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		By: cheesemonkeysf		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 18:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I vehemently agree with Bowen and Ben about the need to avoid asking &quot;Guess what I&#039;m thinking questions.&quot;

For this reason, I wonder if it might not be better to separate the generative part of the process (having students pose questions) from the &quot;settling on a specific question for the group to investigate&quot; part of the process.

In teaching writing, we try to emphasize separating the generative process from the editing process. Why not do the same thing with mathematical question-posing?

Starting from that assumption, I find myself wondering why would we not pose the #anyqs question to the students as, How &lt;B&gt;&lt;I&gt;many&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; mathematical questions can you come up with? And then capture them ALL on the board.

Or set a timer for 5-7 minutes and have pairs or groups generate lists of as many mathematical questions as they can come up with before the timer goes off. THEN start gathering or sorting them on the board as a whole class.

- Elizabeth (aka @cheesemonkeysf on Twitter)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vehemently agree with Bowen and Ben about the need to avoid asking &#8220;Guess what I&#8217;m thinking questions.&#8221;</p>
<p>For this reason, I wonder if it might not be better to separate the generative part of the process (having students pose questions) from the &#8220;settling on a specific question for the group to investigate&#8221; part of the process.</p>
<p>In teaching writing, we try to emphasize separating the generative process from the editing process. Why not do the same thing with mathematical question-posing?</p>
<p>Starting from that assumption, I find myself wondering why would we not pose the #anyqs question to the students as, How <b><i>many</i></b> mathematical questions can you come up with? And then capture them ALL on the board.</p>
<p>Or set a timer for 5-7 minutes and have pairs or groups generate lists of as many mathematical questions as they can come up with before the timer goes off. THEN start gathering or sorting them on the board as a whole class.</p>
<p>&#8211; Elizabeth (aka @cheesemonkeysf on Twitter)</p>
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		By: R. Wright		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 15:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Matt, WCYDWT stands for &quot;what can you do with this,&quot; I think, but to be honest, I&#039;m not entirely sure that I understand what that means.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, WCYDWT stands for &#8220;what can you do with this,&#8221; I think, but to be honest, I&#8217;m not entirely sure that I understand what that means.</p>
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		By: Matt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 15:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan, I feel like you need a &quot;hashtag&quot; definition in your sidebar or something. I&#039;m getting very frustrated trying to figure out what these stand for. Like does anyqs stand for any question? And that one that starts with a w...no clue... Being late to the game and reading your blog gets frustrating sometimes as I feel out of the loop.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, I feel like you need a &#8220;hashtag&#8221; definition in your sidebar or something. I&#8217;m getting very frustrated trying to figure out what these stand for. Like does anyqs stand for any question? And that one that starts with a w&#8230;no clue&#8230; Being late to the game and reading your blog gets frustrating sometimes as I feel out of the loop.</p>
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		By: Joshua Schmidt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joshua Schmidt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 14:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think that it&#039;s also going to be different for each classroom. In a classroom with leaders who are going to eat up mathematical context, the questions usually will be more to what I would have &quot;wanted&quot;. However, in the lower level classrooms where leaders are harder to come by, it&#039;s important that the question that you as a class are pursuing is important to the students. I don&#039;t like the idea of having to put a number on it, as long as your students truly value the question that you are solving. Most of the time, I don&#039;t think the question really matters as long as the kids are learning something valuable.

My point is that each classroom setting is going to be different, and we should embrace that. Taking a &quot;one size&quot; fits all approach seems counterintuitive to inquiry based teaching in general. If you want a specific question answered, ask that question, the students will learn the material that is valuable to that teacher. If you create a good enough visual or manipulative, then the question will be created for you (or at least one that is worthwhile).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it&#8217;s also going to be different for each classroom. In a classroom with leaders who are going to eat up mathematical context, the questions usually will be more to what I would have &#8220;wanted&#8221;. However, in the lower level classrooms where leaders are harder to come by, it&#8217;s important that the question that you as a class are pursuing is important to the students. I don&#8217;t like the idea of having to put a number on it, as long as your students truly value the question that you are solving. Most of the time, I don&#8217;t think the question really matters as long as the kids are learning something valuable.</p>
<p>My point is that each classroom setting is going to be different, and we should embrace that. Taking a &#8220;one size&#8221; fits all approach seems counterintuitive to inquiry based teaching in general. If you want a specific question answered, ask that question, the students will learn the material that is valuable to that teacher. If you create a good enough visual or manipulative, then the question will be created for you (or at least one that is worthwhile).</p>
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		By: Ben		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 10:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And Dan&#039;s just hit on the most broken piece of instruction today. It was mentioned earlier in the comments as &quot;guess what&#039;s in my head&quot; and teachers do it everytime. The concept of #anyqs is powerful because you&#039;re going up the &quot;power&quot; of directing what the class should be learning to your students.

Yes, you should probably be strategic with the use of your #anyqs to at least craft them in such a way that your image or video is more likely to draw out the questions that are pertinent to what you need to cover, but when you ask a room full of students something as broad and unengaging as &quot;where&#039;s the math&quot; you better be prepared to follow the student&#039;s lead on that one, otherwise you&#039;re going to disenfranchise their curiosity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Dan&#8217;s just hit on the most broken piece of instruction today. It was mentioned earlier in the comments as &#8220;guess what&#8217;s in my head&#8221; and teachers do it everytime. The concept of #anyqs is powerful because you&#8217;re going up the &#8220;power&#8221; of directing what the class should be learning to your students.</p>
<p>Yes, you should probably be strategic with the use of your #anyqs to at least craft them in such a way that your image or video is more likely to draw out the questions that are pertinent to what you need to cover, but when you ask a room full of students something as broad and unengaging as &#8220;where&#8217;s the math&#8221; you better be prepared to follow the student&#8217;s lead on that one, otherwise you&#8217;re going to disenfranchise their curiosity.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 09:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Bowen&lt;/strong&gt;: (Can we ever be certain it will happen the “right” way, though?)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m probably playing a bunch of semantic games here, but I don&#039;t want to suggest there&#039;s a &quot;right&quot; question. I do have a question I&#039;d like students to consider, a question I think is important and worthy of their time. That question comes from a certain context. How do I represent that context to my students so that the question I&#039;m wondering seems compelling to them also?

I&#039;m curious, for instance, how the classroom would have looked if the teacher had shown some video of some kind of stadium stampede, something to trigger the thought that, &quot;my word, we need to do something about this.&quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Timon&lt;/strong&gt;: So in this case Dan (let’s get rid of the fact the teacher was surprised), how many students does it take to make our anyqs legit?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A majority, maybe? But consider that students may have lots of questions about a given context. Maybe &quot;how many fire exits are there?&quot; is the predominant question for only 40% of the students but it&#039;s somewhere in the top three for the rest. I can live with that. I can&#039;t live with instructional design that disregards the likely questions students might have about a given context, which is what we&#039;re working against with #anyqs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Bowen</strong>: (Can we ever be certain it will happen the “right” way, though?)</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m probably playing a bunch of semantic games here, but I don&#8217;t want to suggest there&#8217;s a &#8220;right&#8221; question. I do have a question I&#8217;d like students to consider, a question I think is important and worthy of their time. That question comes from a certain context. How do I represent that context to my students so that the question I&#8217;m wondering seems compelling to them also?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious, for instance, how the classroom would have looked if the teacher had shown some video of some kind of stadium stampede, something to trigger the thought that, &#8220;my word, we need to do something about this.&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Timon</strong>: So in this case Dan (let’s get rid of the fact the teacher was surprised), how many students does it take to make our anyqs legit?</p></blockquote>
<p>A majority, maybe? But consider that students may have lots of questions about a given context. Maybe &#8220;how many fire exits are there?&#8221; is the predominant question for only 40% of the students but it&#8217;s somewhere in the top three for the rest. I can live with that. I can&#8217;t live with instructional design that disregards the likely questions students might have about a given context, which is what we&#8217;re working against with #anyqs.</p>
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		By: Timon Piccini		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 04:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So in this case Dan (let&#039;s get rid of the fact the teacher was surprised), how many students does it take to make our anyqs legit?  I know there is not a magic number, and not every student is going to come up with the same question, but how do we gauge if our anyqs has generated a natural question that the whole class can buy into.

I know we can post them to twitter, but I feel like a group of math teachers are naturally going to gravitate more toward the &quot;mathy&quot; questions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So in this case Dan (let&#8217;s get rid of the fact the teacher was surprised), how many students does it take to make our anyqs legit?  I know there is not a magic number, and not every student is going to come up with the same question, but how do we gauge if our anyqs has generated a natural question that the whole class can buy into.</p>
<p>I know we can post them to twitter, but I feel like a group of math teachers are naturally going to gravitate more toward the &#8220;mathy&#8221; questions.</p>
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		By: Bowen Kerins		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 03:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When we were writing our materials, we called this sort of thing a &quot;what&#039;s in my head&quot; question.  There&#039;s a big fault with this sort of question that you didn&#039;t mention: students start skipping the mathematics altogether and try to determine what it is the teacher wants them to say.  It&#039;s the equivalent of the teacher asking &quot;What number am I thinking of?&quot; then waiting for a bunch of answers.

It&#039;s a totally different game, decidedly not math, and not even close to good inquiry-based teaching.  Such questions should either be clarified or just not asked in the first place.

It&#039;s interesting to compare this to #anyqs, where the goal seems to be to make as certain as possible that the question the kids come up with is the same as the one in the lesson plan -- taking the path of not asking the question, letting students construct it.  (Can we ever be certain it will happen the &quot;right&quot; way, though?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we were writing our materials, we called this sort of thing a &#8220;what&#8217;s in my head&#8221; question.  There&#8217;s a big fault with this sort of question that you didn&#8217;t mention: students start skipping the mathematics altogether and try to determine what it is the teacher wants them to say.  It&#8217;s the equivalent of the teacher asking &#8220;What number am I thinking of?&#8221; then waiting for a bunch of answers.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a totally different game, decidedly not math, and not even close to good inquiry-based teaching.  Such questions should either be clarified or just not asked in the first place.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to compare this to #anyqs, where the goal seems to be to make as certain as possible that the question the kids come up with is the same as the one in the lesson plan &#8212; taking the path of not asking the question, letting students construct it.  (Can we ever be certain it will happen the &#8220;right&#8221; way, though?)</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 02:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;louise&lt;/strong&gt;: So put up all the questions, and then let them have at it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not all questions are answerable given the information available. Not all questions require the same mathematical competencies. Problems?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>louise</strong>: So put up all the questions, and then let them have at it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not all questions are answerable given the information available. Not all questions require the same mathematical competencies. Problems?</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 02:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@&lt;strong&gt;Mr. K&lt;/strong&gt;, same photo and same font as the teacher used, believe it or not.

@&lt;strong&gt;Brian&lt;/strong&gt;, can you favor me with an example?

@&lt;strong&gt;Ben&lt;/strong&gt;, what I&#039;m saying is that the teacher is designing curricula for &lt;em&gt;herself&lt;/em&gt;. I&#039;ve clarified the text. Thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<strong>Mr. K</strong>, same photo and same font as the teacher used, believe it or not.</p>
<p>@<strong>Brian</strong>, can you favor me with an example?</p>
<p>@<strong>Ben</strong>, what I&#8217;m saying is that the teacher is designing curricula for <em>herself</em>. I&#8217;ve clarified the text. Thanks.</p>
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