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		By: Xavier		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xavier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. I think this sketches very well the actual situation of teaching. Very well, Dan.

Xavier.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. I think this sketches very well the actual situation of teaching. Very well, Dan.</p>
<p>Xavier.</p>
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		By: The Best Posts &#38; Articles On &#8220;Motivating&#8221; Students &#124; Larry Ferlazzo&#8217;s Websites of the Day&#8230;		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Nov 2013 01:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] The Unengageables is a must-read post by Dan Meyer. It&#8217;s specifically talking about math, but much of what he says (and links to) related to motivation issues across all classes. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The Unengageables is a must-read post by Dan Meyer. It&#8217;s specifically talking about math, but much of what he says (and links to) related to motivation issues across all classes. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Kicking things off: How do I start the facilitation of a problem? &#124; emergent math		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2013 01:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] think many of usÂ know the power of having students put some estimations up before launching in to the problem. See, they know how [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] think many of usÂ know the power of having students put some estimations up before launching in to the problem. See, they know how [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: New ways of teaching &#124; Infinite Learning		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[New ways of teaching &#124; Infinite Learning]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jul 2013 05:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] a month ago, Dan Meyer authored a blog post entitled The Unengageables in which he shared four &#8220;secret skepticisms&#8221; of teachers who attend his [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] a month ago, Dan Meyer authored a blog post entitled The Unengageables in which he shared four &#8220;secret skepticisms&#8221; of teachers who attend his [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Unengageables, Ctd.		</title>
		<link>/2013/the-unengageables/#comment-970053</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Unengageables, Ctd.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jul 2013 20:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The Unengageables [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
		<link>/2013/the-unengageables/#comment-951648</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi &lt;strong&gt;Franklin&lt;/strong&gt;, thanks for the feedback here. FWIW, I&#039;ve seen Treisman&#039;s talk &lt;a href=&quot;/?p=17047&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;three times&lt;/a&gt;. I appreciated his careful parsing of our roles both as citizens and as teachers. As citizens, we clearly need to advocate for better opportunities for students, opportunities that aren&#039;t limited by the random location of a student&#039;s birth.

&lt;blockquote&gt;If this is so — if the problems of the classroom have their root outside the classroom — then the solution will not come by change in classroom technique.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t think Treisman lets us off the hook in our role as teachers to the same extent you do. As a teacher, I can&#039;t ensure students are well-fed, living with a supportive family or included in a positive peer group outside my classroom. Agreed, there. But this particular post takes teachers to task for their conviction that some students are simply beyond engagement. That attitude lies completely within a teacher&#039;s own purview. It should be challenged and corrected.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi <strong>Franklin</strong>, thanks for the feedback here. FWIW, I&#8217;ve seen Treisman&#8217;s talk <a href="/?p=17047" rel="nofollow">three times</a>. I appreciated his careful parsing of our roles both as citizens and as teachers. As citizens, we clearly need to advocate for better opportunities for students, opportunities that aren&#8217;t limited by the random location of a student&#8217;s birth.</p>
<blockquote><p>If this is so — if the problems of the classroom have their root outside the classroom — then the solution will not come by change in classroom technique.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Treisman lets us off the hook in our role as teachers to the same extent you do. As a teacher, I can&#8217;t ensure students are well-fed, living with a supportive family or included in a positive peer group outside my classroom. Agreed, there. But this particular post takes teachers to task for their conviction that some students are simply beyond engagement. That attitude lies completely within a teacher&#8217;s own purview. It should be challenged and corrected.</p>
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		By: Franklin		</title>
		<link>/2013/the-unengageables/#comment-951215</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It seems that an assumption that runs throughout the blog and its comments is that the problems of the classroom - among which the primary is low student achievement - can be largely solved by changes in pedagogical technique. (If I&#039;ve mischaracterized anyone, I do apologize.)

I do understand why that assumption would be present here. This is a place where teachers congregate (I among them), and we of course look to change what we control.

I do grant that there&#039;s some truth to this assumption. Some technique is better than others, and we teachers ought to all strive to continually improve in this regard. But the primary cause of low student achievement has its root cause outside the classroom. This is documented is great detail in Uri Treisman&#039;s 2013 &quot;Keeping Our Eyes on the Prize&quot; address. If you haven&#039;t yet watched it, you owe it to yourself to do so. 

If this is so - if the problems of the classroom have their root outside the classroom - then the solution will not come by change in classroom technique. I do not suggest that we teachers should become quiescent and simply accept the status quo. I suggest instead that we ought to do what we can to change the world outside the classroom. This is our duty as teachers and as citizens. 

To put it a bit dramatically, we should be on the streets. And our students should be there with us. I had hoped that the OWS movement would grow into a force sufficient to remake our country and make it more just. But it seems to have fizzled. Perhaps we can reignite the spark.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that an assumption that runs throughout the blog and its comments is that the problems of the classroom &#8211; among which the primary is low student achievement &#8211; can be largely solved by changes in pedagogical technique. (If I&#8217;ve mischaracterized anyone, I do apologize.)</p>
<p>I do understand why that assumption would be present here. This is a place where teachers congregate (I among them), and we of course look to change what we control.</p>
<p>I do grant that there&#8217;s some truth to this assumption. Some technique is better than others, and we teachers ought to all strive to continually improve in this regard. But the primary cause of low student achievement has its root cause outside the classroom. This is documented is great detail in Uri Treisman&#8217;s 2013 &#8220;Keeping Our Eyes on the Prize&#8221; address. If you haven&#8217;t yet watched it, you owe it to yourself to do so. </p>
<p>If this is so &#8211; if the problems of the classroom have their root outside the classroom &#8211; then the solution will not come by change in classroom technique. I do not suggest that we teachers should become quiescent and simply accept the status quo. I suggest instead that we ought to do what we can to change the world outside the classroom. This is our duty as teachers and as citizens. </p>
<p>To put it a bit dramatically, we should be on the streets. And our students should be there with us. I had hoped that the OWS movement would grow into a force sufficient to remake our country and make it more just. But it seems to have fizzled. Perhaps we can reignite the spark.</p>
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		By: Kate Nowak		</title>
		<link>/2013/the-unengageables/#comment-950253</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate Nowak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d add to the &quot;steps we can take to acclimate our students gradually to new ways of learning math&quot; this:

Corny as it sounds, don&#039;t give up.  The first and second and tenth attempt at   -whatever it is that&#039;s a very different approach in your class - a 3Act, a project, a whatever it is -- is probably going to either fall flat or fail spectacularly.  The kids might get mad and weirdly uncooperative.  Things might happen that you didn&#039;t anticipate and don&#039;t have the skills to handle.  You aren&#039;t going to get good at planning them until you get some experience planning them. You&#039;re going to suck at this for a while.  

The worst thing to do is freak out because you think no one learned anything and go back to your comfort zone.  If I hear one more time &quot;Oh I tried something like that once, it was a disaster, so it&#039;s not for me or my kids,&quot; I might pop that person in the mouth. ONCE?  Weak.  So weak.  Stop freaking out.  Notice and celebrate little authentic victories over broad, superficial ones.  Don&#039;t try to do something radically new every day -- pick a thing and do it once a week for a whole semester.  You need to keep stretching the rubber band over and over until it loosens up and doesn&#039;t snap back all the way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d add to the &#8220;steps we can take to acclimate our students gradually to new ways of learning math&#8221; this:</p>
<p>Corny as it sounds, don&#8217;t give up.  The first and second and tenth attempt at   -whatever it is that&#8217;s a very different approach in your class &#8211; a 3Act, a project, a whatever it is &#8212; is probably going to either fall flat or fail spectacularly.  The kids might get mad and weirdly uncooperative.  Things might happen that you didn&#8217;t anticipate and don&#8217;t have the skills to handle.  You aren&#8217;t going to get good at planning them until you get some experience planning them. You&#8217;re going to suck at this for a while.  </p>
<p>The worst thing to do is freak out because you think no one learned anything and go back to your comfort zone.  If I hear one more time &#8220;Oh I tried something like that once, it was a disaster, so it&#8217;s not for me or my kids,&#8221; I might pop that person in the mouth. ONCE?  Weak.  So weak.  Stop freaking out.  Notice and celebrate little authentic victories over broad, superficial ones.  Don&#8217;t try to do something radically new every day &#8212; pick a thing and do it once a week for a whole semester.  You need to keep stretching the rubber band over and over until it loosens up and doesn&#8217;t snap back all the way.</p>
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		By: Lessons from change management that I'll probably forget		</title>
		<link>/2013/the-unengageables/#comment-949572</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lessons from change management that I'll probably forget]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jun 2013 05:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Dan Meyer — The Unengageables: [...]]]></description>
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		By: Beth C.		</title>
		<link>/2013/the-unengageables/#comment-945649</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beth C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amazing post. Brilliantly written...Thank you for the inspiration and suggestions on how to make curiosity come alive in the math classroom! I am seriously inspired to keep on keepin&#039; on!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing post. Brilliantly written&#8230;Thank you for the inspiration and suggestions on how to make curiosity come alive in the math classroom! I am seriously inspired to keep on keepin&#8217; on!</p>
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