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		By: Ha-Ka-Se and the [LoA] &#124; reesesroom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ha-Ka-Se and the [LoA] &#124; reesesroom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 20:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Ha-Ka-Se (or loosely Fast-Easy-Accurate) model. I am beginning to see the connection between the Ladder of AbstractionÂ and this idea of math being [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Ha-Ka-Se (or loosely Fast-Easy-Accurate) model. I am beginning to see the connection between the Ladder of AbstractionÂ and this idea of math being [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Note to self:

Frank Noschese recommended &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.colorado.edu/physics/EducationIssues/podolefsky/research/podolefsky%20PERC%2008%20final.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Podolefsky&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to self:</p>
<p>Frank Noschese recommended <a href="http://www.colorado.edu/physics/EducationIssues/podolefsky/research/podolefsky%20PERC%2008%20final.pdf" rel="nofollow">Podolefsky</a>.</p>
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		By: @MatthewMaddux		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://www.math.kent.edu/~edd/ICMIPaper.pdf]]></description>
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		By: Abstraction in Language and in Math &#171; Let&#039;s Play Math!		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abstraction in Language and in Math &#171; Let&#039;s Play Math!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] [LOA] The Ladder of Abstraction, Part One Of Probably A Lot [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] [LOA] The Ladder of Abstraction, Part One Of Probably A Lot [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Note to self:

Christopher Danielson recommended &lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/Trianglemancsd/status/227739934696554496&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sfard&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to self:</p>
<p>Christopher Danielson recommended <a href="https://twitter.com/Trianglemancsd/status/227739934696554496" rel="nofollow">Sfard</a>.</p>
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		By: Barry		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did I use whiny language?  I am sorry if I did.  If the discussion seemed pointless, I wouldn&#039;t have contributed again.  To the contrary, I thought my post made clear that I agree that it is more worthwhile to study the verb form of &quot;abstract&quot;, but that my own thoughts had gradually diverged from yours over why the adjective form was less useful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I use whiny language?  I am sorry if I did.  If the discussion seemed pointless, I wouldn&#8217;t have contributed again.  To the contrary, I thought my post made clear that I agree that it is more worthwhile to study the verb form of &#8220;abstract&#8221;, but that my own thoughts had gradually diverged from yours over why the adjective form was less useful.</p>
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		By: blaw0013		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Briefly, for Radford, what is knowing? learning? understanding? if thinking is focused on as an activity, occurring in inter-relations?

My sense is this metaphor for thinking serves a sociologist well. Probably is not useful to a psychologist. An educator?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Briefly, for Radford, what is knowing? learning? understanding? if thinking is focused on as an activity, occurring in inter-relations?</p>
<p>My sense is this metaphor for thinking serves a sociologist well. Probably is not useful to a psychologist. An educator?</p>
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		By: Barry		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At first, I also thought that the verb &quot;abstract&quot; was more useful pedagogically than the adjective.  After further thought, I decided that the verb form is more accessible to reasoning about with regard to pedagogy, but I think we have little chance to teach a student anything if they think math is abstract.  The adjective speaks to a type (several types?) of psychologically block, and removing such blocks is of paramount importance.  But this is obvious even to novice teachers, and semantics won&#039;t do anything to help.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first, I also thought that the verb &#8220;abstract&#8221; was more useful pedagogically than the adjective.  After further thought, I decided that the verb form is more accessible to reasoning about with regard to pedagogy, but I think we have little chance to teach a student anything if they think math is abstract.  The adjective speaks to a type (several types?) of psychologically block, and removing such blocks is of paramount importance.  But this is obvious even to novice teachers, and semantics won&#8217;t do anything to help.</p>
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		By: Kevin Hall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You could try studying the Van Hiele levels as a taxonomy of abstraction in mathematics.]]></description>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m grateful for the syllabus you folks have developed for me here. A colleague at Stanford recommended via email a piece on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pna.es/Numeros2/pdf/Radford2012Development.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Early Algebraic Thinking&lt;/a&gt; by Radford, which I&#039;ll also add to this pile. I&#039;ll be digging through these links as I try to nail down the concept.

A few other useful remarks I&#039;d like to highlight:

&lt;strong&gt;Michael Pershan&lt;/strong&gt; posts several questions about abstraction that may light a few useful paths through the issue for us. This one, in particular, matters to me:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Is “abstract” an objective or is it subjective to learners?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Here&#039;s an assertion I may regret later: the adjective &quot;abstract&quot; is an objective term as it&#039;s perceived by people. A road map isn&#039;t more or less abstract depending on whom you ask, though one&#039;s familiarity with and comfort around that particular abstraction will vary from person to person. I&#039;ll try to back that up in another post.

Here&#039;s &lt;strong&gt;Ben Blum-Smith&lt;/strong&gt;, disagreeing with me:

&lt;blockquote&gt;For some people, God is an abstract idea and for others God is entirely concrete.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Again, I wonder if this describes someone&#039;s &lt;em&gt;familiarity&lt;/em&gt; with an abstraction of a thing and not the abstractness of the thing itself.

&lt;strong&gt;David Patterson&lt;/strong&gt; notes that the term &quot;abstract,&quot; as it&#039;s used in conversations with people who didn&#039;t enjoy math as a kid, is often just a defensive description, with no inherent meaning.

&lt;strong&gt;Daniel Schneider&lt;/strong&gt; (Mathy McMatherson) offers us several different rungs on the ladder in his quotation of Boyer. The physical five oranges goes up the ladder to &lt;em&gt;the picture&lt;/em&gt; of the five oranges which goes up to the representation of the five oranges as &lt;em&gt;a numeral&lt;/em&gt;.

This points in the direction of a definition of abstraction: when we abstract we voluntarily ignore details of a context, so that we can accomplish a goal.

&lt;strong&gt;mr bombastic&lt;/strong&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder how much of the discomfort in math ... is due to being paralyzed with fear as you look down from an upper step on the abstraction ladder and don’t see any steps below.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Bowen Kerins&lt;/strong&gt;&#039; report of student interviews ought to give all curriculum designers pause before they attempt to make math concrete by throwing in wacky &quot;real-world&quot; experiences. Notice also that Bowen refers to abstraction as a verb, not an adjective. I&#039;m coming around to the idea that abstraction is a difficult target to hit as an adjective and much more interesting as a verb.

&lt;strong&gt;Barry&lt;/strong&gt; urges clearer definitions and brings in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wordnik.com/words/abstract&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;several dictionary entries&lt;/a&gt;. Here, again, I&#039;ll say I find the verbs much more interesting and useful pedagogically than the adjectives.

@&lt;strong&gt;santosh&lt;/strong&gt;, you can subscribe to all posts by email at the top of this page (or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.feedburner.com/fb/a/emailverifySubmit?feedId=822419&amp;loc=en_US&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) and you can subscribe to comments by clicking the subscribe button at the bottom of the comments page when you comment.

@&lt;strong&gt;John&lt;/strong&gt;, your last paragraph, I think, summarizes a motivation for moving up the ladder – it&#039;s more interesting up there, and more useful for a given purpose.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m grateful for the syllabus you folks have developed for me here. A colleague at Stanford recommended via email a piece on <a href="http://www.pna.es/Numeros2/pdf/Radford2012Development.pdf" rel="nofollow">Early Algebraic Thinking</a> by Radford, which I&#8217;ll also add to this pile. I&#8217;ll be digging through these links as I try to nail down the concept.</p>
<p>A few other useful remarks I&#8217;d like to highlight:</p>
<p><strong>Michael Pershan</strong> posts several questions about abstraction that may light a few useful paths through the issue for us. This one, in particular, matters to me:</p>
<blockquote><p>Is “abstract” an objective or is it subjective to learners?</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s an assertion I may regret later: the adjective &#8220;abstract&#8221; is an objective term as it&#8217;s perceived by people. A road map isn&#8217;t more or less abstract depending on whom you ask, though one&#8217;s familiarity with and comfort around that particular abstraction will vary from person to person. I&#8217;ll try to back that up in another post.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s <strong>Ben Blum-Smith</strong>, disagreeing with me:</p>
<blockquote><p>For some people, God is an abstract idea and for others God is entirely concrete.</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, I wonder if this describes someone&#8217;s <em>familiarity</em> with an abstraction of a thing and not the abstractness of the thing itself.</p>
<p><strong>David Patterson</strong> notes that the term &#8220;abstract,&#8221; as it&#8217;s used in conversations with people who didn&#8217;t enjoy math as a kid, is often just a defensive description, with no inherent meaning.</p>
<p><strong>Daniel Schneider</strong> (Mathy McMatherson) offers us several different rungs on the ladder in his quotation of Boyer. The physical five oranges goes up the ladder to <em>the picture</em> of the five oranges which goes up to the representation of the five oranges as <em>a numeral</em>.</p>
<p>This points in the direction of a definition of abstraction: when we abstract we voluntarily ignore details of a context, so that we can accomplish a goal.</p>
<p><strong>mr bombastic</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I wonder how much of the discomfort in math &#8230; is due to being paralyzed with fear as you look down from an upper step on the abstraction ladder and don’t see any steps below.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Bowen Kerins</strong>&#8216; report of student interviews ought to give all curriculum designers pause before they attempt to make math concrete by throwing in wacky &#8220;real-world&#8221; experiences. Notice also that Bowen refers to abstraction as a verb, not an adjective. I&#8217;m coming around to the idea that abstraction is a difficult target to hit as an adjective and much more interesting as a verb.</p>
<p><strong>Barry</strong> urges clearer definitions and brings in <a href="http://www.wordnik.com/words/abstract" rel="nofollow">several dictionary entries</a>. Here, again, I&#8217;ll say I find the verbs much more interesting and useful pedagogically than the adjectives.</p>
<p>@<strong>santosh</strong>, you can subscribe to all posts by email at the top of this page (or <a href="http://www.feedburner.com/fb/a/emailverifySubmit?feedId=822419&#038;loc=en_US" rel="nofollow">here</a>) and you can subscribe to comments by clicking the subscribe button at the bottom of the comments page when you comment.</p>
<p>@<strong>John</strong>, your last paragraph, I think, summarizes a motivation for moving up the ladder – it&#8217;s more interesting up there, and more useful for a given purpose.</p>
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