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		By: Jason Dyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2014 16:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve heard the &quot;let&#039;s all use the same Calculus textbook&quot; argument before but:

1. Try to get a group of people to argue which textbook is the Master Textbook to Rule Them All. Things will fall apart. By popularity I would guess Stewart, but you&#039;ll find a lot of Stewart haters out there.

2. Actually putting forth special effort to make the One Master Textbook isn&#039;t any different than picking an already existing one. Nobody puts all the work in attempting to write a bad textbook. (And arguing that &#039;it would be a team effort&#039; -- well, plenty of textbooks are also team efforts. Often the solo efforts end up being more readable.)

3. Mathematical exposition has changed, historically, over time. This isn&#039;t just manner of proof, but manner of writing and presentation and ordering and other important cognitive things. Assuming that a snapshot can perfect the presentation for all time is bizarre. The closest that&#039;s ever been reached is by Euclid (and there are places that still use original Euclid) but it is very hard to argue there is no better way to write a geometry textbook.

4. Context matters: someone gunning to be a mathematician and someone aiming to be an engineer will value different things in their learning (and, indeed, there are sometimes different classes with different textbooks).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard the &#8220;let&#8217;s all use the same Calculus textbook&#8221; argument before but:</p>
<p>1. Try to get a group of people to argue which textbook is the Master Textbook to Rule Them All. Things will fall apart. By popularity I would guess Stewart, but you&#8217;ll find a lot of Stewart haters out there.</p>
<p>2. Actually putting forth special effort to make the One Master Textbook isn&#8217;t any different than picking an already existing one. Nobody puts all the work in attempting to write a bad textbook. (And arguing that &#8216;it would be a team effort&#8217; &#8212; well, plenty of textbooks are also team efforts. Often the solo efforts end up being more readable.)</p>
<p>3. Mathematical exposition has changed, historically, over time. This isn&#8217;t just manner of proof, but manner of writing and presentation and ordering and other important cognitive things. Assuming that a snapshot can perfect the presentation for all time is bizarre. The closest that&#8217;s ever been reached is by Euclid (and there are places that still use original Euclid) but it is very hard to argue there is no better way to write a geometry textbook.</p>
<p>4. Context matters: someone gunning to be a mathematician and someone aiming to be an engineer will value different things in their learning (and, indeed, there are sometimes different classes with different textbooks).</p>
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		By: TMC14 and my response to Dan Meyer&#8217;s Keynote &#124; One of Thirty Voices		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TMC14 and my response to Dan Meyer&#8217;s Keynote &#124; One of Thirty Voices]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2014 02:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] in with the sharing. Other teachers need to know about the things we are talking about. Your blog about Rand Paul touched a nerve for a lot of people, about ineffective and effective teachers. There was a comment [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] in with the sharing. Other teachers need to know about the things we are talking about. Your blog about Rand Paul touched a nerve for a lot of people, about ineffective and effective teachers. There was a comment [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Joel Patterson		</title>
		<link>/2014/rand-paul-fixes-calculus/#comment-2166644</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2014 23:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John--um, when I read this:
&quot;Our calculus text books contradict each other so much that even Americans who take calculus in high school really do NOT know which version is correct, much less how to explain it.&quot; 
I&#039;m not sure &#039;contradict&#039; the accurate word for this.  Every Calculus book I&#039;ve seen has the same definitions for the derivative, and same set of integral tables, same infinite series for sin(x) and cos(x).  Some develop ideas in a different order, some use different proofs for the FTC, but they are all pretty much factually correct.  
Why not let the different textbooks coexist and give teachers the time to compare the differences for themselves to decide what&#039;s best for the students they have?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John&#8211;um, when I read this:<br />
&#8220;Our calculus text books contradict each other so much that even Americans who take calculus in high school really do NOT know which version is correct, much less how to explain it.&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m not sure &#8216;contradict&#8217; the accurate word for this.  Every Calculus book I&#8217;ve seen has the same definitions for the derivative, and same set of integral tables, same infinite series for sin(x) and cos(x).  Some develop ideas in a different order, some use different proofs for the FTC, but they are all pretty much factually correct.<br />
Why not let the different textbooks coexist and give teachers the time to compare the differences for themselves to decide what&#8217;s best for the students they have?</p>
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		By: Joel Patterson		</title>
		<link>/2014/rand-paul-fixes-calculus/#comment-2166637</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2014 23:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chris, I&#039;ve heard that statement a few times, and it bothered me, too.  Then I figured they were just trying to express hopefulness about their child making it further along than they did...  which is pretty much every parent&#039;s goal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I&#8217;ve heard that statement a few times, and it bothered me, too.  Then I figured they were just trying to express hopefulness about their child making it further along than they did&#8230;  which is pretty much every parent&#8217;s goal.</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
		<link>/2014/rand-paul-fixes-calculus/#comment-2164437</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2014 05:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It bothers me when I hear parents saying they wish they&#039;d been taught like that (especially based on a one-off lesson). I bet their teacher from back in the day wishes they&#039;d always turned up as a motivated, focused student eager to learn?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It bothers me when I hear parents saying they wish they&#8217;d been taught like that (especially based on a one-off lesson). I bet their teacher from back in the day wishes they&#8217;d always turned up as a motivated, focused student eager to learn?</p>
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		By: Kenneth Tilton		</title>
		<link>/2014/rand-paul-fixes-calculus/#comment-2143174</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Michael, you are right. Many teachers blame the students for their bad teaching.  Well, maybe if a world of better teaching grows around them they will quietly mend their ways.

@Joel, you are right, too. I should be talking about ineffective teaching. Those teaching that way are victims of our &quot;cowboy&quot; approach to teaching, in which every teacher is supposed to go out their and figure it out for themselves. What profession works that way? If we make teaching a true profession with clear best practices and books and software, /then/ we can start talking about individuals who fail to measure up to those standards. I doubt there will be many.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael, you are right. Many teachers blame the students for their bad teaching.  Well, maybe if a world of better teaching grows around them they will quietly mend their ways.</p>
<p>@Joel, you are right, too. I should be talking about ineffective teaching. Those teaching that way are victims of our &#8220;cowboy&#8221; approach to teaching, in which every teacher is supposed to go out their and figure it out for themselves. What profession works that way? If we make teaching a true profession with clear best practices and books and software, /then/ we can start talking about individuals who fail to measure up to those standards. I doubt there will be many.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
		<link>/2014/rand-paul-fixes-calculus/#comment-2143133</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Less than 5% of American high school students graduate with calculus behind them, and my bet is that he&#039;s one of them.  So he&#039;s not the idiot people on this forum want to make him out to be.  Clearly he will never intend to take away math teaching jobs (if there ARE any in the US), but I&#039;m 100% behind ONE calculus expert documenting what it&#039;s really all about.

Our calculus text books contradict each other so much that even Americans who take calculus in high school really do NOT know which version is correct, much less how to explain it.

At least give Rand Paul that much credit, even if he is dead wrong (and contrary to his father) regarding illegal aliens.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Less than 5% of American high school students graduate with calculus behind them, and my bet is that he&#8217;s one of them.  So he&#8217;s not the idiot people on this forum want to make him out to be.  Clearly he will never intend to take away math teaching jobs (if there ARE any in the US), but I&#8217;m 100% behind ONE calculus expert documenting what it&#8217;s really all about.</p>
<p>Our calculus text books contradict each other so much that even Americans who take calculus in high school really do NOT know which version is correct, much less how to explain it.</p>
<p>At least give Rand Paul that much credit, even if he is dead wrong (and contrary to his father) regarding illegal aliens.</p>
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		By: Eric I.		</title>
		<link>/2014/rand-paul-fixes-calculus/#comment-2142846</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is this a future gem from Rand Paul?

&quot;If you have one person in the country who is, like, the best at performing heart surgery, that person maybe should perform every heart surgery in the country.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this a future gem from Rand Paul?</p>
<p>&#8220;If you have one person in the country who is, like, the best at performing heart surgery, that person maybe should perform every heart surgery in the country.&#8221;</p>
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		By: TonyB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The myth of &quot;the one best teacher&quot; is compounded with the &quot;one ideal solution&quot; illusion. As a result, education is unduly fad driven. Right now there&#039;s a boomlet for &quot;accelerated curriculum&quot; such as Statway. You know what? At my college it works &lt;i&gt;great&lt;/i&gt;! But it&#039;s not for every student who needs algebra and statistics. Ditto with our self-paced drop-in learning center. Some students need more structure. Years ago we introduced &quot;splits&quot; which take a one-semester class and slow it down into a two-semester sequence. Some slow-learners like it.

I hope we&#039;re finally taking seriously the problem of properly pacing students in the learning environment that best suits them, whether standard lecture classroom, accelerated or decelerated program, self-paced, on-line, etc., etc. Of course, we&#039;re hobbled by limited resources from offering every learning mode for every course, but the emphasis on proper placement is one trend I heartily support.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The myth of &#8220;the one best teacher&#8221; is compounded with the &#8220;one ideal solution&#8221; illusion. As a result, education is unduly fad driven. Right now there&#8217;s a boomlet for &#8220;accelerated curriculum&#8221; such as Statway. You know what? At my college it works <i>great</i>! But it&#8217;s not for every student who needs algebra and statistics. Ditto with our self-paced drop-in learning center. Some students need more structure. Years ago we introduced &#8220;splits&#8221; which take a one-semester class and slow it down into a two-semester sequence. Some slow-learners like it.</p>
<p>I hope we&#8217;re finally taking seriously the problem of properly pacing students in the learning environment that best suits them, whether standard lecture classroom, accelerated or decelerated program, self-paced, on-line, etc., etc. Of course, we&#8217;re hobbled by limited resources from offering every learning mode for every course, but the emphasis on proper placement is one trend I heartily support.</p>
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		By: Shaun Errichiello		</title>
		<link>/2014/rand-paul-fixes-calculus/#comment-2137847</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I try and imagine all the progress that would be lost throughout history if we applied Paul&#039;s thinking to long ago.

If we propped up one teacher and said, &quot;this person is the best, let&#039;s use their style everywhere,&quot; there would be no room for innovation (certainly not for three act lessons). 

What a sad world it would be!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I try and imagine all the progress that would be lost throughout history if we applied Paul&#8217;s thinking to long ago.</p>
<p>If we propped up one teacher and said, &#8220;this person is the best, let&#8217;s use their style everywhere,&#8221; there would be no room for innovation (certainly not for three act lessons). </p>
<p>What a sad world it would be!</p>
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