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		By: Summer Reading July 24th &#124; Multiple Factors		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] math teachers. You can read a lot of arguments about that on Dan Meyer&#8217;s blog, like here and here, basically anything with the tag &#8220;tech contrarianism.&#8221; The article cites some kid who [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] math teachers. You can read a lot of arguments about that on Dan Meyer&#8217;s blog, like here and here, basically anything with the tag &#8220;tech contrarianism.&#8221; The article cites some kid who [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Adaptive Learning and Other Educational Challenges &#124; CAIS Commission on Professional Development		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adaptive Learning and Other Educational Challenges &#124; CAIS Commission on Professional Development]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 14:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] of history. One of Dan’s recent posts has a title that would catch anybody’s attention: “Adaptive Learning Is An Infinite iPod That Only Plays Neil Diamond.” In the post, Dan laments his encounters with futurists, who areÂ promotingÂ an adaptive [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] of history. One of Dan’s recent posts has a title that would catch anybody’s attention: “Adaptive Learning Is An Infinite iPod That Only Plays Neil Diamond.” In the post, Dan laments his encounters with futurists, who areÂ promotingÂ an adaptive [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 01:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Kevin Hall&lt;/strong&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Regarding the technical possibilities in 2014, this is an intelligent tutoring system that can interpret and respond to students’ spoken natural language dialogue.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sure. This kind of natural language parsing has been around since Eliza in the 1960s:

&lt;blockquote&gt;If the student says something recognizable as the tutorial topic (e.g., “We made a circuit”), the system moves forward by asking the student what they know about the topic: You mentioned circuits. Can you tell me what a circuit is?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe I haven&#039;t been clear about the kind of interaction I&#039;m talking about, the kind that&#039;s impossible for all adaptive learning systems in 2014 (AFAIK).

T: &quot;Pick any three consecutive whole numbers. Add them up. What do you notice?&quot;
S: &quot;All our sums are divisible by three.&quot;
T: &quot;Why do you think that is? Can you prove it&#039;ll always happen?&quot;
S: &quot;Easy. There are three numbers so they&#039;re divisible by three.&quot;

A competent flesh-and-blood teacher knows what to do next and it isn&#039;t to respond, &quot;Tell me more about numbers that are divisible by three.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Kevin Hall</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Regarding the technical possibilities in 2014, this is an intelligent tutoring system that can interpret and respond to students’ spoken natural language dialogue.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure. This kind of natural language parsing has been around since Eliza in the 1960s:</p>
<blockquote><p>If the student says something recognizable as the tutorial topic (e.g., “We made a circuit”), the system moves forward by asking the student what they know about the topic: You mentioned circuits. Can you tell me what a circuit is?</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe I haven&#8217;t been clear about the kind of interaction I&#8217;m talking about, the kind that&#8217;s impossible for all adaptive learning systems in 2014 (AFAIK).</p>
<p>T: &#8220;Pick any three consecutive whole numbers. Add them up. What do you notice?&#8221;<br />
S: &#8220;All our sums are divisible by three.&#8221;<br />
T: &#8220;Why do you think that is? Can you prove it&#8217;ll always happen?&#8221;<br />
S: &#8220;Easy. There are three numbers so they&#8217;re divisible by three.&#8221;</p>
<p>A competent flesh-and-blood teacher knows what to do next and it isn&#8217;t to respond, &#8220;Tell me more about numbers that are divisible by three.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Adaptive Learning and Other Educational Challenges &#124; Collaboratoria		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 19:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] One of Dan&#8217;s recent posts has a title that would catch anybody&#8217;s attention: &#8220;Adaptive Learning Is An Infinite iPod That Only Plays Neil Diamond.&#8221; In the post, Dan laments his encounters with futurists, who areÂ promotingÂ an adaptive [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] One of Dan&#8217;s recent posts has a title that would catch anybody&#8217;s attention: &#8220;Adaptive Learning Is An Infinite iPod That Only Plays Neil Diamond.&#8221; In the post, Dan laments his encounters with futurists, who areÂ promotingÂ an adaptive [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Educational Policy Information		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 07:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Adaptive Learning Is An Infinite iPod That Only Plays Neil Diamond is by Dan Meyer. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Adaptive Learning Is An Infinite iPod That Only Plays Neil Diamond is by Dan Meyer. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: The Best Posts &#38; Articles Highlighting Why We Need To Be Very Careful Around Ed Tech &#124; Larry Ferlazzo&#8217;s Websites of the Day&#8230;		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Best Posts &#38; Articles Highlighting Why We Need To Be Very Careful Around Ed Tech &#124; Larry Ferlazzo&#8217;s Websites of the Day&#8230;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 03:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Adaptive Learning Is An Infinite iPod That Only Plays Neil Diamond is by Dan Meyer. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Adaptive Learning Is An Infinite iPod That Only Plays Neil Diamond is by Dan Meyer. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Kevin Hall		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 02:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding the technical possibilities in 2014, this is an intelligent tutoring system that can interpret and respond to students&#039; spoken natural language dialogue:

http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy.optionToBuy&#038;id=2013-31542-001

I&#039;m sorry I wrote 3 replies to this post--I should learn not to reply until I&#039;ve gathered all my thoughts, but in this case I&#039;m afraid I replied piecemeal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the technical possibilities in 2014, this is an intelligent tutoring system that can interpret and respond to students&#8217; spoken natural language dialogue:</p>
<p><a href="http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy.optionToBuy&#038;id=2013-31542-001" rel="nofollow ugc">http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy.optionToBuy&#038;id=2013-31542-001</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry I wrote 3 replies to this post&#8211;I should learn not to reply until I&#8217;ve gathered all my thoughts, but in this case I&#8217;m afraid I replied piecemeal.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2014 17:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Tim Hudson&lt;/strong&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;We need to evaluate new technology in light of learning principles and student performance just like we do with print resources. And we can’t lump all adaptive learning together just like we can’t overgeneralize about all classrooms, all worksheets, or all schools.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There are crucial differences between adaptive learning platforms, of course, but there &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; valid and useful ways to lump those platforms together.

I&#039;m happy to be corrected here but AFAIK no adaptive learning platform in 2014 can parse a student&#039;s natural language conjecture and evaluate that conjecture as true or false.

That generalization may not be true for all time but in 2014 it&#039;s a fair generalization. And a crucial one, since constructing and critiquing conjectures is one of those eight big things students are supposed to be doing in a CCSS math class.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Tim Hudson</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p>We need to evaluate new technology in light of learning principles and student performance just like we do with print resources. And we can’t lump all adaptive learning together just like we can’t overgeneralize about all classrooms, all worksheets, or all schools.</p></blockquote>
<p>There are crucial differences between adaptive learning platforms, of course, but there <em>are</em> valid and useful ways to lump those platforms together.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to be corrected here but AFAIK no adaptive learning platform in 2014 can parse a student&#8217;s natural language conjecture and evaluate that conjecture as true or false.</p>
<p>That generalization may not be true for all time but in 2014 it&#8217;s a fair generalization. And a crucial one, since constructing and critiquing conjectures is one of those eight big things students are supposed to be doing in a CCSS math class.</p>
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		By: Ian Rae		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian Rae]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2014 16:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062; many of whom have never been in a class where math was anything but watching someone lecture about a procedure and then replicating that procedure twenty times on a piece of paper. 

Surely this is the real problem. Few teachers know or even attempt math as a social process.

That&#039;s why this is a valuable blog for both futurists and practitioners.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; many of whom have never been in a class where math was anything but watching someone lecture about a procedure and then replicating that procedure twenty times on a piece of paper. </p>
<p>Surely this is the real problem. Few teachers know or even attempt math as a social process.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why this is a valuable blog for both futurists and practitioners.</p>
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		By: Tim Hudson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hudson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2014 15:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Dan — In that particular talk, I don’t recall Burkhardt referencing Hatano. Three slides after mentioning ‘adaptive expertise,’ he discussed design tactics for several teaching challenges, the very first one being that “1 teacher has to adapt teaching to 25 students.” It’s this classroom reality that I was referring to in my first comment and that I think is most relevant to this iPod conversation. It’s good to have a thorough definition of ‘adaptive expertise,’ and I think we need to better define what ‘adaptive learning’ means. I don’t think there’s agreement on the key term under discussion.

Many print and digital learning resources — adaptive or otherwise — are designed so that lessons basically involve students being shown how to execute a particular skill that they then practice. It sounds like Scott has seen the negative impact of this design in one adaptive technology program — where if a student gets a practice problem wrong, the only prescription available for support is more of the same direct explanation repeated again. More cowbell. More Neil Diamond.

We need to evaluate new technology in light of learning principles and student performance just like we do with print resources. And we can’t lump all adaptive learning together just like we can’t overgeneralize about all classrooms, all worksheets, or all schools.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan — In that particular talk, I don’t recall Burkhardt referencing Hatano. Three slides after mentioning ‘adaptive expertise,’ he discussed design tactics for several teaching challenges, the very first one being that “1 teacher has to adapt teaching to 25 students.” It’s this classroom reality that I was referring to in my first comment and that I think is most relevant to this iPod conversation. It’s good to have a thorough definition of ‘adaptive expertise,’ and I think we need to better define what ‘adaptive learning’ means. I don’t think there’s agreement on the key term under discussion.</p>
<p>Many print and digital learning resources — adaptive or otherwise — are designed so that lessons basically involve students being shown how to execute a particular skill that they then practice. It sounds like Scott has seen the negative impact of this design in one adaptive technology program — where if a student gets a practice problem wrong, the only prescription available for support is more of the same direct explanation repeated again. More cowbell. More Neil Diamond.</p>
<p>We need to evaluate new technology in light of learning principles and student performance just like we do with print resources. And we can’t lump all adaptive learning together just like we can’t overgeneralize about all classrooms, all worksheets, or all schools.</p>
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