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		By: Susan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2015 13:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am currently doing this lesson with my students.  We are extending it to predict their moment of graduation.  As such, they need to consider current enrollment, graduate rates, etc.  Terrific idea and a great start to the year. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently doing this lesson with my students.  We are extending it to predict their moment of graduation.  As such, they need to consider current enrollment, graduate rates, etc.  Terrific idea and a great start to the year. </p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2015 17:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the example, &lt;strong&gt;Stacie&lt;/strong&gt;. I&#039;ve added it to the main post. I&#039;ve subscribed to your blog also. Looks like you&#039;re posting some great ideas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the example, <strong>Stacie</strong>. I&#8217;ve added it to the main post. I&#8217;ve subscribed to your blog also. Looks like you&#8217;re posting some great ideas.</p>
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		By: Stacie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stacie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2015 02:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;This is where we turn the math back into the world. This is where we make some math teachers uncomfortable, admitting that the world and the math don’t correspond exactly and that the math needs modification.&quot;

I ran into this when working up an exponential growth problem (http://systry.com/precalculus/ebola-2014/) for my son&#039;s precalculus class. The CDC had data on the number of Ebola cases which could be modeled with an exponential growth curve at the time. However, the math needed correction because of a sudden increase in cases. The CDC readily admitted they believe the cases were unreported by a factor of 1.5 to 2.5. Thus, a human eye on the data to recognize that and make an adjustment was necessary.

Later, when the curve could be modeled nicely by a logistics curve, the equation (http://systry.com/precalculus/ebola-2014-revisited/) was still incorrect in predicting the end of the epidemic. As teachers we would like to be able to button everything up and wrap it in a bow, but the real world seldom works that way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is where we turn the math back into the world. This is where we make some math teachers uncomfortable, admitting that the world and the math don’t correspond exactly and that the math needs modification.&#8221;</p>
<p>I ran into this when working up an exponential growth problem (<a href="http://systry.com/precalculus/ebola-2014/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://systry.com/precalculus/ebola-2014/</a>) for my son&#8217;s precalculus class. The CDC had data on the number of Ebola cases which could be modeled with an exponential growth curve at the time. However, the math needed correction because of a sudden increase in cases. The CDC readily admitted they believe the cases were unreported by a factor of 1.5 to 2.5. Thus, a human eye on the data to recognize that and make an adjustment was necessary.</p>
<p>Later, when the curve could be modeled nicely by a logistics curve, the equation (<a href="http://systry.com/precalculus/ebola-2014-revisited/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://systry.com/precalculus/ebola-2014-revisited/</a>) was still incorrect in predicting the end of the epidemic. As teachers we would like to be able to button everything up and wrap it in a bow, but the real world seldom works that way.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2015 00:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Malcolm Roberts:

&lt;blockquote&gt;We are trying to address this at the university (Newcastle) where I work by introducing into our mathematics teacher training degree a course in modelling (using problems where progress can be made with only school level mathematics).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Love to hear more about this. dan@mrmeyer.com if I can be of service.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The problem of assessment still remains though. The external examinations sat by our school students don’t involve any modelling activity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not just a NSW issue. I have yet to see a good (valid, reliable, practical) assessment of modeling.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malcolm Roberts:</p>
<blockquote><p>We are trying to address this at the university (Newcastle) where I work by introducing into our mathematics teacher training degree a course in modelling (using problems where progress can be made with only school level mathematics).</p></blockquote>
<p>Love to hear more about this. <a href="mailto:dan@mrmeyer.com">dan@mrmeyer.com</a> if I can be of service.</p>
<blockquote><p>The problem of assessment still remains though. The external examinations sat by our school students don’t involve any modelling activity.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not just a NSW issue. I have yet to see a good (valid, reliable, practical) assessment of modeling.</p>
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		By: Malcolm Roberts		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malcolm Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2015 22:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Through no fault of their own, here in NSW (Australia) many of the mathematics teachers aren’t aware of the processes of mathematical modelling and hence don’t actively engage at any level in this sort of activity themselves. As a result they don’t notice as readily opportunities to introduce modelling into their teaching and also would feel uncomfortable trying to do so. 

We are trying to address this at the university (Newcastle) where I work by introducing into our mathematics teacher training degree a course in modelling (using problems where progress can be made with only school level mathematics). The problem of assessment still remains though. The external examinations sat by our school students don’t involve any modelling activity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Through no fault of their own, here in NSW (Australia) many of the mathematics teachers aren’t aware of the processes of mathematical modelling and hence don’t actively engage at any level in this sort of activity themselves. As a result they don’t notice as readily opportunities to introduce modelling into their teaching and also would feel uncomfortable trying to do so. </p>
<p>We are trying to address this at the university (Newcastle) where I work by introducing into our mathematics teacher training degree a course in modelling (using problems where progress can be made with only school level mathematics). The problem of assessment still remains though. The external examinations sat by our school students don’t involve any modelling activity.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Clara&lt;/strong&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt; Every time I watch one of yours, I think of moments I sat and watched, thinking this would make a great! classroom poser — but didn’t take out my camera! (Large thunk of palm to head!)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I know that facepalming feeling!

Maybe useful context: for every video or photo I post there are five more on my camera. That&#039;s to say, I capture &lt;em&gt;lots&lt;/em&gt; of math, most of it useless for public / classroom consumption. But I find the act of &lt;em&gt;capturing&lt;/em&gt; math sharpens my senses to the math around me. Constant capturing prepares me to notice the great math when it crosses my path.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Clara</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p> Every time I watch one of yours, I think of moments I sat and watched, thinking this would make a great! classroom poser — but didn’t take out my camera! (Large thunk of palm to head!)</p></blockquote>
<p>I know that facepalming feeling!</p>
<p>Maybe useful context: for every video or photo I post there are five more on my camera. That&#8217;s to say, I capture <em>lots</em> of math, most of it useless for public / classroom consumption. But I find the act of <em>capturing</em> math sharpens my senses to the math around me. Constant capturing prepares me to notice the great math when it crosses my path.</p>
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		By: Clara Maxcy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clara Maxcy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2015 14:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is one lesson that is going into my IBL playbook! I am beginning to look for video opportunities for my classes. Every time I watch one of yours, I think of moments I sat and watched, thinking this would make a great! classroom poser - but didn&#039;t take out my camera! (Large thunk of palm to head!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one lesson that is going into my IBL playbook! I am beginning to look for video opportunities for my classes. Every time I watch one of yours, I think of moments I sat and watched, thinking this would make a great! classroom poser &#8211; but didn&#8217;t take out my camera! (Large thunk of palm to head!)</p>
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		By: Xavier		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xavier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2015 06:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I worry about the type of models that usually we do. Almost every situation in real life could be modeled by a linear model (specifically, an afine model - the situation could be modelized by a function of the type f(x) = ax+b). Almost every 3-act math is about that.

I&#039;m worry about it. I&#039;m worry about not to find enough situations in which we need quadratics, trigonometric, exponentials,... functions to modelize. Is it because we oversimplify the model or is it because the 99% of situations could be modelized by afine function?

It it&#039;s the second, our students tend to modelize things always with afine functions because &quot;it&#039;s always this way&quot; ;-)

Just a thought,
Xavier]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worry about the type of models that usually we do. Almost every situation in real life could be modeled by a linear model (specifically, an afine model &#8211; the situation could be modelized by a function of the type f(x) = ax+b). Almost every 3-act math is about that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m worry about it. I&#8217;m worry about not to find enough situations in which we need quadratics, trigonometric, exponentials,&#8230; functions to modelize. Is it because we oversimplify the model or is it because the 99% of situations could be modelized by afine function?</p>
<p>It it&#8217;s the second, our students tend to modelize things always with afine functions because &#8220;it&#8217;s always this way&#8221; ;-)</p>
<p>Just a thought,<br />
Xavier</p>
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		By: Julie Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2015 02:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I love aga bey&#039;s strategy of averaging everybody else&#039;s answers, and it worked quite well! The calculation median in the box plot looks awfully close, too. (What was it?) 

Last year, when my students did estimation180.com, we would enter &quot;too low&quot;/&quot;too high&quot; values that were (roughly) the median &quot;too low&quot;/&quot;too high&quot; choices for the class. (Somebody would suggest a value, people would raise their hands for whether they agreed it was too low/high, and we&#039;d adjust/check a few times till we had a value where about half the people raised their hands.) 

This seemed to work amazingly well to give high-quality lower and upper bounds. We could all tell the class median values were consistently better than any individual&#039;s would have been over time. It also meant that everybody had input into the class low/high boundaries.

(The class median probably would have worked well for the actual estimate, too, but they took turns giving that one individually along with their own reasoning.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love aga bey&#8217;s strategy of averaging everybody else&#8217;s answers, and it worked quite well! The calculation median in the box plot looks awfully close, too. (What was it?) </p>
<p>Last year, when my students did estimation180.com, we would enter &#8220;too low&#8221;/&#8221;too high&#8221; values that were (roughly) the median &#8220;too low&#8221;/&#8221;too high&#8221; choices for the class. (Somebody would suggest a value, people would raise their hands for whether they agreed it was too low/high, and we&#8217;d adjust/check a few times till we had a value where about half the people raised their hands.) </p>
<p>This seemed to work amazingly well to give high-quality lower and upper bounds. We could all tell the class median values were consistently better than any individual&#8217;s would have been over time. It also meant that everybody had input into the class low/high boundaries.</p>
<p>(The class median probably would have worked well for the actual estimate, too, but they took turns giving that one individually along with their own reasoning.)</p>
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		By: Matt Townsley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Townsley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2015 00:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I was a math education professor, I&#039;d share this post with my students (well, after modeling this type of lesson a few times first) and then spend the rest of the semester dreaming up three acts.  When we&#039;re not creating these &quot;lessons,&quot; we&#039;d probably be critiquing each others&#039; acts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I was a math education professor, I&#8217;d share this post with my students (well, after modeling this type of lesson a few times first) and then spend the rest of the semester dreaming up three acts.  When we&#8217;re not creating these &#8220;lessons,&#8221; we&#8217;d probably be critiquing each others&#8217; acts.</p>
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