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		By: Any questions? [#anyqs] &#124; Bernard Blogt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Any questions? [#anyqs] &#124; Bernard Blogt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 21:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Dan Meyer heeft een korte video gemaakt over de lichtsnelheid naar aanleiding van een simulatie op Wikipedia. Twee vragen komen snel naar boven: welke simulatie geeft het beste aan wat de lichtsnelheid doet en is de tekening met aarde en maan wel in verhouding getekend. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Dan Meyer heeft een korte video gemaakt over de lichtsnelheid naar aanleiding van een simulatie op Wikipedia. Twee vragen komen snel naar boven: welke simulatie geeft het beste aan wat de lichtsnelheid doet en is de tekening met aarde en maan wel in verhouding getekend. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Application of a framework &#124; Overthinking my teaching		</title>
		<link>/2011/anyqs-speed-of-light/#comment-320997</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Application of a framework &#124; Overthinking my teaching]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 12:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Meyer busted out a new #anyqs video the other day. If you haven&#8217;t already, watch it before you read [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Meyer busted out a new #anyqs video the other day. If you haven&#8217;t already, watch it before you read [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: gasstationwithoutpumps		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 05:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I saw a couple of dots and a guy playing with a flashlight.  There was nothing in the video that suggested the speed of light–only the title for the blog post.

Sorry, this one evokes nothing but boredom for me.

Even after an explanation, it is dull.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a couple of dots and a guy playing with a flashlight.  There was nothing in the video that suggested the speed of light–only the title for the blog post.</p>
<p>Sorry, this one evokes nothing but boredom for me.</p>
<p>Even after an explanation, it is dull.</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thinking as a student and not a physicist, we can see light from the sun and stars because they are BIG, so it makes sense that we can see their light billions of miles away.  

But if a star is so far out there it is possible that we can&#039;t see the light.   With that said, is a house hold flashlight intense enough to be seen from the moon?  

With that said, does ANY light from that flashlight reach the moon, even on a clear night?  

Something here seems anti-intuitive for me that doesn&#039;t seem to meet Dan&#039;s three-act theory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking as a student and not a physicist, we can see light from the sun and stars because they are BIG, so it makes sense that we can see their light billions of miles away.  </p>
<p>But if a star is so far out there it is possible that we can&#8217;t see the light.   With that said, is a house hold flashlight intense enough to be seen from the moon?  </p>
<p>With that said, does ANY light from that flashlight reach the moon, even on a clear night?  </p>
<p>Something here seems anti-intuitive for me that doesn&#8217;t seem to meet Dan&#8217;s three-act theory.</p>
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		By: Jan van Hulzen		</title>
		<link>/2011/anyqs-speed-of-light/#comment-319834</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan van Hulzen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 06:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nasa has been researching this question as part of Apollo 11. 

See for example : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nasa has been researching this question as part of Apollo 11. </p>
<p>See for example : <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment</a></p>
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		By: Scott		</title>
		<link>/2011/anyqs-speed-of-light/#comment-319819</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 06:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[p.s. I was looking at this question in my pre-calc text and they just reduced it into plug&#039;n&#039;chug.

http://scottfarrar.com/ma2011/speed%20of%20light%20demana.PNG

I felt they were asking things backwards too.  We didn&#039;t know the speed of light when we were asking &quot;How far is the Sun?&quot;  And we&#039;re just given the Moon&#039;s distance?  How droll.

What kind of prompt lets our students ask, 
1.  &quot;How far is the moon?&quot;
2.  &quot;How big is the Earth?&quot;
3.  &quot;How far is the sun?&quot;
4.  &quot;How big is the sun/moon?&quot;

#2 is in Michael Serra&#039;s Discovering Geometry.  But the &quot;real&quot; solution to it involves travelling to the equator :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. I was looking at this question in my pre-calc text and they just reduced it into plug&#8217;n&#8217;chug.</p>
<p><a href="http://scottfarrar.com/ma2011/speed%20of%20light%20demana.PNG" rel="nofollow ugc">http://scottfarrar.com/ma2011/speed%20of%20light%20demana.PNG</a></p>
<p>I felt they were asking things backwards too.  We didn&#8217;t know the speed of light when we were asking &#8220;How far is the Sun?&#8221;  And we&#8217;re just given the Moon&#8217;s distance?  How droll.</p>
<p>What kind of prompt lets our students ask,<br />
1.  &#8220;How far is the moon?&#8221;<br />
2.  &#8220;How big is the Earth?&#8221;<br />
3.  &#8220;How far is the sun?&#8221;<br />
4.  &#8220;How big is the sun/moon?&#8221;</p>
<p>#2 is in Michael Serra&#8217;s Discovering Geometry.  But the &#8220;real&#8221; solution to it involves travelling to the equator :)</p>
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		By: Scott		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 06:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;What are the dots?&quot;

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David: the first one isn&#039;t quite instantaneous.  Its just much faster.

I think you&#039;re right that the speed of light is a tough concept, but what I find more difficult is to fully grasp the vast distances in astronomy.

Ask anyone to try to draw the Earth and Moon to scale, along with their to-scale distance.  How many will come remotely close?

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Ok, I have a new question.  &quot;How long is the second beam of light?&quot;  7 light seconds?  

Actually in just looking this up... that means the 2nd dot is not the moon.  What the heck is 13 light seconds away from Earth?  Whole lot of nothin!

And the first dot?  Too close for the moon.  ISS?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What are the dots?&#8221;</p>
<p>===========</p>
<p>David: the first one isn&#8217;t quite instantaneous.  Its just much faster.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right that the speed of light is a tough concept, but what I find more difficult is to fully grasp the vast distances in astronomy.</p>
<p>Ask anyone to try to draw the Earth and Moon to scale, along with their to-scale distance.  How many will come remotely close?</p>
<p>===========</p>
<p>Ok, I have a new question.  &#8220;How long is the second beam of light?&#8221;  7 light seconds?  </p>
<p>Actually in just looking this up&#8230; that means the 2nd dot is not the moon.  What the heck is 13 light seconds away from Earth?  Whole lot of nothin!</p>
<p>And the first dot?  Too close for the moon.  ISS?</p>
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		By: David Wees		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Wees]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 20:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I looked at the video, and saw the circles on either side of the video, I was unsure what they represented, but I noticed that they were of different sizes. My assumption, once you shown the light upward, is that you wanted to compare the difference between light travelling instantaneously between Earth and the Moon, and light travelling at the speed of light instead, in which it takes a measurable amount of time for light to travel between the Earth and the Moon.

Explaining that light has a speed, and that despite our  common sense judgement that it travels instantaneously fast, it actually travels much slower, is quite a difficult thing to do. The problem really is that at the scales we are used to dealing with on an everyday basis, light IS essentially instantaneous.

I think, in order for your video to work, students will have to understand a fair bit about light &#038; distances between the sun and the moon to be able to even see the question that is being asked. I would imagine that your video poses an interesting question for students in an upper high school level or 1st year university physics course, which is not a bad target market.

I wonder if a game could be written which actually took the speed of light &#038; relativistic effects into account, and allowed students to play around with the idea of a maximum speed of light at more human comprehensible scales, would help people understand these concepts more deeply than the ability to manipulate the formulas and get &quot;the answer.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I looked at the video, and saw the circles on either side of the video, I was unsure what they represented, but I noticed that they were of different sizes. My assumption, once you shown the light upward, is that you wanted to compare the difference between light travelling instantaneously between Earth and the Moon, and light travelling at the speed of light instead, in which it takes a measurable amount of time for light to travel between the Earth and the Moon.</p>
<p>Explaining that light has a speed, and that despite our  common sense judgement that it travels instantaneously fast, it actually travels much slower, is quite a difficult thing to do. The problem really is that at the scales we are used to dealing with on an everyday basis, light IS essentially instantaneous.</p>
<p>I think, in order for your video to work, students will have to understand a fair bit about light &amp; distances between the sun and the moon to be able to even see the question that is being asked. I would imagine that your video poses an interesting question for students in an upper high school level or 1st year university physics course, which is not a bad target market.</p>
<p>I wonder if a game could be written which actually took the speed of light &amp; relativistic effects into account, and allowed students to play around with the idea of a maximum speed of light at more human comprehensible scales, would help people understand these concepts more deeply than the ability to manipulate the formulas and get &#8220;the answer.&#8221;</p>
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