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		By: Scott Wiens		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Sep 2013 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A suggestion for all, inspired by James Cleveland&#039;s statement:  &quot;(Of course, my computer [a desktop] is at the back of the room, not the front, so I do have a hard time with using it more actively. Perhaps I should move it.)&quot;

I use a wifi keyboard which allows me to stand near the front of the room and type, even though my desk is at the side.  It just can&#039;t be on a metal cart as that interferes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A suggestion for all, inspired by James Cleveland&#8217;s statement:  &#8220;(Of course, my computer [a desktop] is at the back of the room, not the front, so I do have a hard time with using it more actively. Perhaps I should move it.)&#8221;</p>
<p>I use a wifi keyboard which allows me to stand near the front of the room and type, even though my desk is at the side.  It just can&#8217;t be on a metal cart as that interferes.</p>
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		By: Math Practice #6 &#124; Bartlett Math &#38; Science		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2013 15:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Dan Meyer&#8217;s series on teaching with 3 ACT tasks emphasizes how he pushes students for precision in their discussion as they model with mathematics. LINK [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Dan Meyer&#8217;s series on teaching with 3 ACT tasks emphasizes how he pushes students for precision in their discussion as they model with mathematics. LINK [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Teaching With Three-Act Tasks: Act One		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Teaching With Three-Act Tasks: Act One]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jul 2013 00:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jul 2013 05:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Lucy, thanks for the questions. Act two is certainly where the work happens. It&#039;s less carefree than act one. This struggle is common to all math classes, though, and the methods for working with it work in a three-act structure also. (Perhaps this blog should concern itself more with those methods.)

All things being equal, though, I&#039;d rather help students with that struggle after I&#039;ve perplexed them with a question-rich act one and they know the answer will be validated in act three.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Can this be fit in a 3 Act Task? Or do you just say “Here’s the formula. Use it.” How does that work?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://threeacts.mrmeyer.com/tacocart/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a three-act task&lt;/a&gt; that uses the Pythagorean Theorem.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m also just curious in general of how often this type of task is used, say, in a unit. Can the days of just doing math (practice, practice, practice) be totally gone?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I try to use these tasks (or the principles underneath these tasks) whenever I&#039;m introducing a new concept. I try not to say things like, &quot;Today we&#039;re going to learn about standard x, y, or z.&quot; Instead I try to put students in a position where they need standard x, y, or z.

And we still practice. Lots. Fluency doesn&#039;t come for free with these tasks. The day after a three-act tasks I&#039;ll tell my students, &quot;We need to get fast and good at the kind of work we did yesterday so we can do it without thinking too much about it.&quot;

Any other questions, please let me know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lucy, thanks for the questions. Act two is certainly where the work happens. It&#8217;s less carefree than act one. This struggle is common to all math classes, though, and the methods for working with it work in a three-act structure also. (Perhaps this blog should concern itself more with those methods.)</p>
<p>All things being equal, though, I&#8217;d rather help students with that struggle after I&#8217;ve perplexed them with a question-rich act one and they know the answer will be validated in act three.</p>
<blockquote><p>Can this be fit in a 3 Act Task? Or do you just say “Here’s the formula. Use it.” How does that work?</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s <a href="http://threeacts.mrmeyer.com/tacocart/" rel="nofollow">a three-act task</a> that uses the Pythagorean Theorem.</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m also just curious in general of how often this type of task is used, say, in a unit. Can the days of just doing math (practice, practice, practice) be totally gone?</p></blockquote>
<p>I try to use these tasks (or the principles underneath these tasks) whenever I&#8217;m introducing a new concept. I try not to say things like, &#8220;Today we&#8217;re going to learn about standard x, y, or z.&#8221; Instead I try to put students in a position where they need standard x, y, or z.</p>
<p>And we still practice. Lots. Fluency doesn&#8217;t come for free with these tasks. The day after a three-act tasks I&#8217;ll tell my students, &#8220;We need to get fast and good at the kind of work we did yesterday so we can do it without thinking too much about it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Any other questions, please let me know.</p>
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		By: Lucy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jul 2013 20:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Act Two is where I would like to see more detail also. It seems like Act Two is what most of my &quot;traditional&quot; lessons. But I also agree with Jason that it would totally slow down the awesomeness set up by Act One.

Now I teach PreAlg and Alg 1 so a more applicable concept might be the Pythagoeran Theorem. I spend many days on the origin of the Theorem to hopefully get students to understand why it works. We draw squares in different contexts and find areas, look for patterns, etc. I even read them &quot;What&#039;s Your Angle, Pythagoras?&quot; (I don&#039;t know how much it helps, but they love being read to! And we write children&#039;s books about math so it&#039;s a good model.) Can this be fit in a 3 Act Task? Or do you just say &quot;Here&#039;s the formula. Use it.&quot; How does that work?

I&#039;m also just curious in general of how often this type of task is used, say, in a unit. Can the days of just doing math (practice, practice, practice) be totally gone? Or should that be a goal of mine? I love this idea, and I&#039;m confident I can run with it, but am scared to let go of my other lessons. I&#039;d really love to know what happens in the few days before and after this task.  Thanks!

On a side note, to people who think it&#039;s awesome to have summers off...I&#039;ve done more learning and planning in the 2 weeks I&#039;ve been off than I get to do during the year! I love my job.

Lucy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Act Two is where I would like to see more detail also. It seems like Act Two is what most of my &#8220;traditional&#8221; lessons. But I also agree with Jason that it would totally slow down the awesomeness set up by Act One.</p>
<p>Now I teach PreAlg and Alg 1 so a more applicable concept might be the Pythagoeran Theorem. I spend many days on the origin of the Theorem to hopefully get students to understand why it works. We draw squares in different contexts and find areas, look for patterns, etc. I even read them &#8220;What&#8217;s Your Angle, Pythagoras?&#8221; (I don&#8217;t know how much it helps, but they love being read to! And we write children&#8217;s books about math so it&#8217;s a good model.) Can this be fit in a 3 Act Task? Or do you just say &#8220;Here&#8217;s the formula. Use it.&#8221; How does that work?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also just curious in general of how often this type of task is used, say, in a unit. Can the days of just doing math (practice, practice, practice) be totally gone? Or should that be a goal of mine? I love this idea, and I&#8217;m confident I can run with it, but am scared to let go of my other lessons. I&#8217;d really love to know what happens in the few days before and after this task.  Thanks!</p>
<p>On a side note, to people who think it&#8217;s awesome to have summers off&#8230;I&#8217;ve done more learning and planning in the 2 weeks I&#8217;ve been off than I get to do during the year! I love my job.</p>
<p>Lucy</p>
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		By: David Srebnick		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jul 2013 13:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When you first asked what information you might need in order to figure out how many coins there are, I imagine one of my students saying, the guy who built it knows how many, just ask him.

I&#039;d like to see some motivation for figuring this out built into the problem.  

Example: he knows how many coins he has, he wants to know how many levels he can make.  

In all other ways, it was great to see this technique modeled... It helps me figure out how I can use it on my own.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you first asked what information you might need in order to figure out how many coins there are, I imagine one of my students saying, the guy who built it knows how many, just ask him.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see some motivation for figuring this out built into the problem.  </p>
<p>Example: he knows how many coins he has, he wants to know how many levels he can make.  </p>
<p>In all other ways, it was great to see this technique modeled&#8230; It helps me figure out how I can use it on my own.</p>
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		By: Matt Vaudrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Vaudrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2013 14:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Man, I can totally vouch for the importance of driving the focus back to primary sources and media. My Algebra classes did Timon Piccini&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://mrpiccmath.weebly.com/1/post/2011/12/3-acts-megalodon.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Megalodon 3-Act lesson&lt;/a&gt; toward the end of the school year and motivation to climb the &quot;ladder of abstraction&quot; was low. They wanted me to &lt;em&gt;give them&lt;/em&gt; the very things that I wanted them to ask for and earn. In hindsight, those are media I should have prepared ahead of time; Googling them would have likely turned up the answer to the main question: &quot;How big is that friggin&#039; shark?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I can totally vouch for the importance of driving the focus back to primary sources and media. My Algebra classes did Timon Piccini&#8217;s <a href="http://mrpiccmath.weebly.com/1/post/2011/12/3-acts-megalodon.html" rel="nofollow">Megalodon 3-Act lesson</a> toward the end of the school year and motivation to climb the &#8220;ladder of abstraction&#8221; was low. They wanted me to <em>give them</em> the very things that I wanted them to ask for and earn. In hindsight, those are media I should have prepared ahead of time; Googling them would have likely turned up the answer to the main question: &#8220;How big is that friggin&#8217; shark?&#8221;</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 14:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Sam Olderbak&lt;/strong&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;However, I still feel there is a lot of value in students figuring out the information on their own. Thoughts?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It depends on your instructional goals, really. You&#039;re adding in some extra skills there —Â one of which is interpreting media —Â that are external to some of the mathematical goals. For my part, I want students to think about a) what information they need, b) how they would get it, and after that I&#039;m happy to tell them (or show them) that information. That&#039;s my instructional goal which dictates my route through act two.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Sam Olderbak</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p>However, I still feel there is a lot of value in students figuring out the information on their own. Thoughts?</p></blockquote>
<p>It depends on your instructional goals, really. You&#8217;re adding in some extra skills there —Â one of which is interpreting media —Â that are external to some of the mathematical goals. For my part, I want students to think about a) what information they need, b) how they would get it, and after that I&#8217;m happy to tell them (or show them) that information. That&#8217;s my instructional goal which dictates my route through act two.</p>
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		By: Penny Pyramid: Modeling Real World Math &#124; BULTS BLOG		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 05:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] posting this, Dan has put up both &#8220;Teaching with Three-Act Tasks:Act Two&#8221; andÂ &#8221;Teaching with Three-Act Tasks:Act [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] posting this, Dan has put up both &#8220;Teaching with Three-Act Tasks:Act Two&#8221; andÂ &#8221;Teaching with Three-Act Tasks:Act [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Sam Olderbak		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Olderbak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 05:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the past, after asking students what information they want,I have simply given students the raw media and not done a lot of clarifying.  I make part of the problem figuring out the information.  For example, instead of telling them that the offset is half a penny and thus the dimensions of the second square would be 39x39 pennies, I would have just shown them both of the pictures and said something like, &quot;All of the information you asked for is important and would help you solve this problem, however, these pictures are all that I have to help you&quot;  After watching you I feel like this may discourage students in the future from asking for different types of information.  However, I still feel there is a lot of value in students figuring out the information on their own.  Thoughts?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the past, after asking students what information they want,I have simply given students the raw media and not done a lot of clarifying.  I make part of the problem figuring out the information.  For example, instead of telling them that the offset is half a penny and thus the dimensions of the second square would be 39&#215;39 pennies, I would have just shown them both of the pictures and said something like, &#8220;All of the information you asked for is important and would help you solve this problem, however, these pictures are all that I have to help you&#8221;  After watching you I feel like this may discourage students in the future from asking for different types of information.  However, I still feel there is a lot of value in students figuring out the information on their own.  Thoughts?</p>
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