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		By: WCYDWT &#171; NspireD2: Learning Technology in Higher Ed.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WCYDWT &#171; NspireD2: Learning Technology in Higher Ed.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] to introducing real-world problems. One of the examples of WCYDWT on Dan&#8217;s blog &#8211; Car Talk &#8211; uses images to help students conceptualize a situation. In the overview you saw students [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] to introducing real-world problems. One of the examples of WCYDWT on Dan&#8217;s blog &#8211; Car Talk &#8211; uses images to help students conceptualize a situation. In the overview you saw students [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Monica		</title>
		<link>/2010/wcydwt-car-talk/#comment-272421</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Monica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know much about 18 wheelers, but I do know what I did when my car&#039;s gas gauge was broken...I used the odometer and my car&#039;s average mi/gal.  To this day, the odometer gives me a better sense of how far I can drive than my gas gauge.

This is a different problem, but a realistic one that students are more likely to experience in their lives.  I don&#039;t know of any cars that have their fuel tank exposed or a cylindrically shaped tank.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know much about 18 wheelers, but I do know what I did when my car&#8217;s gas gauge was broken&#8230;I used the odometer and my car&#8217;s average mi/gal.  To this day, the odometer gives me a better sense of how far I can drive than my gas gauge.</p>
<p>This is a different problem, but a realistic one that students are more likely to experience in their lives.  I don&#8217;t know of any cars that have their fuel tank exposed or a cylindrically shaped tank.</p>
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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dissent Of The Day: Mike Manganello		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dissent Of The Day: Mike Manganello]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 03:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Mike Manganello offers a useful critique of Car Talk, pseudocontext, and WCYDWT:  I can certainly accept working definitions that require clarification, but the Car Talk problem confuses the issue [of pseudocontext] (at least for me). I’ve only done a little tweaking to the Car Talk problem: [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Mike Manganello offers a useful critique of Car Talk, pseudocontext, and WCYDWT:  I can certainly accept working definitions that require clarification, but the Car Talk problem confuses the issue [of pseudocontext] (at least for me). I’ve only done a little tweaking to the Car Talk problem: [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: paul		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[just found this
http://blog.virtualnerd.com/2010/11/filling-a-tank-to-a-quarter/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just found this<br />
<a href="http://blog.virtualnerd.com/2010/11/filling-a-tank-to-a-quarter/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://blog.virtualnerd.com/2010/11/filling-a-tank-to-a-quarter/</a></p>
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		By: Alex		</title>
		<link>/2010/wcydwt-car-talk/#comment-272225</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[IMHO one of the best WCYDWT problems I&#039;ve seen.  

Of course my kids said, &quot;Why not just fix the gas gauge?&quot;  But that was easily dealt with by saying that if he&#039;s run out of gas twice and had to pay to get towed or have some trucker version of AAA bring him 90 gallons of diesel that maybe he&#039;s strapped for the cash.  And it sure didn&#039;t stop them from delving into the problem with sincere fury.  It was incredible to watch.

For my geometry class it was an awesome opportunity to use multiple concepts at once:

Trig functions
Area of a circle
Area of a sector of a circle
Area of a triangle

Very well done.  Keep picking up those bricks of gold :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO one of the best WCYDWT problems I&#8217;ve seen.  </p>
<p>Of course my kids said, &#8220;Why not just fix the gas gauge?&#8221;  But that was easily dealt with by saying that if he&#8217;s run out of gas twice and had to pay to get towed or have some trucker version of AAA bring him 90 gallons of diesel that maybe he&#8217;s strapped for the cash.  And it sure didn&#8217;t stop them from delving into the problem with sincere fury.  It was incredible to watch.</p>
<p>For my geometry class it was an awesome opportunity to use multiple concepts at once:</p>
<p>Trig functions<br />
Area of a circle<br />
Area of a sector of a circle<br />
Area of a triangle</p>
<p>Very well done.  Keep picking up those bricks of gold :)</p>
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		By: James McKee		</title>
		<link>/2010/wcydwt-car-talk/#comment-272207</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James McKee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I actually had a trucker come to me a couple of years ago with this problem.  He wanted a dipstick marked off so that he could stick it in the tank and know how many gallons of fuel he had on board.

I went a little different direction and created a spreadsheet that gives the gallons for any particular depth (in inches, since he&#039;s old-school), so that he could use any yardstick/meterstick, or for that matter a tape measure, and we didn&#039;t have to worry about deterioration of the stick.

However, it strikes me that creating a dipstick that is marked in regular gallon intervals (say every 10 gallons) would be an interesting question.  What would such a dipstick look like, and how could we go about creating it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually had a trucker come to me a couple of years ago with this problem.  He wanted a dipstick marked off so that he could stick it in the tank and know how many gallons of fuel he had on board.</p>
<p>I went a little different direction and created a spreadsheet that gives the gallons for any particular depth (in inches, since he&#8217;s old-school), so that he could use any yardstick/meterstick, or for that matter a tape measure, and we didn&#8217;t have to worry about deterioration of the stick.</p>
<p>However, it strikes me that creating a dipstick that is marked in regular gallon intervals (say every 10 gallons) would be an interesting question.  What would such a dipstick look like, and how could we go about creating it?</p>
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		By: Mike Manganello		</title>
		<link>/2010/wcydwt-car-talk/#comment-272045</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Manganello]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’m a little uncomfortable with the definition of pseudocontext being used, as well as what differentiates a WCYDWT problem and an exercise laden with pseudocontext. I can certainly accept working definitions that require clarification, but the Car Talk problem confuses the issue (at least for me). I’ve only done a little tweaking to the Car Talk problem:

The fuel gauge of an 18-wheeler is broken, so the driver decides to check the gas level of his cylindrical gas tank with a dipstick.  When the level of the gas measures 20 inches high, the tank is completely full.  What will the dipstick measurement be when the gas tank is one-quarter full?

Based on the working definition of pseudocontext, this problem fails on both counts. It completely ignores reality: Why wouldn’t you just fix the gas gauge?  Then the problem asks for an irrelevant measurement: Why would we need to know that the tank is one-quarter full? (Personally, I find the Car Talk problem kind of boring and not very mathematically rich.) The only thing that rescues this from the insurmountable depths of end-of-chapter textbook exercise is that it was generated by a real person. Is what divides a WCYDWT problem from a pseudocontext problem is that an actual person generates it from a genuine need?  Is it an issue that it is so easy to transform a genuine WCYDWT problem into a textbook-like exercise? While it is certainly true that there are pseudocontext problems that would (probably) not manifest themselves in someone’s actual existence, there are plenty of exercises that were originally born from a genuine situation and have found their way into mass-produced textbooks. Does that make them irrelevant? Or do we need a better filter?  

Another word of caution: Mathematics is part utility and part artistry. By limiting mathematical study to problems related to genuine physical phenomena can only serve to retard the growth of mathematics. Many branches of mathematics, especially those pioneered last century, could not survive if physical use for the mathematics were a necessary condition of research. (For example, the cubic formula would never have been developed if Tartaglia and Cardano had not manipulated of square roots of negative numbers without really understanding what they were.) Indeed, sometimes mathematicians describe patterns, not because the patterns are useful but because the patterns are there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m a little uncomfortable with the definition of pseudocontext being used, as well as what differentiates a WCYDWT problem and an exercise laden with pseudocontext. I can certainly accept working definitions that require clarification, but the Car Talk problem confuses the issue (at least for me). I’ve only done a little tweaking to the Car Talk problem:</p>
<p>The fuel gauge of an 18-wheeler is broken, so the driver decides to check the gas level of his cylindrical gas tank with a dipstick.  When the level of the gas measures 20 inches high, the tank is completely full.  What will the dipstick measurement be when the gas tank is one-quarter full?</p>
<p>Based on the working definition of pseudocontext, this problem fails on both counts. It completely ignores reality: Why wouldn’t you just fix the gas gauge?  Then the problem asks for an irrelevant measurement: Why would we need to know that the tank is one-quarter full? (Personally, I find the Car Talk problem kind of boring and not very mathematically rich.) The only thing that rescues this from the insurmountable depths of end-of-chapter textbook exercise is that it was generated by a real person. Is what divides a WCYDWT problem from a pseudocontext problem is that an actual person generates it from a genuine need?  Is it an issue that it is so easy to transform a genuine WCYDWT problem into a textbook-like exercise? While it is certainly true that there are pseudocontext problems that would (probably) not manifest themselves in someone’s actual existence, there are plenty of exercises that were originally born from a genuine situation and have found their way into mass-produced textbooks. Does that make them irrelevant? Or do we need a better filter?  </p>
<p>Another word of caution: Mathematics is part utility and part artistry. By limiting mathematical study to problems related to genuine physical phenomena can only serve to retard the growth of mathematics. Many branches of mathematics, especially those pioneered last century, could not survive if physical use for the mathematics were a necessary condition of research. (For example, the cubic formula would never have been developed if Tartaglia and Cardano had not manipulated of square roots of negative numbers without really understanding what they were.) Indeed, sometimes mathematicians describe patterns, not because the patterns are useful but because the patterns are there.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
		<link>/2010/wcydwt-car-talk/#comment-271918</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 18:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Barry&lt;/strong&gt; and &lt;strong&gt;Karl&#039;s&lt;/strong&gt; extensions are fab.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Barry</strong> and <strong>Karl&#8217;s</strong> extensions are fab.</p>
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		By: Sue VanHattum		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sue VanHattum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Barry, I &lt;i&gt;love&lt;/i&gt; your problem. It sounds much harder, though. Do you have any details? I might offer it as extra credit somehow to my calc II students next semester.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, I <i>love</i> your problem. It sounds much harder, though. Do you have any details? I might offer it as extra credit somehow to my calc II students next semester.</p>
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		By: Ben Blum-Smith		</title>
		<link>/2010/wcydwt-car-talk/#comment-271876</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Blum-Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 13:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scooped!  I had this filed and I was totally going to post on it!  (But I committed to not posting again until a) my grad school applications are in and b) I was finished with a particular long-overdue post that&#039;s not this.  So I got rolled on ;)

But this is a much better outcome.  My post wouldn&#039;t have reached the same readership nor had the same dramatic photos.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scooped!  I had this filed and I was totally going to post on it!  (But I committed to not posting again until a) my grad school applications are in and b) I was finished with a particular long-overdue post that&#8217;s not this.  So I got rolled on ;)</p>
<p>But this is a much better outcome.  My post wouldn&#8217;t have reached the same readership nor had the same dramatic photos.</p>
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