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		By: Hacker-Proof &#8211; Tweaking For No Reason		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] comfortable with 1:1, the temptation is to use a tech tool for everything. But as many of my PLN have pointed out, it&#8217;s worth asking the question: &#8220;Is it better on [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] comfortable with 1:1, the temptation is to use a tech tool for everything. But as many of my PLN have pointed out, it&#8217;s worth asking the question: &#8220;Is it better on [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Patty Stephens		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty Stephens]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2015 16:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@mike Thanks for the suggestions, you&#039;ve given me some food for thought.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mike Thanks for the suggestions, you&#8217;ve given me some food for thought.</p>
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		By: mike		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2015 15:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@I Hodge

The more I think of it and with your points in mind, the more I&#039;m coming around to the conclusion that this activity is actually not well suited to the Activity Builder at all.

The back and forth, single screen at a time, nature of AB is a big drawback in the reflection process for students, and for me when attempting to connect their recorded ideas with their recorded graphs in the AB. And for that matter when I attempt to assess their thoughts. It&#039;s constantly back and forth between 10 screens for 30 students. Not efficient and you start to lose the plot(pun intended) quickly when reviewing such things.

Instead, this activity actually seems ideal for Desmos standalone, uncoupled from the Activity Builder.

The Activity Builder has its place - more of a loose investigative tool than serious assessment piece in my opinion - but this activity isn&#039;t the place. 

Desmos alone along with a Google Doc or even old school piece of paper is superior.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@I Hodge</p>
<p>The more I think of it and with your points in mind, the more I&#8217;m coming around to the conclusion that this activity is actually not well suited to the Activity Builder at all.</p>
<p>The back and forth, single screen at a time, nature of AB is a big drawback in the reflection process for students, and for me when attempting to connect their recorded ideas with their recorded graphs in the AB. And for that matter when I attempt to assess their thoughts. It&#8217;s constantly back and forth between 10 screens for 30 students. Not efficient and you start to lose the plot(pun intended) quickly when reviewing such things.</p>
<p>Instead, this activity actually seems ideal for Desmos standalone, uncoupled from the Activity Builder.</p>
<p>The Activity Builder has its place &#8211; more of a loose investigative tool than serious assessment piece in my opinion &#8211; but this activity isn&#8217;t the place. </p>
<p>Desmos alone along with a Google Doc or even old school piece of paper is superior.</p>
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		By: l hodge		</title>
		<link>/2015/desmosify-your-worksheet/#comment-2414628</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2015 20:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was thinking about this some more and went through &#038; &lt;a href=&quot;https://teacher.desmos.com/activitybuilder/custom/5650778c864d65101dc0fb96/edit&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; did an implicit activity builder &lt;/a&gt; for this task.  You are right.  The task builder part of it is quick and easy to use.  I believe it will be a helpful tool for me at some point.  

But, it is not easy or quick to come up with questions for the implicit task that benefit from the activity builder format.  

What did your activity builder add to the task?  I can ask the class before providing the handout what they think the graph looks like, though I prefer the question on the handout of what does the shape look like.  The latter questions on the handout do not give away the answer to the prior questions.  It takes little more than a glance at their DESMOS screens to see how students are approaching the problem.  On the other hand, if they are working in activity builder, I simply see an image of the graph on most of the pages (not their tangent lines &#038; equations &#038; sliders).  By the same token, the students do not have access to the calculator feature on most of the screens (they are looking at a fixed image) and may need to toggle back and forth.  The handout is clean and simply stated whereas activity builder preview shows 9 screen shots.

Activity builder does seem like a promising tool.  But, ... something about a hammer and seeing nails everywhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking about this some more and went through &amp; <a href="https://teacher.desmos.com/activitybuilder/custom/5650778c864d65101dc0fb96/edit" rel="nofollow"> did an implicit activity builder </a> for this task.  You are right.  The task builder part of it is quick and easy to use.  I believe it will be a helpful tool for me at some point.  </p>
<p>But, it is not easy or quick to come up with questions for the implicit task that benefit from the activity builder format.  </p>
<p>What did your activity builder add to the task?  I can ask the class before providing the handout what they think the graph looks like, though I prefer the question on the handout of what does the shape look like.  The latter questions on the handout do not give away the answer to the prior questions.  It takes little more than a glance at their DESMOS screens to see how students are approaching the problem.  On the other hand, if they are working in activity builder, I simply see an image of the graph on most of the pages (not their tangent lines &amp; equations &amp; sliders).  By the same token, the students do not have access to the calculator feature on most of the screens (they are looking at a fixed image) and may need to toggle back and forth.  The handout is clean and simply stated whereas activity builder preview shows 9 screen shots.</p>
<p>Activity builder does seem like a promising tool.  But, &#8230; something about a hammer and seeing nails everywhere.</p>
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		By: l hodge		</title>
		<link>/2015/desmosify-your-worksheet/#comment-2414600</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2015 04:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Agreed interesting questions are key.  Product of the tangent line being positive or negative is nice.  Leftmost point is a great question.

Predict the shape of the graph is too intimidating of a start.  The sum of the x &#038; y coordinates of all of the intercepts is a low entry bar, for sure, but maybe a little too low.  Alternatives:  

-	“Blotch Out” a section around (2,0) and ask for the other x-intercept;  

-	The x-intercepts are 3 units apart, how far apart are the points with a y-coordinate of -2?  Analogous question with y-intercepts; 

-	Did you notice that the x-intercepts are pretty similar to the y-intercepts?  If possible, list a few other pairs of points that have this sort of symmetry. 

Do you think there are there any two points that have the same slope?

Imagine where the tangent lines at the x-intercepts meet &#038; where those at the y-intercept meet.  Do you think all 4 tangents meet at the same point?  If not, which intersection would be farther from the origin?


You mention some using sliders to get the slope.  It seems odd that an “implicit differentiation” worksheet could be completed without actually having the ability to differentiate implicitly.  If it were possible, I would disable the sliders for this activity. 

Screen 6:  What method did you use?  Good grief.  I used the method that is the title of the handout or I slid sliders until it looked about right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed interesting questions are key.  Product of the tangent line being positive or negative is nice.  Leftmost point is a great question.</p>
<p>Predict the shape of the graph is too intimidating of a start.  The sum of the x &amp; y coordinates of all of the intercepts is a low entry bar, for sure, but maybe a little too low.  Alternatives:  </p>
<p>&#8211;	“Blotch Out” a section around (2,0) and ask for the other x-intercept;  </p>
<p>&#8211;	The x-intercepts are 3 units apart, how far apart are the points with a y-coordinate of -2?  Analogous question with y-intercepts; </p>
<p>&#8211;	Did you notice that the x-intercepts are pretty similar to the y-intercepts?  If possible, list a few other pairs of points that have this sort of symmetry. </p>
<p>Do you think there are there any two points that have the same slope?</p>
<p>Imagine where the tangent lines at the x-intercepts meet &amp; where those at the y-intercept meet.  Do you think all 4 tangents meet at the same point?  If not, which intersection would be farther from the origin?</p>
<p>You mention some using sliders to get the slope.  It seems odd that an “implicit differentiation” worksheet could be completed without actually having the ability to differentiate implicitly.  If it were possible, I would disable the sliders for this activity. </p>
<p>Screen 6:  What method did you use?  Good grief.  I used the method that is the title of the handout or I slid sliders until it looked about right.</p>
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		By: Mike		</title>
		<link>/2015/desmosify-your-worksheet/#comment-2414596</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2015 02:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Patty

Maybe have an open ended question where students can try powers other 2 to create something interesting.
Maybe challenge them to produce a particular graph given only its picture.
Or extend hyperbolic geometry to 3d? https://www.desmos.com/calculator/wed8h1huzs]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Patty</p>
<p>Maybe have an open ended question where students can try powers other 2 to create something interesting.<br />
Maybe challenge them to produce a particular graph given only its picture.<br />
Or extend hyperbolic geometry to 3d? <a href="https://www.desmos.com/calculator/wed8h1huzs" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.desmos.com/calculator/wed8h1huzs</a></p>
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		By: Mike		</title>
		<link>/2015/desmosify-your-worksheet/#comment-2414595</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2015 02:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I love the activity builder but in this case I&#039;m not so sure the original activity isn&#039;t a better option. Here&#039;s why:

1.submitting via google docs allows for a highly detailed and ongoing feedback dialogue. AB does not.

2. Saving graphs in the Desmos app allows for revisiting and building families of related ideas and functions that AB cannot in near the same ongoing basis: learning is a static loop.

Sometimes these points don&#039;t matter, but here, they do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the activity builder but in this case I&#8217;m not so sure the original activity isn&#8217;t a better option. Here&#8217;s why:</p>
<p>1.submitting via google docs allows for a highly detailed and ongoing feedback dialogue. AB does not.</p>
<p>2. Saving graphs in the Desmos app allows for revisiting and building families of related ideas and functions that AB cannot in near the same ongoing basis: learning is a static loop.</p>
<p>Sometimes these points don&#8217;t matter, but here, they do.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2015 23:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@&lt;strong&gt;Ryan&lt;/strong&gt;, great question. Each week, I review over 100 random activities from the community, intent on a) building our pool of searchable activities, and b) creating some initial hypotheses about &quot;what works.&quot;

And the sequence you defined shows up again and again. (I like how &lt;strong&gt;Patty&lt;/strong&gt; puts it to work also.)

It isn&#039;t the only productive sequence, of course. Dylan Kane &lt;a href=&quot;https://fivetwelvethirteen.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/intellectual-need-formative-assessment-and-desmos-activity-builder/comment-page-1/#comment-956&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;describes another&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<strong>Ryan</strong>, great question. Each week, I review over 100 random activities from the community, intent on a) building our pool of searchable activities, and b) creating some initial hypotheses about &#8220;what works.&#8221;</p>
<p>And the sequence you defined shows up again and again. (I like how <strong>Patty</strong> puts it to work also.)</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t the only productive sequence, of course. Dylan Kane <a href="https://fivetwelvethirteen.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/intellectual-need-formative-assessment-and-desmos-activity-builder/comment-page-1/#comment-956" rel="nofollow">describes another</a>.</p>
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		By: Patty Stephens		</title>
		<link>/2015/desmosify-your-worksheet/#comment-2414518</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty Stephens]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2015 21:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I love this idea! I&#039;m getting my feet wet this year with activity builder, and I&#039;d love your feedback on this activity: https://teacher.desmos.com/activitybuilder/custom/564e30bfa8c1572208da0a01 
In particular, I&#039;m struggling with extensions for this and am open to suggestions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this idea! I&#8217;m getting my feet wet this year with activity builder, and I&#8217;d love your feedback on this activity: <a href="https://teacher.desmos.com/activitybuilder/custom/564e30bfa8c1572208da0a01" rel="nofollow ugc">https://teacher.desmos.com/activitybuilder/custom/564e30bfa8c1572208da0a01</a><br />
In particular, I&#8217;m struggling with extensions for this and am open to suggestions.</p>
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		By: Ryan Grady		</title>
		<link>/2015/desmosify-your-worksheet/#comment-2414506</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan Grady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;div style=&quot;background-color: #E8EBFF;&quot;&gt;
Dan, would you be willing to generalize your model for this particular activity - i.e. Predict - Verify - Reflect - Extend?  Of course this follows closely to the 3-act idea, but I&#039;m curious about what you view as an ideal structure for a &quot;good&quot; Desmos activity?
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Dan, would you be willing to generalize your model for this particular activity &#8211; i.e. Predict &#8211; Verify &#8211; Reflect &#8211; Extend?  Of course this follows closely to the 3-act idea, but I&#8217;m curious about what you view as an ideal structure for a &#8220;good&#8221; Desmos activity?
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