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		By: hillby		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 05:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been going through this blog and some of the others for a few weeks now, and I can emphatically say that this is what I&#039;ve been looking for.  I feel like I get it - and I know that no small part of that is because I majored in physics, not math.  

But understanding it myself, and being able to teach are two completely different things.  So what I&#039;m saying is that you&#039;re dead on about the prerequisites.  If you&#039;re only interested in the &quot;purity&quot; of math, these lesson ideas aren&#039;t going to make sense to you.  But if you&#039;re interested in USING math to accomplish something else, then it all falls into place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been going through this blog and some of the others for a few weeks now, and I can emphatically say that this is what I&#8217;ve been looking for.  I feel like I get it &#8211; and I know that no small part of that is because I majored in physics, not math.  </p>
<p>But understanding it myself, and being able to teach are two completely different things.  So what I&#8217;m saying is that you&#8217;re dead on about the prerequisites.  If you&#8217;re only interested in the &#8220;purity&#8221; of math, these lesson ideas aren&#8217;t going to make sense to you.  But if you&#8217;re interested in USING math to accomplish something else, then it all falls into place.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@&lt;strong&gt;Neil&lt;/strong&gt;, good suggestion. I will keep it in mind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<strong>Neil</strong>, good suggestion. I will keep it in mind.</p>
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		By: monika hardy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[nice Neil. That goes for all of us. We can flap about all we do - but we need to share and listen to what the kids are doing and saying about it.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice Neil. That goes for all of us. We can flap about all we do &#8211; but we need to share and listen to what the kids are doing and saying about it.</p>
<p>:)</p>
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		By: Neil Stephenson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Stephenson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan - while I highly value both the openness and the thoughtfulness in which you share your teaching resources, I do feel that there&#039;s something missing for me - student work.

Your approach to designing work is commendable.  I&#039;ve sent your blog to countless math teachers asking how they can embed authentic, real world situations into their math curriculums.  

What I would love to see is what your students are doing.  

I think in education, and in the blogosphere in particular, we focus most of our time and energy to what teachers are doing.  And you are a master of both creating and sharing your end of the learning experience.  However, I&#039;ve often thought I&#039;d love to see what happening on the other end.

What do students create in your class? What forms do their mathematic thinking take? Do they model like you? What do you count as evidence of deep understanding from your students?  How many kids get it? What do you do when they don&#039;t?  

I&#039;d love to see you collect and share your students work - since this is what matters the most.

Some of the greatest lessons I&#039;ve had have flopped in the classroom - and I learn this from examining the student work...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan &#8211; while I highly value both the openness and the thoughtfulness in which you share your teaching resources, I do feel that there&#8217;s something missing for me &#8211; student work.</p>
<p>Your approach to designing work is commendable.  I&#8217;ve sent your blog to countless math teachers asking how they can embed authentic, real world situations into their math curriculums.  </p>
<p>What I would love to see is what your students are doing.  </p>
<p>I think in education, and in the blogosphere in particular, we focus most of our time and energy to what teachers are doing.  And you are a master of both creating and sharing your end of the learning experience.  However, I&#8217;ve often thought I&#8217;d love to see what happening on the other end.</p>
<p>What do students create in your class? What forms do their mathematic thinking take? Do they model like you? What do you count as evidence of deep understanding from your students?  How many kids get it? What do you do when they don&#8217;t?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see you collect and share your students work &#8211; since this is what matters the most.</p>
<p>Some of the greatest lessons I&#8217;ve had have flopped in the classroom &#8211; and I learn this from examining the student work&#8230;</p>
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		By: bmc456		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 02:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like your style.  The way you pull math from just about any where.  My mind is not wired to think like that, which is one reason, I like visiting your site to gain some new ideas and perspectives.  I am trying to retrain my mind so that I can see the math around me and share that passion with my students.  I feel that I am too stuck in the traditional way of teaching with the same non-engaging problems from the book.  Keep on doing great things and inspiring us other math teachers to attain to bettering ourselves and teaching methods.

when i first started reading your blog, I didn&#039;t think i could use many of your ideas b/c i teach the low level, basic math classes but I see you teach remedial algebra so probably teach about the same skill level of kids.  I need to have more confidence in their ability.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your style.  The way you pull math from just about any where.  My mind is not wired to think like that, which is one reason, I like visiting your site to gain some new ideas and perspectives.  I am trying to retrain my mind so that I can see the math around me and share that passion with my students.  I feel that I am too stuck in the traditional way of teaching with the same non-engaging problems from the book.  Keep on doing great things and inspiring us other math teachers to attain to bettering ourselves and teaching methods.</p>
<p>when i first started reading your blog, I didn&#8217;t think i could use many of your ideas b/c i teach the low level, basic math classes but I see you teach remedial algebra so probably teach about the same skill level of kids.  I need to have more confidence in their ability.</p>
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		By: Maria Droujkova		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve ran into the problem before in my work, and I think I figured it out somewhat. Your writing isn&#039;t messy enough. Process vs. product: the blog posts are polished and the process may not be visible for the novices. Someone experienced would know and see what it takes to arrive, and you do give enough info to approximate that - but not enough for everybody, I guess.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve ran into the problem before in my work, and I think I figured it out somewhat. Your writing isn&#8217;t messy enough. Process vs. product: the blog posts are polished and the process may not be visible for the novices. Someone experienced would know and see what it takes to arrive, and you do give enough info to approximate that &#8211; but not enough for everybody, I guess.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Elizabeth:&lt;/strong&gt; Is there room in your view for a distinction between our becoming skilled *users* of sophisticated, targeted digital media in the classroom and the need to become an army of Steven Spielberg-level *producers* of professional-quality math films and snippets?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, absolutely. I&#039;ll go one farther and throw out the digital media altogether. If you see something interesting in a newspaper or in a magazine, an interesting fact or analysis, do you know how to flip that around, how to obscure parts of the analysis or certain crucial facts and challenge your students to recreate them?

WCYDWT has been about bringing my own learning struggle into my classroom in a way that my students wouldn&#039;t just observe passively but also participate in.

So at a certain point you get sick of just bringing in news clippings and you start copying/pasting interesting things from the web into your slide software. And then eventually you get sick of &lt;em&gt;those&lt;/em&gt; constraints and you start snapping digital photos of interesting things on the way to work. And perhaps at &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; point you start to seek out stronger tools and so it goes. But we can definitely start with non-technical constraints.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Elizabeth:</strong> Is there room in your view for a distinction between our becoming skilled *users* of sophisticated, targeted digital media in the classroom and the need to become an army of Steven Spielberg-level *producers* of professional-quality math films and snippets?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, absolutely. I&#8217;ll go one farther and throw out the digital media altogether. If you see something interesting in a newspaper or in a magazine, an interesting fact or analysis, do you know how to flip that around, how to obscure parts of the analysis or certain crucial facts and challenge your students to recreate them?</p>
<p>WCYDWT has been about bringing my own learning struggle into my classroom in a way that my students wouldn&#8217;t just observe passively but also participate in.</p>
<p>So at a certain point you get sick of just bringing in news clippings and you start copying/pasting interesting things from the web into your slide software. And then eventually you get sick of <em>those</em> constraints and you start snapping digital photos of interesting things on the way to work. And perhaps at <em>that</em> point you start to seek out stronger tools and so it goes. But we can definitely start with non-technical constraints.</p>
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		By: Elizabeth		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elizabeth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Dan - I want to echo Burt&#039;s suggestion of a step-by-step exploded view of layering a textbook application problem in the way you suggested in your ski lift presentation.

Also, FWIW, I want to express my worry that very of us will be able to achieve your level of competence at digital filmmaking and editing. Given my time and talent constraints, it just feels out of reach.

And if that&#039;s going to become the new baseline for being considered a good math teacher, our whole society may be doomed.

I can definitely take other people&#039;s multimedia materials and turn them into effective classroom experiences. But I&#039;d have to become a different person to develop a filmmaker&#039;s orientation.

Is there room in your view for a distinction between our becoming skilled *users* of sophisticated, targeted digital media in the classroom and the need to become an army of Steven Spielberg-level *producers* of professional-quality math films and snippets?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan &#8211; I want to echo Burt&#8217;s suggestion of a step-by-step exploded view of layering a textbook application problem in the way you suggested in your ski lift presentation.</p>
<p>Also, FWIW, I want to express my worry that very of us will be able to achieve your level of competence at digital filmmaking and editing. Given my time and talent constraints, it just feels out of reach.</p>
<p>And if that&#8217;s going to become the new baseline for being considered a good math teacher, our whole society may be doomed.</p>
<p>I can definitely take other people&#8217;s multimedia materials and turn them into effective classroom experiences. But I&#8217;d have to become a different person to develop a filmmaker&#8217;s orientation.</p>
<p>Is there room in your view for a distinction between our becoming skilled *users* of sophisticated, targeted digital media in the classroom and the need to become an army of Steven Spielberg-level *producers* of professional-quality math films and snippets?</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
		<link>/2010/this-blog-is-counterproductive/#comment-254126</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Burt&lt;/strong&gt;: What’s preventing people from reworking a textbook exercise and getting this hands-on practice? Is it lack of multimedia skills? Do you think it is practical to teach us how to create the kind of slides you used in your ski lift presentation? Once people got started, they might want to expand their knowledge of multimedia techniques, but first they have to get started.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is good. I&#039;m at my wit&#039;s end so I&#039;ll take any kind of life preserver but this looks particularly buoyant. I need to formally blog about the exploded view of a textbook application problem (those layers from my presentation) and then perhaps we&#039;ll host a show-and-tell where teachers can submit their own revised examples.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Burt</strong>: What’s preventing people from reworking a textbook exercise and getting this hands-on practice? Is it lack of multimedia skills? Do you think it is practical to teach us how to create the kind of slides you used in your ski lift presentation? Once people got started, they might want to expand their knowledge of multimedia techniques, but first they have to get started.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is good. I&#8217;m at my wit&#8217;s end so I&#8217;ll take any kind of life preserver but this looks particularly buoyant. I need to formally blog about the exploded view of a textbook application problem (those layers from my presentation) and then perhaps we&#8217;ll host a show-and-tell where teachers can submit their own revised examples.</p>
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		By: Breetai		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062; But I really suck at teaching that to teachers.

No, you don&#039;t. I &lt;i&gt;get&lt;/i&gt; what you&#039;re trying to do in your classroom. I feel like a fraud because I should be doing it more, too.  

I enjoy reading your blog, and it has made me work to become a better teacher.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; But I really suck at teaching that to teachers.</p>
<p>No, you don&#8217;t. I <i>get</i> what you&#8217;re trying to do in your classroom. I feel like a fraud because I should be doing it more, too.  </p>
<p>I enjoy reading your blog, and it has made me work to become a better teacher.</p>
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