywhere for issues that could be improved now that the solutions can be crowd-sourced.  

Look forward to hearing your thoughts on the site.  You can reach us at edcrowd@gmail.com]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dan,</p>
<p>Great post, and I just wanted to add to the growing EdCrowd chorus here.  I helped start EdCrowd (<a href="http://edcrowd.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://edcrowd.com/</a> &#8212; a StackOverflow implementation) with a number of my friends in order to work on a solution to just the problems you are describing.  For those not yet initiated to StackOverflow&#8217;s approach, we made a demo video here:  (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EuTzOBuTxs" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EuTzOBuTxs</a>) and a little humorous video here (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_BJqRaNT0U" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_BJqRaNT0U</a>) about the difficulties of finding good answers to questions about teaching with Google searches.</p>
<p>The transformation that I can imagine good knowledge sharing tools bringing to education is the shift from teachers prioritizing finding solutions to the four or five biggest problems in their classroom (which is as much as one individual can handle) to looking everywhere for issues that could be improved now that the solutions can be crowd-sourced.  </p>
<p>Look forward to hearing your thoughts on the site.  You can reach us at <a href="mailto:edcrowd@gmail.com">edcrowd@gmail.com</a></p>
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		By: paul		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 03:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Bill Bradley: You are spot on. K-12 education needs to move to a many-to-many mode especially for ongoing teacher development. In the schools at which I taught, few of the experienced teachers were good mentors. Most of them were only concerned with their own classrooms and had little time to give to a newbie. One could also argue that many of them had few innovative ideas to offer and even less ability to provide good input on how to use new technologies or pedagogical strategies.

How much better would my first years have been if I could have shared what I was doing with the crowd that frequents this blog (or Sam&#039;s or Kate&#039;s, or...) or the twitterers who are on the mathteachers list created by @JackieB? I like the idea of modeling something after the likes of Slashdot. That sort of collegial discussion is really valuable. A repository of ideas is ok, but the discussion and the community are the real special sauces. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bill Bradley: You are spot on. K-12 education needs to move to a many-to-many mode especially for ongoing teacher development. In the schools at which I taught, few of the experienced teachers were good mentors. Most of them were only concerned with their own classrooms and had little time to give to a newbie. One could also argue that many of them had few innovative ideas to offer and even less ability to provide good input on how to use new technologies or pedagogical strategies.</p>
<p>How much better would my first years have been if I could have shared what I was doing with the crowd that frequents this blog (or Sam&#8217;s or Kate&#8217;s, or&#8230;) or the twitterers who are on the mathteachers list created by @JackieB? I like the idea of modeling something after the likes of Slashdot. That sort of collegial discussion is really valuable. A repository of ideas is ok, but the discussion and the community are the real special sauces. </p>
<p>&#8211;p</p>
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		By: Bill Bradley		</title>
		<link>/2010/nctm-ncsm-where-are-the-kids/#comment-260096</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Bradley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 21:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jovan Miles has some excellent reflections on his first five years of teaching at his blog http://jovanmiles.net/tag/the-first-five/  I&#039;ve listed those as recommended reading for people going into teaching regardless of field.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jovan Miles has some excellent reflections on his first five years of teaching at his blog <a href="http://jovanmiles.net/tag/the-first-five/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://jovanmiles.net/tag/the-first-five/</a>  I&#8217;ve listed those as recommended reading for people going into teaching regardless of field.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 11:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;What do the first three years of teaching look like right now to new math teachers?&quot;

I can only speak personally here but when I started blogged in my third year teaching, I don&#039;t think I had much to offer apart from stories about my own excitement, my own failure, my own learning about teaching. That was the extent of my leadership and advocacy. My first three years were all about getting my own house in order. I&#039;m fairly certain those three years would have turned into five had I not found so many effective mentors throughout the edublogosphere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What do the first three years of teaching look like right now to new math teachers?&#8221;</p>
<p>I can only speak personally here but when I started blogged in my third year teaching, I don&#8217;t think I had much to offer apart from stories about my own excitement, my own failure, my own learning about teaching. That was the extent of my leadership and advocacy. My first three years were all about getting my own house in order. I&#8217;m fairly certain those three years would have turned into five had I not found so many effective mentors throughout the edublogosphere.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 11:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jason, if you&#039;re still on this thread, how much do the StackOverflow-style reputation rankings provoke you to answer questions? Do you think that&#039;s an effective incentive to contribute, more generally, for your average experienced teacher? I&#039;m trying to determine to what extent StackOverflow&#039;s success is replicable in our context here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, if you&#8217;re still on this thread, how much do the StackOverflow-style reputation rankings provoke you to answer questions? Do you think that&#8217;s an effective incentive to contribute, more generally, for your average experienced teacher? I&#8217;m trying to determine to what extent StackOverflow&#8217;s success is replicable in our context here.</p>
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		By: Rich		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 17:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great post!  As a new math teacher, I&#039;ve been trying to find resources beyond a scattering of blogs and the friends I made while pursuing my degree.  I teach at a small school where I am the only advanced math teacher, so we can discuss techniques in vague terms, but can&#039;t focus on specific lessons... our shared experiences are few and far between.

I really enjoyed your posts on the NCTM conference, since low professional development budgets and salaries made attending this year outside of my means.  I have this hope that NCTM will continue and that new teachers can eventually take part, because otherwise I have to hope that we can make something work on our own, and that intimidates me.  

So far, EdCrowd looks like a great resource, and I&#039;m looking forward to getting some work done there. 

-- On the question of new teacher leaders: Are mathematicians trained to respect mastery?  We revere our elders who have published and expanded mathematics, while many new teachers have not and may never publish.  I feel that this, along with the first year of &quot;faking it&quot; while teaching, really set me up to look to be led rather than decide to start leading.  What do the first three years of teaching look like right now to new math teachers?  

Why are first-time blog comments always so long? Sigh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!  As a new math teacher, I&#8217;ve been trying to find resources beyond a scattering of blogs and the friends I made while pursuing my degree.  I teach at a small school where I am the only advanced math teacher, so we can discuss techniques in vague terms, but can&#8217;t focus on specific lessons&#8230; our shared experiences are few and far between.</p>
<p>I really enjoyed your posts on the NCTM conference, since low professional development budgets and salaries made attending this year outside of my means.  I have this hope that NCTM will continue and that new teachers can eventually take part, because otherwise I have to hope that we can make something work on our own, and that intimidates me.  </p>
<p>So far, EdCrowd looks like a great resource, and I&#8217;m looking forward to getting some work done there. </p>
<p>&#8212; On the question of new teacher leaders: Are mathematicians trained to respect mastery?  We revere our elders who have published and expanded mathematics, while many new teachers have not and may never publish.  I feel that this, along with the first year of &#8220;faking it&#8221; while teaching, really set me up to look to be led rather than decide to start leading.  What do the first three years of teaching look like right now to new math teachers?  </p>
<p>Why are first-time blog comments always so long? Sigh.</p>
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		By: David B. Cohen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David B. Cohen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 23:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to invite any California teachers interested in teacher leadership to consider joining the Accomplished Caifornia Teachers network.  Our group consists of nearly 150 teachers from all school levels and subject areas and most regions of the state.  Our focus is not mathematics, of course, but one of our aims is to be a resource for our members, so that those in search of models and advice would have a place to look.  We&#039;re also working to amplify teacher voice in policy and media.  My name (above) is linked to our blog, and from there you can find the rest of our info and online presence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to invite any California teachers interested in teacher leadership to consider joining the Accomplished Caifornia Teachers network.  Our group consists of nearly 150 teachers from all school levels and subject areas and most regions of the state.  Our focus is not mathematics, of course, but one of our aims is to be a resource for our members, so that those in search of models and advice would have a place to look.  We&#8217;re also working to amplify teacher voice in policy and media.  My name (above) is linked to our blog, and from there you can find the rest of our info and online presence.</p>
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		By: Bill Bradley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Bradley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 14:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks!  I&#039;ve bookmarked both EdCrowd and BetterLesson.  EdCrowd is much closer to what I&#039;m referring to (if you look at Slashdot, BoingBoing, or Digg you&#039;ll see what I mean).  Something that&#039;s community submitted and moderated. 
   In my view education desperately needs to go from the One-&#062;Many model to the Many-&#062;Many model both in terms of teacher training, collaboration, and in instruction.   I think that the best &quot;leaders&quot; in education will be ones who (like Dan) not only present &quot;This is what I&#039;m doing&quot; but encourage discussion, solicit input, and take feedback.  The new and student teachers that I work with seem equally surprised that I know only share my materials, but ask for feedback on how to improve it.  In my mind that should be the rule, not the exception.
@michael: In terms of teaching vs. better paying jobs, that&#039;s what destroyed Computer Science education in primary and secondary schools.  What I learned in my High School programming classes in the 1980s is now Junior and Senior level CS major material because there is &lt;i&gt;no&lt;/i&gt; computer programming begin taught at lower levels.  Anyone capable could make far more money (and have a better work environment) in industry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!  I&#8217;ve bookmarked both EdCrowd and BetterLesson.  EdCrowd is much closer to what I&#8217;m referring to (if you look at Slashdot, BoingBoing, or Digg you&#8217;ll see what I mean).  Something that&#8217;s community submitted and moderated.<br />
   In my view education desperately needs to go from the One-&gt;Many model to the Many-&gt;Many model both in terms of teacher training, collaboration, and in instruction.   I think that the best &#8220;leaders&#8221; in education will be ones who (like Dan) not only present &#8220;This is what I&#8217;m doing&#8221; but encourage discussion, solicit input, and take feedback.  The new and student teachers that I work with seem equally surprised that I know only share my materials, but ask for feedback on how to improve it.  In my mind that should be the rule, not the exception.<br />
@michael: In terms of teaching vs. better paying jobs, that&#8217;s what destroyed Computer Science education in primary and secondary schools.  What I learned in my High School programming classes in the 1980s is now Junior and Senior level CS major material because there is <i>no</i> computer programming begin taught at lower levels.  Anyone capable could make far more money (and have a better work environment) in industry.</p>
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		By: Cheryl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cheryl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 00:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[New teacher-leaders and potential teacher leaders?  Here in CA we&#039;re busy being laid off.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New teacher-leaders and potential teacher leaders?  Here in CA we&#8217;re busy being laid off.</p>
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		By: Kate Nowak		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate Nowak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 21:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bill - Have you checked out BetterLesson? It was my immediate reaction to your &quot;Where would you go...&quot; question. I don&#039;t know if it fits the &#039;get constructive criticism&#039; piece, but I think it&#039;s the best solution for what you seek that we have so far.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill &#8211; Have you checked out BetterLesson? It was my immediate reaction to your &#8220;Where would you go&#8230;&#8221; question. I don&#8217;t know if it fits the &#8216;get constructive criticism&#8217; piece, but I think it&#8217;s the best solution for what you seek that we have so far.</p>
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