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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The &lt;a href=&quot;http://qamacalculator.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;QAMA Calculator&lt;/a&gt; is a weird little tool that might have some potential here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://qamacalculator.com/" rel="nofollow">QAMA Calculator</a> is a weird little tool that might have some potential here.</p>
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		By: mr bombastic		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 01:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Eddie, I would say that paper and pencil arithmetic might be a little better than calculators for number sense, but mental arithmentic is really what is needed.  I have often wondered if better number sense could be developed through the use of calculators that provide a visual image as numbers were entered and computed - some sort of visual to give a sense of scale.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eddie, I would say that paper and pencil arithmetic might be a little better than calculators for number sense, but mental arithmentic is really what is needed.  I have often wondered if better number sense could be developed through the use of calculators that provide a visual image as numbers were entered and computed &#8211; some sort of visual to give a sense of scale.</p>
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		By: Andrea		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I couldn&#039;t agree more about Steve for NCTM president!  He&#039;s always willing to roll up his sleeves to do the hard work needed to help teachers improve their math instruction!  I&#039;m fortunate enough to have benefited from his advice and expertise many times.  He needs to be at the helm of NCTM!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more about Steve for NCTM president!  He&#8217;s always willing to roll up his sleeves to do the hard work needed to help teachers improve their math instruction!  I&#8217;m fortunate enough to have benefited from his advice and expertise many times.  He needs to be at the helm of NCTM!</p>
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		By: Eddie Sacrobosco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie Sacrobosco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 17:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Christopher,

Yes, that is the paper I&#039;m referring too.  I didn&#039;t mean to imply that it was peer reviewed research - just that it is the opinion of several math PhDs backed up by what I find to be persuasive argument in favor of long division.

By the way I&#039;m not married to any particular algorithm.  As Hung-Hsi Wu points out - given a divisor and dividend a and b respectively what is important is finding q and r so that b=a*q+r in an efficient manner whatever that might be.

I sometimes speak to my students about &quot;obstacle course&quot; problems.  These are not skills problems - these are decision making problems in which several different skills are necessary at different points throughout the problem.  Long division is one of the first places I think that students encounter this as it generally requires their estimation, multiplication and subtraction skills to complete.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Christopher,</p>
<p>Yes, that is the paper I&#8217;m referring too.  I didn&#8217;t mean to imply that it was peer reviewed research &#8211; just that it is the opinion of several math PhDs backed up by what I find to be persuasive argument in favor of long division.</p>
<p>By the way I&#8217;m not married to any particular algorithm.  As Hung-Hsi Wu points out &#8211; given a divisor and dividend a and b respectively what is important is finding q and r so that b=a*q+r in an efficient manner whatever that might be.</p>
<p>I sometimes speak to my students about &#8220;obstacle course&#8221; problems.  These are not skills problems &#8211; these are decision making problems in which several different skills are necessary at different points throughout the problem.  Long division is one of the first places I think that students encounter this as it generally requires their estimation, multiplication and subtraction skills to complete.</p>
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		By: Christopher Danielson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Danielson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 14:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Eddie&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Regarding long division in particular, I would direct you to James Milgram’s paper on the importance of long division.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Just to be clear, we are discussing &lt;a href=&quot;www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/longdivision.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the unpublished one with zero research references? &lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Eddie</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Regarding long division in particular, I would direct you to James Milgram’s paper on the importance of long division.</p></blockquote>
<p>Just to be clear, we are discussing <a href="www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/longdivision.pdf" rel="nofollow">the unpublished one with zero research references? </a></p>
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		By: Eddie Sacrobosco		</title>
		<link>/2012/steven-leinwand-for-nctm-president/#comment-502271</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie Sacrobosco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 23:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Dan, I don&#039;t think that log tables and interpolation are necessary any longer - but the four basic operations on whole numbers, fractions and decimals are important to build number sense.

The logarithms would be like riding a horse or sailing - something once very useful but no longer needed.  But like walking and running - computation is the basis for everything else (and keeps us healthy!).

I believe that students build their number sense from doing calculation themselves.  I&#039;m not an absolutist but I think that the students should be given sufficient time to engage with the algorithms and achieve some level of proficiency before they shift to technology.

Thanks for taking the time to respond respectfully to a minority opinion!

Knowing what the &quot;black box&quot; is doing requires a certain amount of training - otherwise I believe that the students will only be able to follow in others footsteps rather than blazing their own trail.

I see this with technology - people are dazzled and say &quot;How can I use these great (pre-set) features?&quot; rather than thinking &quot;How can I get this gadget to do what I want it to?&quot;

In some ways technology is limiting, but don&#039;t get me wrong, it&#039;s also very enriching!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dan, I don&#8217;t think that log tables and interpolation are necessary any longer &#8211; but the four basic operations on whole numbers, fractions and decimals are important to build number sense.</p>
<p>The logarithms would be like riding a horse or sailing &#8211; something once very useful but no longer needed.  But like walking and running &#8211; computation is the basis for everything else (and keeps us healthy!).</p>
<p>I believe that students build their number sense from doing calculation themselves.  I&#8217;m not an absolutist but I think that the students should be given sufficient time to engage with the algorithms and achieve some level of proficiency before they shift to technology.</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time to respond respectfully to a minority opinion!</p>
<p>Knowing what the &#8220;black box&#8221; is doing requires a certain amount of training &#8211; otherwise I believe that the students will only be able to follow in others footsteps rather than blazing their own trail.</p>
<p>I see this with technology &#8211; people are dazzled and say &#8220;How can I use these great (pre-set) features?&#8221; rather than thinking &#8220;How can I get this gadget to do what I want it to?&#8221;</p>
<p>In some ways technology is limiting, but don&#8217;t get me wrong, it&#8217;s also very enriching!</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
		<link>/2012/steven-leinwand-for-nctm-president/#comment-502240</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 22:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s an interesting analogy, &lt;strong&gt;Eddie&lt;/strong&gt;, but it seems to recommend, also, that we should spend precious class time on the use of log tables even though we have technology that obviates it. The analogy doesn&#039;t have any jurisdiction that I can find.

None of this is to say that students shouldn&#039;t know that 843 divided by 293 is closer to 3 than 2. I don&#039;t disagree with you on number sense. That&#039;s quite a bit different than the long division algorithm for multi-digit numbers, though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting analogy, <strong>Eddie</strong>, but it seems to recommend, also, that we should spend precious class time on the use of log tables even though we have technology that obviates it. The analogy doesn&#8217;t have any jurisdiction that I can find.</p>
<p>None of this is to say that students shouldn&#8217;t know that 843 divided by 293 is closer to 3 than 2. I don&#8217;t disagree with you on number sense. That&#8217;s quite a bit different than the long division algorithm for multi-digit numbers, though.</p>
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		By: Eddie Sacrobosco		</title>
		<link>/2012/steven-leinwand-for-nctm-president/#comment-502207</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie Sacrobosco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 20:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The analogy I often use for the impact of technology on learning computation is that of transportation.

Simply because we have cars, planes, bicycles, segues and the like doesn&#039;t mean that we don&#039;t learn to walk.  Do you see many people using motorized transport to get from room to room in their home?

Not developing the number sense that you and Leinwand seem to denigrate will put students at a significant disadvantage.  I personally don&#039;t believe that learning computation through technology generates the degree of number sense that pencil and paper does - in the same way that driving your car everywhere doesn&#039;t help you be a better athlete.

Regarding long division in particular, I would direct you to James Milgram&#039;s paper on the importance of long division.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The analogy I often use for the impact of technology on learning computation is that of transportation.</p>
<p>Simply because we have cars, planes, bicycles, segues and the like doesn&#8217;t mean that we don&#8217;t learn to walk.  Do you see many people using motorized transport to get from room to room in their home?</p>
<p>Not developing the number sense that you and Leinwand seem to denigrate will put students at a significant disadvantage.  I personally don&#8217;t believe that learning computation through technology generates the degree of number sense that pencil and paper does &#8211; in the same way that driving your car everywhere doesn&#8217;t help you be a better athlete.</p>
<p>Regarding long division in particular, I would direct you to James Milgram&#8217;s paper on the importance of long division.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 18:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@&lt;strong&gt;Eddie&lt;/strong&gt;, my sense is that Leinwand&#039;s 1994 quote puts him at least two decades ahead of his time. It won&#039;t be long before multi-digit long division with pencil-and-paper seems as antiquated as log tables and slide rules.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<strong>Eddie</strong>, my sense is that Leinwand&#8217;s 1994 quote puts him at least two decades ahead of his time. It won&#8217;t be long before multi-digit long division with pencil-and-paper seems as antiquated as log tables and slide rules.</p>
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		By: Bob Lochel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Lochel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 17:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;President&quot; seems too formal of a title.  Can we go with &quot;Grand Poo-Bah&quot;?

Honestly, it would be great to have leadership that can not only inspire teachers to strive for better instruction, but could also serve as a face for national math education.  Math suffers from a big P.R. problem, as math is still often seen as a rigid, bland colossus by both our teaching peers, and by the public.  Who better than Steve to emphasize the excitement and beauty of math.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;President&#8221; seems too formal of a title.  Can we go with &#8220;Grand Poo-Bah&#8221;?</p>
<p>Honestly, it would be great to have leadership that can not only inspire teachers to strive for better instruction, but could also serve as a face for national math education.  Math suffers from a big P.R. problem, as math is still often seen as a rigid, bland colossus by both our teaching peers, and by the public.  Who better than Steve to emphasize the excitement and beauty of math.</p>
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