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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Education Week Webinar feat. Yours Truly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Education Week Webinar feat. Yours Truly]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Fisch reminds me in the comments that I&#039;m giving a webinar a week from tomorrow for Education Week. That&#039;s February 24, 1:00PM EST. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Fisch reminds me in the comments that I&#039;m giving a webinar a week from tomorrow for Education Week. That&#039;s February 24, 1:00PM EST. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Karl Fisch		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It was fun to get this in my email today: &quot;Connecting Math Instruction to the Real World&quot;, a webinar by math teacher and ed-tech expert (wow!) Dan Meyer.

For the record, I added the &quot;wow!&quot;

I&#039;m still struggling with this, but can&#039;t come up with a coherent comment. I&#039;ll keep struggling.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was fun to get this in my email today: &#8220;Connecting Math Instruction to the Real World&#8221;, a webinar by math teacher and ed-tech expert (wow!) Dan Meyer.</p>
<p>For the record, I added the &#8220;wow!&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still struggling with this, but can&#8217;t come up with a coherent comment. I&#8217;ll keep struggling.</p>
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		By: Ommelbommel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yesterday, I read this in a chatroom:
&quot;A math textbook is the only place where it&#039;s normal to buy 53 melons.&quot;
Reminded me to come back to your blog after quite a while :) Keep up the great work!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday, I read this in a chatroom:<br />
&#8220;A math textbook is the only place where it&#8217;s normal to buy 53 melons.&#8221;<br />
Reminded me to come back to your blog after quite a while :) Keep up the great work!</p>
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		By: blaw0013		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 01:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Curmudgeon and @Karl in particular:

&quot;Everything is said by an observer.&quot; -Humberto Maturana 

What is interesting? What is practical? What is real(-world)? I can read most all of the comments on this page without considering Maturana&#039;s statement and be equally puzzled by the dilemma captured by @Curmudgeon, &quot;Insisting that ALL problems be interesting is a short journey to madness.&quot;

But Maturana reminds us that we must first get beyond our own eyes when defining interesting. Of course, what is interesting to us is not universally interesting. And further, their probably is no &quot;universally interesting.&quot; (I make this claim on empirical evidence from my classroom, dead certain I had found the perfect problem to pose to my students.)

Maturana reminds me that we must see the world through the eyes of each one of our students to consider what might be interesting, what puzzle might create a desire (need) for the student to solve it. So, the power in a WCYDWT sort of approach, to me, is that the student&#039;s identify the puzzle/problem they wish to pursue. The teacher corrals this energy and sneaks in the &quot;mathematics&quot; that must be &quot;covered.&quot;

And finally, applying Maturana&#039;s comment to mathematics, and maybe &quot;high school mathematics&quot; as @Karl describes it. I would say it is worth noting the difference between &quot;high school mathematics&quot; and the &quot;mathematics of a high school student.&quot;

The mathematical ways of knowing of a teenager is different from our own. To say, &quot;These kids are just beginning and are learning the moves&quot; seems to assume we know them. Who is to say we to are&#039;t just beginning to learn the moves.

Trying to bring this esoteric approach to my comment toward something tangible, I suggest teaching mathematics in such a way that we pay attention to what we know, as &quot;keepers&quot; of the discipline, but we strive to make our HS math courses about the &quot;mathematics of our high school students.&quot; Our two primary roles would be to encourage the emergence of this sort of mathematics, and then to listen well, and work to connect it to the ways we know mathematics, what we consider to be the Discipline, that is &quot;high school mathematics.&quot;

Psuedocontext: agreed @Raj, brilliantly concise deconstruction of this lazy approach to curriculum publishing.

@Dan: a problem, naming psuedocontext and tearing it down makes us want to ask then, what then is real context? We seem stuck to defining &quot;real context&quot; in the moment/context of the learning environment. And as such, can curriculum only be created after it has been experienced? Which at best then we are stuck with a prefabbed sequence of psuedocontextual problems, psuedocontextual for any student thereafter?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Curmudgeon and @Karl in particular:</p>
<p>&#8220;Everything is said by an observer.&#8221; -Humberto Maturana </p>
<p>What is interesting? What is practical? What is real(-world)? I can read most all of the comments on this page without considering Maturana&#8217;s statement and be equally puzzled by the dilemma captured by @Curmudgeon, &#8220;Insisting that ALL problems be interesting is a short journey to madness.&#8221;</p>
<p>But Maturana reminds us that we must first get beyond our own eyes when defining interesting. Of course, what is interesting to us is not universally interesting. And further, their probably is no &#8220;universally interesting.&#8221; (I make this claim on empirical evidence from my classroom, dead certain I had found the perfect problem to pose to my students.)</p>
<p>Maturana reminds me that we must see the world through the eyes of each one of our students to consider what might be interesting, what puzzle might create a desire (need) for the student to solve it. So, the power in a WCYDWT sort of approach, to me, is that the student&#8217;s identify the puzzle/problem they wish to pursue. The teacher corrals this energy and sneaks in the &#8220;mathematics&#8221; that must be &#8220;covered.&#8221;</p>
<p>And finally, applying Maturana&#8217;s comment to mathematics, and maybe &#8220;high school mathematics&#8221; as @Karl describes it. I would say it is worth noting the difference between &#8220;high school mathematics&#8221; and the &#8220;mathematics of a high school student.&#8221;</p>
<p>The mathematical ways of knowing of a teenager is different from our own. To say, &#8220;These kids are just beginning and are learning the moves&#8221; seems to assume we know them. Who is to say we to are&#8217;t just beginning to learn the moves.</p>
<p>Trying to bring this esoteric approach to my comment toward something tangible, I suggest teaching mathematics in such a way that we pay attention to what we know, as &#8220;keepers&#8221; of the discipline, but we strive to make our HS math courses about the &#8220;mathematics of our high school students.&#8221; Our two primary roles would be to encourage the emergence of this sort of mathematics, and then to listen well, and work to connect it to the ways we know mathematics, what we consider to be the Discipline, that is &#8220;high school mathematics.&#8221;</p>
<p>Psuedocontext: agreed @Raj, brilliantly concise deconstruction of this lazy approach to curriculum publishing.</p>
<p>@Dan: a problem, naming psuedocontext and tearing it down makes us want to ask then, what then is real context? We seem stuck to defining &#8220;real context&#8221; in the moment/context of the learning environment. And as such, can curriculum only be created after it has been experienced? Which at best then we are stuck with a prefabbed sequence of psuedocontextual problems, psuedocontextual for any student thereafter?</p>
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		By: louise		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 03:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry, do other people not shove pigs down slides? How do you have a good time then?
Seriously, these have to have come from the book my daughter used in college. She took my suggestion that the students use their cell phones to record water balloons being lobbed at the professor, and proposed it in class but sadly he would not cooperate.
We did go to the store at 10pm to get a helium balloon, then did donuts in the parking lot ( it&#039;s pretty empty at 10:30pm on a Wednesday), but once again when i sent the balloon in with her, he had no interest in either trying the experiment as a demo for students or in encouraging the students to try it themselves. 
I love hands-on physics, and my daughter described her Physics course as &quot;watching someone do math on the board.&quot; So sad.
In high school, physics=algebra applications = physics. If we combined them we would get some good work done. So far I have had no takers, because we do biology first ( it does begin with B).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, do other people not shove pigs down slides? How do you have a good time then?<br />
Seriously, these have to have come from the book my daughter used in college. She took my suggestion that the students use their cell phones to record water balloons being lobbed at the professor, and proposed it in class but sadly he would not cooperate.<br />
We did go to the store at 10pm to get a helium balloon, then did donuts in the parking lot ( it&#8217;s pretty empty at 10:30pm on a Wednesday), but once again when i sent the balloon in with her, he had no interest in either trying the experiment as a demo for students or in encouraging the students to try it themselves.<br />
I love hands-on physics, and my daughter described her Physics course as &#8220;watching someone do math on the board.&#8221; So sad.<br />
In high school, physics=algebra applications = physics. If we combined them we would get some good work done. So far I have had no takers, because we do biology first ( it does begin with B).</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 02:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, when you hit Submit on a post over at your blog, Wordpress automatically sends me what&#039;s called a trackback.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, when you hit Submit on a post over at your blog, WordPress automatically sends me what&#8217;s called a trackback.</p>
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		By: John Scammell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 01:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did Wordpress auto-post here (above) because I linked to this page in my blog post?  I was coming here to thank Dan and Curmudgeon for the conversation that put me on to that speeding case, which I think is a pretty compelling problem for a high school student.  Then I saw that something had already been posted here. I think I am failing miserably at technology use.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did WordPress auto-post here (above) because I linked to this page in my blog post?  I was coming here to thank Dan and Curmudgeon for the conversation that put me on to that speeding case, which I think is a pretty compelling problem for a high school student.  Then I saw that something had already been posted here. I think I am failing miserably at technology use.</p>
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		By: Speeding &#171; Zero-Knowledge Proofs		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 01:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] 8, 2011 by John Scammell    Thanks to this post on Dan Meyer&#8217;s blog, and an ensuing conversation between Dan and Curmudgeon, I was pointed to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] 8, 2011 by John Scammell    Thanks to this post on Dan Meyer&#8217;s blog, and an ensuing conversation between Dan and Curmudgeon, I was pointed to [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Laura		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 21:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you.  I&#039;m sending your post to my sister who&#039;s taking a prerequisite math course for a program she&#039;s applying to, and in her words, learning to &quot;factor polynomials on demand&quot; and manipulate algebraic expressions such as &quot;x/ay&quot; which represent bogus quantities such as the number of hours spent babysitting.  

Being a former math teacher and a math enthusiast, I am forced to apologize for my profession thus:

Her: Why are the problems so stupid?
Me:  I don&#039;t know. I&#039;m sorry. I&#039;m sorry. I&#039;m sorry!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.  I&#8217;m sending your post to my sister who&#8217;s taking a prerequisite math course for a program she&#8217;s applying to, and in her words, learning to &#8220;factor polynomials on demand&#8221; and manipulate algebraic expressions such as &#8220;x/ay&#8221; which represent bogus quantities such as the number of hours spent babysitting.  </p>
<p>Being a former math teacher and a math enthusiast, I am forced to apologize for my profession thus:</p>
<p>Her: Why are the problems so stupid?<br />
Me:  I don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;m sorry. I&#8217;m sorry. I&#8217;m sorry!</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re &lt;strong&gt;curmudgeon&lt;/strong&gt; and the practical implications of the GPS orb, this article in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080712/news/807120355&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Santa Rosa Press Democrat&lt;/a&gt; about a teen using a GPS device to fight a speeding ticket.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re <strong>curmudgeon</strong> and the practical implications of the GPS orb, this article in the <a href="http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080712/news/807120355" rel="nofollow">Santa Rosa Press Democrat</a> about a teen using a GPS device to fight a speeding ticket.</p>
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