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		By: Chad		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 12:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This lesson worked pretty well as an introduction to exponential growth and functions. It even got some of the more reserved students excited, which was cool. Thanks for the video!

Looking at the video some more and doing some calculations, I would bet that the original domino has dimensions of 10 mm high by 5 mm wide by 1 mm thick. Using those numbers (and a ratio of 1.5), the 13th domino ends up being 4&#039;3&quot; tall, 2&#039;1.5&quot; wide and 5&quot; thick which seems quite reasonable with what is shown in the video. My guess is that maybe he just misspoke and the width was actually the 5 mm dimension. Anyway, I have already mentioned how the height to thickness ratio cannot be 5:1.

Anyway, if you want to end up with dominos that look like the ones in the video, I would use the starting dimensions of 10 mm high by 5 mm wide by 1 mm thick.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This lesson worked pretty well as an introduction to exponential growth and functions. It even got some of the more reserved students excited, which was cool. Thanks for the video!</p>
<p>Looking at the video some more and doing some calculations, I would bet that the original domino has dimensions of 10 mm high by 5 mm wide by 1 mm thick. Using those numbers (and a ratio of 1.5), the 13th domino ends up being 4&#8217;3&#8243; tall, 2&#8217;1.5&#8243; wide and 5&#8243; thick which seems quite reasonable with what is shown in the video. My guess is that maybe he just misspoke and the width was actually the 5 mm dimension. Anyway, I have already mentioned how the height to thickness ratio cannot be 5:1.</p>
<p>Anyway, if you want to end up with dominos that look like the ones in the video, I would use the starting dimensions of 10 mm high by 5 mm wide by 1 mm thick.</p>
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		By: Natalie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi - thanks so much for the resources on this, it is really interesting and I&#039;m looking forward to using it, but I would appreciate some help on the question of the dimensions ... by my reckoning for the 13th domino to be over a metre tall the first one would have to be bigger than 7.7mm high. That&#039;s going to make quite a large difference as students work out the dimensions of the other dominos - did you ask the skyscraper question assuming the first domino was 5mm high or after asking students to work out what the actual height must have been??  Many thanks!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; thanks so much for the resources on this, it is really interesting and I&#8217;m looking forward to using it, but I would appreciate some help on the question of the dimensions &#8230; by my reckoning for the 13th domino to be over a metre tall the first one would have to be bigger than 7.7mm high. That&#8217;s going to make quite a large difference as students work out the dimensions of the other dominos &#8211; did you ask the skyscraper question assuming the first domino was 5mm high or after asking students to work out what the actual height must have been??  Many thanks!!</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not a lawyer, but if it were me I&#039;d do it. I tend to ask forgiveness later rather than permission now, though. I won&#039;t be surprised if that lesson gets a takedown notice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer, but if it were me I&#8217;d do it. I tend to ask forgiveness later rather than permission now, though. I won&#8217;t be surprised if that lesson gets a takedown notice.</p>
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		By: Josh		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Quick question about the images of the skyscrapers.  The website says that it is copyrighted material.  Is it alright to use in a classroom?  To project or to make copies for kids?  Should permission be asked?  I am assuming that is for commercial use, and we know education is far from being a commercial enterprise, save for those online gizmos and degrees you can buy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick question about the images of the skyscrapers.  The website says that it is copyrighted material.  Is it alright to use in a classroom?  To project or to make copies for kids?  Should permission be asked?  I am assuming that is for commercial use, and we know education is far from being a commercial enterprise, save for those online gizmos and degrees you can buy.</p>
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		By: Physics homework with dominoes &#171; Gas station without pumps		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 08:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] in the problem of modeling domino chains (see, for example, the video on the dy/dan blogÂ  [3ACTS] Domino Skyscraper).Â  This problem is harder than the ones in the book, as it requires careful thinking about how [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] in the problem of modeling domino chains (see, for example, the video on the dy/dan blogÂ  [3ACTS] Domino Skyscraper).Â  This problem is harder than the ones in the book, as it requires careful thinking about how [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Matt		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 23:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I used this in class with two of my Algebra 2 classes today.  The kids liked it and were intrigued by the problem overall!

Some things that could be improved for the skyscraper question itself:

There are issues with the measurements and/or the 1.5 ratio as previously stated going from the 1st domino to the 13th or 14th one it doesn&#039;t make it tall enough.  A good thing about this is that it led to some interesting discussions about where the error could come in.  It also forced my students to conceptualize a little more about how big 5 mm and 1 m are.

It would be better if you could see all of the dominoes more clearly.  We were trying to count if there were actually 13 and it was too hard to tell.

The reveal was a little disappointing.  Not that you should actually make a domino the size a skyscraper, but something more than just telling us.

The other thing that the kids were really curious about was where the 1.5 came from.  They also wanted to know if it made any difference where the domino hit the next domino.  I would like to come back to this problem when we do sequences and series as I think it would fairly interesting for them.

Thanks for another interesting problem!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used this in class with two of my Algebra 2 classes today.  The kids liked it and were intrigued by the problem overall!</p>
<p>Some things that could be improved for the skyscraper question itself:</p>
<p>There are issues with the measurements and/or the 1.5 ratio as previously stated going from the 1st domino to the 13th or 14th one it doesn&#8217;t make it tall enough.  A good thing about this is that it led to some interesting discussions about where the error could come in.  It also forced my students to conceptualize a little more about how big 5 mm and 1 m are.</p>
<p>It would be better if you could see all of the dominoes more clearly.  We were trying to count if there were actually 13 and it was too hard to tell.</p>
<p>The reveal was a little disappointing.  Not that you should actually make a domino the size a skyscraper, but something more than just telling us.</p>
<p>The other thing that the kids were really curious about was where the 1.5 came from.  They also wanted to know if it made any difference where the domino hit the next domino.  I would like to come back to this problem when we do sequences and series as I think it would fairly interesting for them.</p>
<p>Thanks for another interesting problem!</p>
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		By: Simon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 22:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the clarification Dan.
So in some cases the teacher is allowed to direct the students to a particular problem.
I was not understanding that before, thinking you wanted the students to &#039;intuit&#039; that link (to skyscrapers) themselves.
Silly me!
I have to agree the skyscraper question *once posed* was intriguing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification Dan.<br />
So in some cases the teacher is allowed to direct the students to a particular problem.<br />
I was not understanding that before, thinking you wanted the students to &#8216;intuit&#8217; that link (to skyscrapers) themselves.<br />
Silly me!<br />
I have to agree the skyscraper question *once posed* was intriguing.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 22:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t ask students for their questions if those questions don&#039;t interest me or if I&#039;m unprepared to take them somewhere. Or if I don&#039;t think the problem space lends itself to more than one question. I&#039;d say I&#039;m happy to take the pyramid of pennies, the water tank, and the ticket roll (to name three) anywhere the class wants to take them. Otherwise, I just ask the question I&#039;d like them to consider.

So the fact that neither you nor a student would naturally wonder the question, &quot;How many dominoes would you need to knock over a skyscraper?&quot; isn&#039;t material to me. (I wouldn&#039;t wonder it naturally either but once it was posed, I found it engrossing. Which is unusual, for me.) In &lt;a href=&quot;http://threeacts.mrmeyer.com/dominoskyscraper/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the lesson plan&lt;/a&gt;, I don&#039;t invite the teacher to ask her students for their questions. I invite her to just ask the question.

There&#039;s a larger issue here about the extent to which every video or photo is a manipulation by virtue of the videographer or photographer having selected an angle for the lens and a location for the tripod, but I find it all kind of dizzying at the moment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t ask students for their questions if those questions don&#8217;t interest me or if I&#8217;m unprepared to take them somewhere. Or if I don&#8217;t think the problem space lends itself to more than one question. I&#8217;d say I&#8217;m happy to take the pyramid of pennies, the water tank, and the ticket roll (to name three) anywhere the class wants to take them. Otherwise, I just ask the question I&#8217;d like them to consider.</p>
<p>So the fact that neither you nor a student would naturally wonder the question, &#8220;How many dominoes would you need to knock over a skyscraper?&#8221; isn&#8217;t material to me. (I wouldn&#8217;t wonder it naturally either but once it was posed, I found it engrossing. Which is unusual, for me.) In <a href="http://threeacts.mrmeyer.com/dominoskyscraper/" rel="nofollow">the lesson plan</a>, I don&#8217;t invite the teacher to ask her students for their questions. I invite her to just ask the question.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a larger issue here about the extent to which every video or photo is a manipulation by virtue of the videographer or photographer having selected an angle for the lens and a location for the tripod, but I find it all kind of dizzying at the moment.</p>
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		By: Christopher Danielson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh...and I gotta admit my mind didn&#039;t go to skyscrapers at all. &lt;i&gt;How big is the fourteenth domino?&lt;/i&gt; was mine, and maybe, &lt;i&gt;How many such dominoes can fit in this hallway?&lt;/i&gt;

But let&#039;s assume my mind does go to skyscrapers...I&#039;m pretty unsatisfied by the reveal in Act Three. The man tells me. But as other readers have noted above, the man&#039;s domino scale factors are not perfectly reliable. I guess I don&#039;t have a problem with an unreliable narrator. Should I?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh&#8230;and I gotta admit my mind didn&#8217;t go to skyscrapers at all. <i>How big is the fourteenth domino?</i> was mine, and maybe, <i>How many such dominoes can fit in this hallway?</i></p>
<p>But let&#8217;s assume my mind does go to skyscrapers&#8230;I&#8217;m pretty unsatisfied by the reveal in Act Three. The man tells me. But as other readers have noted above, the man&#8217;s domino scale factors are not perfectly reliable. I guess I don&#8217;t have a problem with an unreliable narrator. Should I?</p>
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		By: Christopher Danielson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Dan:&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;First, I don’t know what math students could do to resolve the question, “Will the dominoes topple?” &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Me either. I&#039;d better sign up for &lt;strong&gt;Brittany&#039;s&lt;/strong&gt; physics class, I suppose.

&lt;strong&gt;Dan&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Second, I don’t “want” you to ask a question. I want to present you a scenario that’s rich in questions and see if mathematical tools can offer you some answers. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
But you want me (as a student) to ask questions of a particular type. You don&#039;t &quot;want&quot; me to ask whether the dominoes will fall, so you show me the answer to that. And by the way, I&#039;m totally cool with that; I think it&#039;s part of the teacher&#039;s responsibility.

&lt;strong&gt;Dan&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;It’ll pay off massively negative dividends to pretend a problem space is open when it really isn’t, to ask a student for their questions when you’re only interested in your own.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Agreed. 

But don&#039;t you spend quite a bit of time and burn quite a few calories shaping classroom media in such a way that particular questions have high probabilities of popping up in classrooms? Again, I&#039;m cool with that, but I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d describe Dan Meyer problem spaces as being particularly &quot;open&quot;. Nor do I think they pretend to be; they are fabulous at opening students&#039; eyes to the mathematics they may not have previously noticed in their worlds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Dan:</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>First, I don’t know what math students could do to resolve the question, “Will the dominoes topple?” </p></blockquote>
<p>Me either. I&#8217;d better sign up for <strong>Brittany&#8217;s</strong> physics class, I suppose.</p>
<p><strong>Dan</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Second, I don’t “want” you to ask a question. I want to present you a scenario that’s rich in questions and see if mathematical tools can offer you some answers. </p></blockquote>
<p>But you want me (as a student) to ask questions of a particular type. You don&#8217;t &#8220;want&#8221; me to ask whether the dominoes will fall, so you show me the answer to that. And by the way, I&#8217;m totally cool with that; I think it&#8217;s part of the teacher&#8217;s responsibility.</p>
<p><strong>Dan</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>It’ll pay off massively negative dividends to pretend a problem space is open when it really isn’t, to ask a student for their questions when you’re only interested in your own.</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed. </p>
<p>But don&#8217;t you spend quite a bit of time and burn quite a few calories shaping classroom media in such a way that particular questions have high probabilities of popping up in classrooms? Again, I&#8217;m cool with that, but I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d describe Dan Meyer problem spaces as being particularly &#8220;open&#8221;. Nor do I think they pretend to be; they are fabulous at opening students&#8217; eyes to the mathematics they may not have previously noticed in their worlds.</p>
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