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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Real Work v. Real World		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Real Work v. Real World]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] That work can be real or fake also. The fake work is narrowly focused on precise, abstract, formal calculation. It&#8217;s necessary but it interests students less. It interests the world less also. Real work — interesting work, the sort of work students might like to do later in life — involves problem formulation and question development. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] That work can be real or fake also. The fake work is narrowly focused on precise, abstract, formal calculation. It&#8217;s necessary but it interests students less. It interests the world less also. Real work — interesting work, the sort of work students might like to do later in life — involves problem formulation and question development. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Look on my assessments, ye Mighty, and despair! &#124; Team Mississippi Math		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Look on my assessments, ye Mighty, and despair! &#124; Team Mississippi Math]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2014 22:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] have to understand the knowledge and skills well enough to solve a compelling question. Dan Meyer had a great conversation with Daniel Willingham (author of Why Students Don’t Like School) that reinforces this idea with [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] have to understand the knowledge and skills well enough to solve a compelling question. Dan Meyer had a great conversation with Daniel Willingham (author of Why Students Don’t Like School) that reinforces this idea with [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Noticings, Wonderings, and When To Use Them &#124; Five Twelve Thirteen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Noticings, Wonderings, and When To Use Them &#124; Five Twelve Thirteen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2014 02:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] posted this week on the idea of developing the question.Â He describes it this [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] posted this week on the idea of developing the question.Â He describes it this [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Engaged teachers engage students &#124; leslie billings		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Engaged teachers engage students &#124; leslie billings]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] morning I was reading Dan Meyer&#8217;s blog about developing questionsÂ that will engage students with problems. Â I would like to be able to ask better questions; as a [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] morning I was reading Dan Meyer&#8217;s blog about developing questionsÂ that will engage students with problems. Â I would like to be able to ask better questions; as a [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Kyle Pearce		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle Pearce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2014 12:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Like you might expect from a typical &quot;numbers guy,&quot; I used to believe there should be a huge importance put on standardized tests.  &quot;How else will we know whether our students understand comparatively to everyone else?&quot;  This was only a couple years ago and I am pretty saddened by how off-the-mark I was.  What I realized over time is that it is easy to get kids to regurgitate answers to questions that all look the same through repetition.  However, they would still struggle with problems that made them think - aka problems that didn&#039;t look like anything they had been practicing.  How well does that prepare them for the &quot;real world?&quot;

Standardized testing promotes finding answers rather than developing the question which in turn, makes learning a chore.  I think this can also be found in other areas of life, but is not as prevalent as we might see in school.  For example, when you coach a sport, repetition drills are used for developing skills just as we see in math class.  We don&#039;t have the same problem in sports because I&#039;d like to believe that the question has been fully developed by the coach prior to the drill or is simply so obvious that players understand why they are trying to get to the result.  It also helps that (most) athletes play sports because they want to, not because they have to.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like you might expect from a typical &#8220;numbers guy,&#8221; I used to believe there should be a huge importance put on standardized tests.  &#8220;How else will we know whether our students understand comparatively to everyone else?&#8221;  This was only a couple years ago and I am pretty saddened by how off-the-mark I was.  What I realized over time is that it is easy to get kids to regurgitate answers to questions that all look the same through repetition.  However, they would still struggle with problems that made them think &#8211; aka problems that didn&#8217;t look like anything they had been practicing.  How well does that prepare them for the &#8220;real world?&#8221;</p>
<p>Standardized testing promotes finding answers rather than developing the question which in turn, makes learning a chore.  I think this can also be found in other areas of life, but is not as prevalent as we might see in school.  For example, when you coach a sport, repetition drills are used for developing skills just as we see in math class.  We don&#8217;t have the same problem in sports because I&#8217;d like to believe that the question has been fully developed by the coach prior to the drill or is simply so obvious that players understand why they are trying to get to the result.  It also helps that (most) athletes play sports because they want to, not because they have to.</p>
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		By: Ron Fischman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Fischman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2014 12:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m curious, too. Even though these days I&#039;m researching and blogging about the value of CAI for remediating dyscalculia, I&#039;m acutely aware that if the underlying questions are not developed, the student doesn&#039;t care. 

I have taught in an environment of &quot;The (standardized test) is our business, and our students&#039; scores are our product&quot;and it was horrid. When I went off-script to do real-life math labs, like measuring, sectioning, and spec-ing out a new playground, the class was engaged and happy. When I was forced to go back on script by administration, they became restless and disruptive.

Duh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious, too. Even though these days I&#8217;m researching and blogging about the value of CAI for remediating dyscalculia, I&#8217;m acutely aware that if the underlying questions are not developed, the student doesn&#8217;t care. </p>
<p>I have taught in an environment of &#8220;The (standardized test) is our business, and our students&#8217; scores are our product&#8221;and it was horrid. When I went off-script to do real-life math labs, like measuring, sectioning, and spec-ing out a new playground, the class was engaged and happy. When I was forced to go back on script by administration, they became restless and disruptive.</p>
<p>Duh.</p>
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		By: Kyle Pearce		</title>
		<link>/2014/developing-the-question-why-students-dont-like-math/#comment-2172318</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle Pearce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Literally just finished an audiobook a couple days ago and have been looking for the next to get in for a drive up North this weekend!  Looks like Daniel Willingham&#039;s book is next up!

Excited to see the differences between missing the mark and getting it right.  Regardless of how visual or real you make a problem, the development of the question can easily make or break the learning experience.  Although aware and continually working on this, I still see some of my questions crash and burn.

Looking forward to it!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Literally just finished an audiobook a couple days ago and have been looking for the next to get in for a drive up North this weekend!  Looks like Daniel Willingham&#8217;s book is next up!</p>
<p>Excited to see the differences between missing the mark and getting it right.  Regardless of how visual or real you make a problem, the development of the question can easily make or break the learning experience.  Although aware and continually working on this, I still see some of my questions crash and burn.</p>
<p>Looking forward to it!</p>
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		By: Roxygirl Teacher		</title>
		<link>/2014/developing-the-question-why-students-dont-like-math/#comment-2171087</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roxygirl Teacher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 03:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this. I know I could definitely use help in this area and I am excited to learn more. :o)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this. I know I could definitely use help in this area and I am excited to learn more. :o)</p>
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		By: Math Curmudgeon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Math Curmudgeon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 00:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I appreciate the praise and the shoutout, but I should note the reasons I went beyond 180:
1) It&#039;s fun.
2) I find them useful and since I teach 7 different preps I&#039;d like to get more for each general topic.

but mostly,
3) I don&#039;t get them all right.

This is definitely a work in progress and I don&#039;t hit the mark each time. I&#039;ll feel good about ending the project when each major course/topic has 90 or so good questions and/or arguments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the praise and the shoutout, but I should note the reasons I went beyond 180:<br />
1) It&#8217;s fun.<br />
2) I find them useful and since I teach 7 different preps I&#8217;d like to get more for each general topic.</p>
<p>but mostly,<br />
3) I don&#8217;t get them all right.</p>
<p>This is definitely a work in progress and I don&#8217;t hit the mark each time. I&#8217;ll feel good about ending the project when each major course/topic has 90 or so good questions and/or arguments.</p>
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