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		By: George Bigham		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 17:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the future of teaching math is monitoring a bunch of students to blankly stair at computers all day, then I suppose it will prepare them for a future in the corporate world.  But all sarcasm aside I see video only replacing one old fashion role of the teacher: the lecturer.  Teachers will still have to be masters of their subject, able to address a class and control class room culture, consider individual student needs, &#038;etc...  But it&#039;s hard to beat a lecturer who has a script, took as many takes as necessary, got props, and, most importantly, can be paused, rewinded, fast forwarded, and stopped all according to the individual abilities and prior knowledge of the student.  Being able to assign homework such watch one of a list of various styles of presentation (Khan, Hart, Brit, etc.), whichever floats your boat, and either 1. be able to explain the content, or 2. form questions about what confuses you, so that  come class time the teacher becomes becomes a discussion leader and project manager instead of 18th century German professor wannabe.  Sure, giving a lecture can be a rush and a facet of great teaching, but the best teaching comes from interacting not presenting. 
I currently take classes at one of the adult versions of Khan Academy called Coursera.  I have learned a ton there, but there has been many a moment where one question to a knowledgeable teacher could have saved me a lot of time and trouble sifting through old videos and text only to find the information I needed wasn&#039;t even there.  Forums help but not a fast and can even be intimidated for some.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the future of teaching math is monitoring a bunch of students to blankly stair at computers all day, then I suppose it will prepare them for a future in the corporate world.  But all sarcasm aside I see video only replacing one old fashion role of the teacher: the lecturer.  Teachers will still have to be masters of their subject, able to address a class and control class room culture, consider individual student needs, &amp;etc&#8230;  But it&#8217;s hard to beat a lecturer who has a script, took as many takes as necessary, got props, and, most importantly, can be paused, rewinded, fast forwarded, and stopped all according to the individual abilities and prior knowledge of the student.  Being able to assign homework such watch one of a list of various styles of presentation (Khan, Hart, Brit, etc.), whichever floats your boat, and either 1. be able to explain the content, or 2. form questions about what confuses you, so that  come class time the teacher becomes becomes a discussion leader and project manager instead of 18th century German professor wannabe.  Sure, giving a lecture can be a rush and a facet of great teaching, but the best teaching comes from interacting not presenting.<br />
I currently take classes at one of the adult versions of Khan Academy called Coursera.  I have learned a ton there, but there has been many a moment where one question to a knowledgeable teacher could have saved me a lot of time and trouble sifting through old videos and text only to find the information I needed wasn&#8217;t even there.  Forums help but not a fast and can even be intimidated for some.</p>
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		By: Karl Mason		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 13:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My main issue with Khan Academy is that mathematics is not something where there are loads of little areas that are apart from everything else, it is the fact that almost all areas of mathematics are intertwined with all other areas.  It is the linking of knowledge together and synthesising of ideas from this that helps pupils progress.  Everything in Khan academy seems very &#039;standalonish&#039; - the best mathematics resource I have ever seen is the &#039;Improved Learning in Mathematics&#039; package produced in the UK.  This moves completely away from teacher instruction, soley onto paired discussion and feedback.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main issue with Khan Academy is that mathematics is not something where there are loads of little areas that are apart from everything else, it is the fact that almost all areas of mathematics are intertwined with all other areas.  It is the linking of knowledge together and synthesising of ideas from this that helps pupils progress.  Everything in Khan academy seems very &#8216;standalonish&#8217; &#8211; the best mathematics resource I have ever seen is the &#8216;Improved Learning in Mathematics&#8217; package produced in the UK.  This moves completely away from teacher instruction, soley onto paired discussion and feedback.</p>
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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Vi Hart v. Sal Khan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Vi Hart v. Sal Khan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 15:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] course, Khan went on to hire Hart, a partnership which could be yielding all kinds of fruit. If anybody has noticed Khan innovating [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] course, Khan went on to hire Hart, a partnership which could be yielding all kinds of fruit. If anybody has noticed Khan innovating [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sal Khan On 60 Minutes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sal Khan On 60 Minutes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 23:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] This is a enormous expansion of the Khan Academy vision. No longer is the message, &#034;Do the basic skills with Khan Academy outside the classroom to free up time for projects and high-order thinking inside the classroom.&#034; That message raised a lot of interesting questions which are now moot. (eg. &#034;Why are video lectures the best way to learn basic skills? Why are we separating basic skills and high-order skills? Who decides which is which?&#034;) Now Khan Academy is the classroom. Kids come into class, sit in front of a laptop, put on headphones, and pick up where they left off from the last class. The teacher monitors the class dashboard and offers coaching when necessary. If you think I&#039;m extrapolating too much from Khan&#039;s remarks, the same Khan Academy employee confirmed that vision to my Stanford team a few months ago. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] This is a enormous expansion of the Khan Academy vision. No longer is the message, &quot;Do the basic skills with Khan Academy outside the classroom to free up time for projects and high-order thinking inside the classroom.&quot; That message raised a lot of interesting questions which are now moot. (eg. &quot;Why are video lectures the best way to learn basic skills? Why are we separating basic skills and high-order skills? Who decides which is which?&quot;) Now Khan Academy is the classroom. Kids come into class, sit in front of a laptop, put on headphones, and pick up where they left off from the last class. The teacher monitors the class dashboard and offers coaching when necessary. If you think I&#039;m extrapolating too much from Khan&#039;s remarks, the same Khan Academy employee confirmed that vision to my Stanford team a few months ago. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What Silicon Valley Gets Wrong About Math Education Again And Again		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What Silicon Valley Gets Wrong About Math Education Again And Again]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Zack graduated from Stanford&#039;s teacher training program. He now teaches at the charter school where I&#039;ve been consulting with my adviser and two other graduate students. He&#039;s a proponent of blended learning, individualized instruction, and Khan Academy, in particular. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Zack graduated from Stanford&#039;s teacher training program. He now teaches at the charter school where I&#039;ve been consulting with my adviser and two other graduate students. He&#039;s a proponent of blended learning, individualized instruction, and Khan Academy, in particular. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Alex		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Brit , I also think that virtual sandboxes are great! Would love to see what CS is about! =) 

BTY, I owe you guys some thoughts from my previous comment on the democratizing video discussion: 

Though I do agree that &quot;every attempt by a learner to express and/or share how they’re synthesizing material is always valuable&quot;, I don&#039;t think video making it is something that could work on a permanent basis as a chosen pedagogical model for the Khan Academy website. Don&#039;t get me wrong: I do believe that making a video is a great learning experience in many ways, but I think there is at least one fundamental problem to solve before thinking on video feedback: Information overload. 

In other words, video making as a feedback and a learning process is a great learning tool for the individual, but it&#039;s kind of inefficient when you think about the masses. Take for example You-tube: I understand Google is trying to cope with annoyed users trying to find quality content in the site due to the enormous (and continously increasing) quantity of material available on the web.

The comparison made between Khan Academy and Wikipedia is interesting because of the peer to peer quality evaluation and curation process on the enciclopedia&#039;s content. However, though I acknowledge the possibility of linking text and the spoken word (aka word recognition), I believe that video and text have a fundamental difference, which is that videos also show visual stuff to the audience. Agreeing on what the text should say AND what images a video should show is much more difficult than just agreeing on what a text should say, like in Wikipedia. 

So, allowing all learners to upload their individual video-feedback or even learning material to the site could generate the same problems we already see in video sharing sites as youtube. Whilst, allowing all users by peer to peer colaboration create a single content for a single topic (i.e. 1 official video for one official topic) would be really tough and could create frustraion in users, but would be really interesting as an experiment. 

As I mentioned in my previous post, I think designing the correct kind of excercises and semi-standarized projects for the rest of their content should provide the fundamental value Khan Academy is lacking to offer a really complete learning experience.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brit , I also think that virtual sandboxes are great! Would love to see what CS is about! =) </p>
<p>BTY, I owe you guys some thoughts from my previous comment on the democratizing video discussion: </p>
<p>Though I do agree that &#8220;every attempt by a learner to express and/or share how they’re synthesizing material is always valuable&#8221;, I don&#8217;t think video making it is something that could work on a permanent basis as a chosen pedagogical model for the Khan Academy website. Don&#8217;t get me wrong: I do believe that making a video is a great learning experience in many ways, but I think there is at least one fundamental problem to solve before thinking on video feedback: Information overload. </p>
<p>In other words, video making as a feedback and a learning process is a great learning tool for the individual, but it&#8217;s kind of inefficient when you think about the masses. Take for example You-tube: I understand Google is trying to cope with annoyed users trying to find quality content in the site due to the enormous (and continously increasing) quantity of material available on the web.</p>
<p>The comparison made between Khan Academy and Wikipedia is interesting because of the peer to peer quality evaluation and curation process on the enciclopedia&#8217;s content. However, though I acknowledge the possibility of linking text and the spoken word (aka word recognition), I believe that video and text have a fundamental difference, which is that videos also show visual stuff to the audience. Agreeing on what the text should say AND what images a video should show is much more difficult than just agreeing on what a text should say, like in Wikipedia. </p>
<p>So, allowing all learners to upload their individual video-feedback or even learning material to the site could generate the same problems we already see in video sharing sites as youtube. Whilst, allowing all users by peer to peer colaboration create a single content for a single topic (i.e. 1 official video for one official topic) would be really tough and could create frustraion in users, but would be really interesting as an experiment. </p>
<p>As I mentioned in my previous post, I think designing the correct kind of excercises and semi-standarized projects for the rest of their content should provide the fundamental value Khan Academy is lacking to offer a really complete learning experience.</p>
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		By: Alex		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree: Khan&#039;s ultimate goal can&#039;t be just making a repository of videos. Their math exercises are really great and I consider them essential to the learning experience they provide.  

I also agree that it will be quiet a challenge for Khan Academy to coordinate to different video styles that are incoming in order to avoid messing up the learning experience and creating confusion and information overload. 

Another challenge that Khan Academy has is finding a way to create a learning network of peer tutoring and support. On this subject, I don&#039;t think that democratizing the video production and ditching the “sage on the stage” model is the way (more on this subject later). I think there are the other systems that can also offer the additional learning advantages of video making, such as collective and creative problem solving, peer to peer collaboration and support, project building, among others. Two examples of such systems are:

(1) the programming exercise model Proyect Euler has: http://projecteuler.net/ , and/ or 
(2) online math exercise solving at Khan Academy as a peer to peer - student aided classwork 

This brings me to my next point, which is what I think is Achilles&#039; heel when we speak of Khan Academy:  There is a lack of learning assessment (except perhaps for math, in which the exercises are great, although they could have an additional and very interesting section by using including Dan Meyer&#039;s ideas). What I mean is that after being video-lectured on many semantic topics, such as American history, art history, or even less semantic topics such as biology or economy, users seem to forget these ideas if I don&#039;t review the videos in a certain amount of time. Obviously video reviewing what has already been learned is extremely tedious and inefficient. 

There should be some sort of analogous form to the math exercises where one could practice what has been learned, such as for example memrise.com or a modified version of that idea.  However, I also do believe that the creative approach that Project Euler&#039;s and Dan Meyer&#039;s exercises have are essential to a real learning on any subject. For example, Dan&#039;s excercises could be systemized as excercises in Proyect Euler are.

@Monika I wil be sending you and email to join the conversation with @Brit on Wikipedia and Codeacademy, though I think it would be most interesting if we could hold it in a public place so everyone interested coud join!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree: Khan&#8217;s ultimate goal can&#8217;t be just making a repository of videos. Their math exercises are really great and I consider them essential to the learning experience they provide.  </p>
<p>I also agree that it will be quiet a challenge for Khan Academy to coordinate to different video styles that are incoming in order to avoid messing up the learning experience and creating confusion and information overload. </p>
<p>Another challenge that Khan Academy has is finding a way to create a learning network of peer tutoring and support. On this subject, I don&#8217;t think that democratizing the video production and ditching the “sage on the stage” model is the way (more on this subject later). I think there are the other systems that can also offer the additional learning advantages of video making, such as collective and creative problem solving, peer to peer collaboration and support, project building, among others. Two examples of such systems are:</p>
<p>(1) the programming exercise model Proyect Euler has: <a href="http://projecteuler.net/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://projecteuler.net/</a> , and/ or<br />
(2) online math exercise solving at Khan Academy as a peer to peer &#8211; student aided classwork </p>
<p>This brings me to my next point, which is what I think is Achilles&#8217; heel when we speak of Khan Academy:  There is a lack of learning assessment (except perhaps for math, in which the exercises are great, although they could have an additional and very interesting section by using including Dan Meyer&#8217;s ideas). What I mean is that after being video-lectured on many semantic topics, such as American history, art history, or even less semantic topics such as biology or economy, users seem to forget these ideas if I don&#8217;t review the videos in a certain amount of time. Obviously video reviewing what has already been learned is extremely tedious and inefficient. </p>
<p>There should be some sort of analogous form to the math exercises where one could practice what has been learned, such as for example memrise.com or a modified version of that idea.  However, I also do believe that the creative approach that Project Euler&#8217;s and Dan Meyer&#8217;s exercises have are essential to a real learning on any subject. For example, Dan&#8217;s excercises could be systemized as excercises in Proyect Euler are.</p>
<p>@Monika I wil be sending you and email to join the conversation with @Brit on Wikipedia and Codeacademy, though I think it would be most interesting if we could hold it in a public place so everyone interested coud join!</p>
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		By: monika hardy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 09:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[response videos..remix..video coding via word recognition.. all a form of that convo.. that communication that perhaps is missing. combine with the trailings left on open source yet curated spaces such as Wikipedia. 
I&#039;m thinking it&#039;s not the badge idea, but the trail idea... that will be the credentialing of the future.. how well have you left your community.. be it khan or Wikipedia or YouTube. what have you shared that endured the curation of others of experts... and better.. what have you shared that is used by many when learning is not per compulsion, but rather per interest..which leads to the ultimate rigor, to the best questions, the best convos. what if the videos we are after are the ones representing or actually are... those convos, with tech, via some sort of tagging, pulling out just the pieces of several videos, of tons of footage, that are relevant to that particular 
inquiry...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>response videos..remix..video coding via word recognition.. all a form of that convo.. that communication that perhaps is missing. combine with the trailings left on open source yet curated spaces such as Wikipedia.<br />
I&#8217;m thinking it&#8217;s not the badge idea, but the trail idea&#8230; that will be the credentialing of the future.. how well have you left your community.. be it khan or Wikipedia or YouTube. what have you shared that endured the curation of others of experts&#8230; and better.. what have you shared that is used by many when learning is not per compulsion, but rather per interest..which leads to the ultimate rigor, to the best questions, the best convos. what if the videos we are after are the ones representing or actually are&#8230; those convos, with tech, via some sort of tagging, pulling out just the pieces of several videos, of tons of footage, that are relevant to that particular<br />
inquiry&#8230;</p>
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		By: Brit Cruise		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 05:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree, peer support network, and innovative software (especially when it comes to training) is the exciting future of Khan. As mentioned above, I also think the act of creation (video or otherwise) is a powerful pedagogy in itself. My only hope is Khan sticks to it&#039;s mission. I want &#039;badges&#039; to become diplomas in the future. This might be the (ironic?) result of partnerships with MIT and others happening now...I&#039;d love that to happen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, peer support network, and innovative software (especially when it comes to training) is the exciting future of Khan. As mentioned above, I also think the act of creation (video or otherwise) is a powerful pedagogy in itself. My only hope is Khan sticks to it&#8217;s mission. I want &#8216;badges&#8217; to become diplomas in the future. This might be the (ironic?) result of partnerships with MIT and others happening now&#8230;I&#8217;d love that to happen.</p>
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		By: Ben		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 00:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Robert: I&#039;m talking about turning Khan into a learning network, not just the video equivalent of a textbook, which is what I feel it is now in many ways.

@Brit: Each and every attempt by a learner to express and/or share how they&#039;re synthesizing material is always valuable. If Khan&#039;s ultimate goal is to just create content in video form, then I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s terribly exciting.

My guess if what you&#039;re thinking of Khan becoming is very different than what I would like it to be. While you&#039;re talking about an authoritative and exhaustive collection of high quality learning videos, I&#039;m talking about creating a learning network of peer tutoring and support.

As for a video wiki, that sounds like a pretty interesting idea, would love to see what it looks like as well :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robert: I&#8217;m talking about turning Khan into a learning network, not just the video equivalent of a textbook, which is what I feel it is now in many ways.</p>
<p>@Brit: Each and every attempt by a learner to express and/or share how they&#8217;re synthesizing material is always valuable. If Khan&#8217;s ultimate goal is to just create content in video form, then I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s terribly exciting.</p>
<p>My guess if what you&#8217;re thinking of Khan becoming is very different than what I would like it to be. While you&#8217;re talking about an authoritative and exhaustive collection of high quality learning videos, I&#8217;m talking about creating a learning network of peer tutoring and support.</p>
<p>As for a video wiki, that sounds like a pretty interesting idea, would love to see what it looks like as well :)</p>
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