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		By: Christian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are you aggravated by someone wanting to make the best remedial online course possible (which can include rich tasks as well, granted, less so than IRL) or are you aggravated by policymakers seeing this is a quick fix and a way to cut costs. I&#039;m aggravated by the latter, not so by the former, as certainly in maths education there is place for both and both serve a purpose. The key word to me is variety, I&#039;m not sure if always having rich discussions all of the time when you&#039;re practicing Integration skills is a good thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you aggravated by someone wanting to make the best remedial online course possible (which can include rich tasks as well, granted, less so than IRL) or are you aggravated by policymakers seeing this is a quick fix and a way to cut costs. I&#8217;m aggravated by the latter, not so by the former, as certainly in maths education there is place for both and both serve a purpose. The key word to me is variety, I&#8217;m not sure if always having rich discussions all of the time when you&#8217;re practicing Integration skills is a good thing.</p>
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		By: The Mixed Bag of Blended Learning &#171; thegeometryteacher		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] read this from Dan Meyer (@ddmeyer): An Aggravating and Energizing Hypothetical. And I commented on [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] read this from Dan Meyer (@ddmeyer): An Aggravating and Energizing Hypothetical. And I commented on [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;John Edelson&lt;/strong&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The techies are just techies, I think you are misreading what they are saying about their technology. The techies are producing amazing tools that free almost all professions, teachers too, from drudgery and low value-added work.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Karim&lt;/strong&gt; is reading Leonard&#039;s quote literally, in fact. Leonard doesn&#039;t argue that digital technology will increase the efficiency of existing algebra courses. (Which is your point, and true.) He&#039;s saying digital technology will eliminate those existing algebra courses &lt;em&gt;entirely&lt;/em&gt;. Which is true only if we accept a really impoverished definition of &quot;algebra.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>John Edelson</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The techies are just techies, I think you are misreading what they are saying about their technology. The techies are producing amazing tools that free almost all professions, teachers too, from drudgery and low value-added work.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Karim</strong> is reading Leonard&#8217;s quote literally, in fact. Leonard doesn&#8217;t argue that digital technology will increase the efficiency of existing algebra courses. (Which is your point, and true.) He&#8217;s saying digital technology will eliminate those existing algebra courses <em>entirely</em>. Which is true only if we accept a really impoverished definition of &#8220;algebra.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Joseph		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 03:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062; All we need is one superb remedial algebra course that    &#062; can 
&#062; be effectively delivered online and, theoretically, the          &#062; demand for a zillion remedial algebra courses taught at a   &#062; zillion community colleges suddenly drops off a cliff.

Such a course does not seem to exist at the moment. Where I teach, we have many remedial math courses, with high failure rates. We would notice the advent of such a course, as we would no longer need to run these courses.

I think it would be great if something like this appeared, but I&#039;m not optimistic that anything like this is about to appear in the near future.

Consider the huge increase in computing power available to individuals over the past 50 years. What proportion of the population understands fractions now, as opposed to 50 years ago? It is not clear that this proportion has increased.

I&#039;m wary of people who discuss online education in terms of transmitting information. Its now easy to transmit information to me, but suppose I don&#039;t understand it?

Is teaching easier than grading homework? Think how far we are from a computer program that can read a written solution and grade it, as opposed to just checking whether the final answer is correct...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; All we need is one superb remedial algebra course that    &gt; can<br />
&gt; be effectively delivered online and, theoretically, the          &gt; demand for a zillion remedial algebra courses taught at a   &gt; zillion community colleges suddenly drops off a cliff.</p>
<p>Such a course does not seem to exist at the moment. Where I teach, we have many remedial math courses, with high failure rates. We would notice the advent of such a course, as we would no longer need to run these courses.</p>
<p>I think it would be great if something like this appeared, but I&#8217;m not optimistic that anything like this is about to appear in the near future.</p>
<p>Consider the huge increase in computing power available to individuals over the past 50 years. What proportion of the population understands fractions now, as opposed to 50 years ago? It is not clear that this proportion has increased.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wary of people who discuss online education in terms of transmitting information. Its now easy to transmit information to me, but suppose I don&#8217;t understand it?</p>
<p>Is teaching easier than grading homework? Think how far we are from a computer program that can read a written solution and grade it, as opposed to just checking whether the final answer is correct&#8230;</p>
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		By: Four short links: 15 February 2013 - O&#039;Reilly Radar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Four short links: 15 February 2013 - O&#039;Reilly Radar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Ed Startups in a Nutshell (Dan Meyer) &#8212; I couldn&#8217;t agree with Dan more: The Internet is like a round pipe. Lecture videos and machine-scored exercises are like round pegs. They pass easily from one end of the pipe to the other. But there are square and triangular pegs: student-student and teacher-student relationships, arguments, open problems, performance tasks, projects, modeling, and rich assessments. These pegs, right now, do not flow through that round pipe well at all. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Ed Startups in a Nutshell (Dan Meyer) &#8212; I couldn&#8217;t agree with Dan more: The Internet is like a round pipe. Lecture videos and machine-scored exercises are like round pegs. They pass easily from one end of the pipe to the other. But there are square and triangular pegs: student-student and teacher-student relationships, arguments, open problems, performance tasks, projects, modeling, and rich assessments. These pegs, right now, do not flow through that round pipe well at all. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Maryke Nau		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Kristen

I love what you said!  We talked a lot about differentiation in my teaching liscensure program, in the sense of having varying levels of rigor through out a lesson.   For the last couple of years during my evalulations with administrators most all have noticed that I talk to each student differently.  Some I support and encourage, others I start a &quot;math fight&quot; with, some I ask how their day is going (and listen to them) before talking about math, others are uncomfortable asking me for help so I start a discussion with thier neighbor and wait for them to join in.  I don&#039;t think about it, it just happens as a by-product of my effort to reach each individual student.  Its a different sort of differentiation, but its the one that gets the students to come in with a smile, engage in problems with me and their peers, and leave with a smile.  (Sometimes they even come after school for more math!)  

I wonder if anyone has ever counted the smiles on kids faces before, during, and after a session of learning math from software...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kristen</p>
<p>I love what you said!  We talked a lot about differentiation in my teaching liscensure program, in the sense of having varying levels of rigor through out a lesson.   For the last couple of years during my evalulations with administrators most all have noticed that I talk to each student differently.  Some I support and encourage, others I start a &#8220;math fight&#8221; with, some I ask how their day is going (and listen to them) before talking about math, others are uncomfortable asking me for help so I start a discussion with thier neighbor and wait for them to join in.  I don&#8217;t think about it, it just happens as a by-product of my effort to reach each individual student.  Its a different sort of differentiation, but its the one that gets the students to come in with a smile, engage in problems with me and their peers, and leave with a smile.  (Sometimes they even come after school for more math!)  </p>
<p>I wonder if anyone has ever counted the smiles on kids faces before, during, and after a session of learning math from software&#8230;</p>
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		By: a different Dave		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is it forward of me to suggest that we start talking about action steps? To get a discussion rolling:

Share positive stories with your friends and family. Talk about the kid who had a breakthrough. Talk about the student who needed someone to listen and found you. Take out the details and mention them on Facebook.

Be willing to politely stand up for education in a political discussion. It&#039;s not about instantly convincing an opponent of education to abandon their beliefs, it&#039;s about finding a middle ground that moves them one little step toward understanding reality. It&#039;s about repeatedly sanding down the points on their pitchfork.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it forward of me to suggest that we start talking about action steps? To get a discussion rolling:</p>
<p>Share positive stories with your friends and family. Talk about the kid who had a breakthrough. Talk about the student who needed someone to listen and found you. Take out the details and mention them on Facebook.</p>
<p>Be willing to politely stand up for education in a political discussion. It&#8217;s not about instantly convincing an opponent of education to abandon their beliefs, it&#8217;s about finding a middle ground that moves them one little step toward understanding reality. It&#8217;s about repeatedly sanding down the points on their pitchfork.</p>
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		By: Kristen Beck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kristen Beck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan, this is so true and as a middle school teacher, I find that the students who struggle need a positive connection to their teachers and that is something you do not get from learning on a computer.

I teach a remediation class for all math students at my school which is smaller and allows me to provided interesting/meaningful math activities (thanks to your 3-Act Math site).  I work hard to connect to the students and their needs.  

Yesterday in class, some of the students asked if they could be moved into my pre-algebra class because they were understanding math better than they had before.  I attribute that to the fact that I have worked to build a relationship with each of them.

The students who struggle in Algebra 1 need a person who is going to connect with their struggles and facilitate their learning using different tools including technology.  They need a cheerleader to provide encouragement and patience as they change their mindset about mathematics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, this is so true and as a middle school teacher, I find that the students who struggle need a positive connection to their teachers and that is something you do not get from learning on a computer.</p>
<p>I teach a remediation class for all math students at my school which is smaller and allows me to provided interesting/meaningful math activities (thanks to your 3-Act Math site).  I work hard to connect to the students and their needs.  </p>
<p>Yesterday in class, some of the students asked if they could be moved into my pre-algebra class because they were understanding math better than they had before.  I attribute that to the fact that I have worked to build a relationship with each of them.</p>
<p>The students who struggle in Algebra 1 need a person who is going to connect with their struggles and facilitate their learning using different tools including technology.  They need a cheerleader to provide encouragement and patience as they change their mindset about mathematics.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good thought&#039;s dan, but I have to jump in and make a case for &quot;widening the round pipe&quot;. I am a distance educator, and thus am forced into the internet medium, however my passion is square pegs, triangular pegs and especially pentagonal pegs... 

And the pipe is getting wider. When you are forced to work through the pipe.... then you find ways to get build relationships, and build technologies that drive towards open problems and rich assessments.

So by finding myself in a round pipe... yet a &quot;square&quot; guy, being a software and curriculum developer (curricula ware) I am trying to widen the pipe, and push the interaction envelope!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thought&#8217;s dan, but I have to jump in and make a case for &#8220;widening the round pipe&#8221;. I am a distance educator, and thus am forced into the internet medium, however my passion is square pegs, triangular pegs and especially pentagonal pegs&#8230; </p>
<p>And the pipe is getting wider. When you are forced to work through the pipe&#8230;. then you find ways to get build relationships, and build technologies that drive towards open problems and rich assessments.</p>
<p>So by finding myself in a round pipe&#8230; yet a &#8220;square&#8221; guy, being a software and curriculum developer (curricula ware) I am trying to widen the pipe, and push the interaction envelope!</p>
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		By: john edelson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Karim.  The techies are just techies, I think you are misreading what they are saying about their technology.  The techies are producing amazing tools that free almost all professions, teachers too, from drudgery and low value-added work. This is why productivity rises in most industries every year. Only teaching has not shown much productivity increase over the last half century.  Its time for that to change!

The opportunity for teachers is to embrace the technology and start really adding value, not drowning in busy-work which is easily automated. BTW, the remote lectures liberate them from having to spend time covering the material in class.   When Khan talks about the miracle of &quot;creating&quot; educational opportunities, it&#039;s more about third world situations where kids, with no decent schooling, have used a cell phone and Khan academy to educate themselves.  This is far from the US situation where we have competent teachers at all levels.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Karim.  The techies are just techies, I think you are misreading what they are saying about their technology.  The techies are producing amazing tools that free almost all professions, teachers too, from drudgery and low value-added work. This is why productivity rises in most industries every year. Only teaching has not shown much productivity increase over the last half century.  Its time for that to change!</p>
<p>The opportunity for teachers is to embrace the technology and start really adding value, not drowning in busy-work which is easily automated. BTW, the remote lectures liberate them from having to spend time covering the material in class.   When Khan talks about the miracle of &#8220;creating&#8221; educational opportunities, it&#8217;s more about third world situations where kids, with no decent schooling, have used a cell phone and Khan academy to educate themselves.  This is far from the US situation where we have competent teachers at all levels.</p>
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