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		By: If Math is the Aspirin, Then How do you Create the Headache? - The Learning Exchange		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Originally posted on Dan Meyer&#8217;s personal blog, seen here. [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		By: David Jones		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2016 18:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PS
I am presently reading this book: Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid
by Douglas R. Hofstadter
My present view on maths is that it is more of a language than anything else. Yes it is a science, an art, a tool for real life! but also a LANGUAGE. If we propose this aspect more, then perhaps the non mathematicians will leave us alone. 
To deal with the quadratic and its roots. 
The equation, the graph, the roots etc, are just different representations of the same thing. Just thinking of the graph representation, this of course is only one way of showing it. The axis don&#039;t have to be perpendicular or even linearly scaled.
Whatever you believe about heaven and God, let&#039;s imagine God sees it perfectly and we only see different glimpses. (I have not thought this through fully, this is only and informal &#039;thinking aloud&#039;). Who knows in heaven we too might see things in their perfect beauty. We&#039;ll be saying things like &#039;on earth we decided to use x but we could have used any of the other 25 letters&#039;. And God will say you could have used any one of an infinite set of characters. You preferred to write it down because you wanted it visual. But you could have communicated it to each other via pitch of sound or frequency of colour,or physically by throwing stones out of windows, or even by smell! (the dogs have been solving quadratics many years before you). I am losing credibility here but I hope my point is made]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS<br />
I am presently reading this book: Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid<br />
by Douglas R. Hofstadter<br />
My present view on maths is that it is more of a language than anything else. Yes it is a science, an art, a tool for real life! but also a LANGUAGE. If we propose this aspect more, then perhaps the non mathematicians will leave us alone.<br />
To deal with the quadratic and its roots.<br />
The equation, the graph, the roots etc, are just different representations of the same thing. Just thinking of the graph representation, this of course is only one way of showing it. The axis don&#8217;t have to be perpendicular or even linearly scaled.<br />
Whatever you believe about heaven and God, let&#8217;s imagine God sees it perfectly and we only see different glimpses. (I have not thought this through fully, this is only and informal &#8216;thinking aloud&#8217;). Who knows in heaven we too might see things in their perfect beauty. We&#8217;ll be saying things like &#8216;on earth we decided to use x but we could have used any of the other 25 letters&#8217;. And God will say you could have used any one of an infinite set of characters. You preferred to write it down because you wanted it visual. But you could have communicated it to each other via pitch of sound or frequency of colour,or physically by throwing stones out of windows, or even by smell! (the dogs have been solving quadratics many years before you). I am losing credibility here but I hope my point is made</p>
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		By: David Jones		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2016 18:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is a particular problem in maths today, with non specialists judging and observing maths teaching. They are desperate to see a real world application or even just something they understand themselves (if it&#039;s an A level lesson). Meanwhile the bright students don&#039;t need an immediate application and are losing out by a certain amount of time wasting/dumbing down[I am in no way an elitist!]. They understand / know why we are doing this (the fact that neither I nor they can articulate why is not important!). An example .. yesterday I made a yr11 student aware of your cuboid factorisation puzzle that &#039;1000 teachers couldn&#039;t solve&#039;). Today the student has emailed a fantastic response involving computer science and P=NP type problems. He understands this far better than me. I will send you an edited copy of his &#039;solution&#039; if you email me. It is too long and not appropriate for this forum. Thanks for your excellent site]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a particular problem in maths today, with non specialists judging and observing maths teaching. They are desperate to see a real world application or even just something they understand themselves (if it&#8217;s an A level lesson). Meanwhile the bright students don&#8217;t need an immediate application and are losing out by a certain amount of time wasting/dumbing down[I am in no way an elitist!]. They understand / know why we are doing this (the fact that neither I nor they can articulate why is not important!). An example .. yesterday I made a yr11 student aware of your cuboid factorisation puzzle that &#8216;1000 teachers couldn&#8217;t solve&#8217;). Today the student has emailed a fantastic response involving computer science and P=NP type problems. He understands this far better than me. I will send you an edited copy of his &#8216;solution&#8217; if you email me. It is too long and not appropriate for this forum. Thanks for your excellent site</p>
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		By: Kenneth Tilton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I wonder how puzzling it’ll feel in the absence of any context whatsoever.&quot;

Doesn&#039;t that have it backwards. Consider Sudoku, word scrambles, crosswords -- all addictive, none with any context. Even Chess puzzles are ridiculously contrived.

Tetris, what is the context there?

Meanwhile, I remember like it was yesterday the delight I took in Algebra back in the ninth grade: every problem is a puzzle!

Finally, consider DragonBox Algebra. Pure puzzle-solving, very popular, and without even the added context of &quot;this is why this manipulation is valid&quot;. (DBA just shows you the allowed transformation (such as distributing multiplication over division) and away you go.)

The only problem is when students sit down to work these puzzles and have no way of knowing if/when they have in fact solved one. But the puzzles are there, we just have to find a way to let them know how they are doing *while* they are solving them.

Meanwhile, sorry folks, the real-world meaningfulness just is not there. It would be great if it were, but that road to student motivation is dead end.

Which is OK: math in and of itself is a delight when made accessible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wonder how puzzling it’ll feel in the absence of any context whatsoever.&#8221;</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t that have it backwards. Consider Sudoku, word scrambles, crosswords &#8212; all addictive, none with any context. Even Chess puzzles are ridiculously contrived.</p>
<p>Tetris, what is the context there?</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I remember like it was yesterday the delight I took in Algebra back in the ninth grade: every problem is a puzzle!</p>
<p>Finally, consider DragonBox Algebra. Pure puzzle-solving, very popular, and without even the added context of &#8220;this is why this manipulation is valid&#8221;. (DBA just shows you the allowed transformation (such as distributing multiplication over division) and away you go.)</p>
<p>The only problem is when students sit down to work these puzzles and have no way of knowing if/when they have in fact solved one. But the puzzles are there, we just have to find a way to let them know how they are doing *while* they are solving them.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, sorry folks, the real-world meaningfulness just is not there. It would be great if it were, but that road to student motivation is dead end.</p>
<p>Which is OK: math in and of itself is a delight when made accessible.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2015 14:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the insightful commentary here, everybody. I pulled a number of your comments into &lt;a href=&quot;/2015/if-factoring-trinomials-is-aspirin-then-how-do-you-create-the-headache/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the follow-up post&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the insightful commentary here, everybody. I pulled a number of your comments into <a href="/2015/if-factoring-trinomials-is-aspirin-then-how-do-you-create-the-headache/" rel="nofollow">the follow-up post</a>.</p>
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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; If Factoring Trinomials is Aspirin Then How Do You Create The Headache?		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] and few skills that seem harder to motivate for math teachers than factoring quadratic trinomials. (Sample their [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		By: Scott Hills		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I start out, about 2 weeks before factoring becomes a part of the math lexicon, with &quot;diamond puzzles&quot; in which students must first identify what 2 numbers add to a particular sum while multiplying to a particular product.  The puzzle being the point, no mention is made of factoring.

After students start to become pretty good at this puzzle, I remove different pieces and encourage fluency with sums and products and keep the game interesting.

Factoring with a=1 seems to flow easily when students see the underlying mathematics as a game they already understand and find engaging.   

Further discussion is made and the necessity of deeper thought is needed when a =/= 1.  By this point, hopefully, students have developed an intrinsic desire to see how the game continues when a isn&#039;t 1.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I start out, about 2 weeks before factoring becomes a part of the math lexicon, with &#8220;diamond puzzles&#8221; in which students must first identify what 2 numbers add to a particular sum while multiplying to a particular product.  The puzzle being the point, no mention is made of factoring.</p>
<p>After students start to become pretty good at this puzzle, I remove different pieces and encourage fluency with sums and products and keep the game interesting.</p>
<p>Factoring with a=1 seems to flow easily when students see the underlying mathematics as a game they already understand and find engaging.   </p>
<p>Further discussion is made and the necessity of deeper thought is needed when a =/= 1.  By this point, hopefully, students have developed an intrinsic desire to see how the game continues when a isn&#8217;t 1.</p>
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		By: Paula Beardell Krieg		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2015 01:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whenever I am trying to sort out a tricky concept my own go-to is to talk about it with a dyslexic young adult, since their need for clarity is essential and their perspectives are beyond my ability to imagine without their help. Both of my children fit the bill, and are at just the perfect age to ask about quadratics. I asked them, completely separately, about your question, and I am happy to share their answers with you. 

First, both of them (independent of the other) immediately said to make factoring quadratics into a game. To me this was an interesting response as it indicated that they both know that &quot; factoring trinomials with integer roots, ie. turning x2 + 7x + 10 into (x + 5)(x + 2)&quot; is not a real world skill. It&#039;s interesting to note  that they had no problem with it not being a real-world skill and it reflected that they knew that finding integer roots can be a fun and satisfying puzzle to solve. (Now don&#039;t make the mistake of thinking these kids are math whizzes. Even though they have great number sense, the dyslexia has a negative impact on math performance, but I digress. )

After a certain point in his math classes my son had made a decision regarding quadratic equations: he decided that he would always just use the quadratic formula every time to solve every quadratic equation. That way he didn&#039;t have to think about strategies, keeping different methods in mind, or start then fail and have to start over again. This worked for him. But, knowing this about him, I questioned his opinion that the factoring could be a game, after all, it doesn&#039;t sound fun to me  to solve equation after equation with the quadratic formula!

The point, then, would be to know in advance that there are integer solutions, making the quadratic formula unnecessary. 
This seems perfectly legitimate to him. He said, &quot;Mom, in real life you would only ever have one problem that would need the quadratic formula. You&#039;d never have a list of them.&quot; Oh. Yeah, uh, that&#039;s right.  

My daughter was adamant about not using graphs to solve quadratic equations. It took some time teasing out what the problem was that she had with graphs. Turns out that she was reacting to her own experience of having to create a graph over and over again for each homework problem, having to label the points, having to precisely position the curves, in other words graphing was cumbersome to the point of being obnoxious. And what was even more obnoxious to her was if shewas given a an expression like say, x^2 +3x and she factored into x(x+3) she would get points marked off for not writing it as (x+0)(x+3). Her teacher once remarked that it was surprising that my daughter didn&#039;t like graphing since it included drawing, and she knew my daughter likes to draw. I&#039;ll let you imagine my daughter&#039;s response.

The fact was that my daughter was fine with factoring, but she hated how cumbersome her teachers made it. She was only taught the long way of doing things. Once when we were going over her homework together she saw me do a typical shortcut, which was to first lay out the parentheses and fill in with x , then put in the appropriate signs so my work looked like this (x +   )(x -   )then, after some thought I filled in the integers. She was aghast. And angry. She said that she had continually asked her teacher, isn&#039;t there a simpler way of solving quadratics, but her teacher insisted that, no, always you first you had to make a diamond shape, fill in the spaces, then make the square, then fill that in (I am going to assume you know the techniques I am referring to), and there were no shortcuts. She was furious that she had not been introduced to any simpler methods of thinking about her factoring. 

So that&#039;s my last bit of insight: don&#039;t muddy up factoring with too many auxiliary steps. Sure, teach all the methods, but then let quadratic factoring be the fun puzzle that they are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever I am trying to sort out a tricky concept my own go-to is to talk about it with a dyslexic young adult, since their need for clarity is essential and their perspectives are beyond my ability to imagine without their help. Both of my children fit the bill, and are at just the perfect age to ask about quadratics. I asked them, completely separately, about your question, and I am happy to share their answers with you. </p>
<p>First, both of them (independent of the other) immediately said to make factoring quadratics into a game. To me this was an interesting response as it indicated that they both know that &#8221; factoring trinomials with integer roots, ie. turning x2 + 7x + 10 into (x + 5)(x + 2)&#8221; is not a real world skill. It&#8217;s interesting to note  that they had no problem with it not being a real-world skill and it reflected that they knew that finding integer roots can be a fun and satisfying puzzle to solve. (Now don&#8217;t make the mistake of thinking these kids are math whizzes. Even though they have great number sense, the dyslexia has a negative impact on math performance, but I digress. )</p>
<p>After a certain point in his math classes my son had made a decision regarding quadratic equations: he decided that he would always just use the quadratic formula every time to solve every quadratic equation. That way he didn&#8217;t have to think about strategies, keeping different methods in mind, or start then fail and have to start over again. This worked for him. But, knowing this about him, I questioned his opinion that the factoring could be a game, after all, it doesn&#8217;t sound fun to me  to solve equation after equation with the quadratic formula!</p>
<p>The point, then, would be to know in advance that there are integer solutions, making the quadratic formula unnecessary.<br />
This seems perfectly legitimate to him. He said, &#8220;Mom, in real life you would only ever have one problem that would need the quadratic formula. You&#8217;d never have a list of them.&#8221; Oh. Yeah, uh, that&#8217;s right.  </p>
<p>My daughter was adamant about not using graphs to solve quadratic equations. It took some time teasing out what the problem was that she had with graphs. Turns out that she was reacting to her own experience of having to create a graph over and over again for each homework problem, having to label the points, having to precisely position the curves, in other words graphing was cumbersome to the point of being obnoxious. And what was even more obnoxious to her was if shewas given a an expression like say, x^2 +3x and she factored into x(x+3) she would get points marked off for not writing it as (x+0)(x+3). Her teacher once remarked that it was surprising that my daughter didn&#8217;t like graphing since it included drawing, and she knew my daughter likes to draw. I&#8217;ll let you imagine my daughter&#8217;s response.</p>
<p>The fact was that my daughter was fine with factoring, but she hated how cumbersome her teachers made it. She was only taught the long way of doing things. Once when we were going over her homework together she saw me do a typical shortcut, which was to first lay out the parentheses and fill in with x , then put in the appropriate signs so my work looked like this (x +   )(x &#8211;   )then, after some thought I filled in the integers. She was aghast. And angry. She said that she had continually asked her teacher, isn&#8217;t there a simpler way of solving quadratics, but her teacher insisted that, no, always you first you had to make a diamond shape, fill in the spaces, then make the square, then fill that in (I am going to assume you know the techniques I am referring to), and there were no shortcuts. She was furious that she had not been introduced to any simpler methods of thinking about her factoring. </p>
<p>So that&#8217;s my last bit of insight: don&#8217;t muddy up factoring with too many auxiliary steps. Sure, teach all the methods, but then let quadratic factoring be the fun puzzle that they are.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2015 14:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Why should we learn to factor trinomials with integer roots, ie. turning x2 + 7x + 10 into (x + 5)(x + 2)?&quot;

I&#039;ll answer your question with some questions of my own: why should we learn to factor trinomials (or more general polynomials), period?  Perhaps if we have a master plan for this set of skills, we can place the issue of &quot;integer roots&quot; into its proper context.  For that matter, why should we learn to factor *numbers?*  Surely the issue of factoring polynomials is related to the issue of factoring numbers.

In the CCSSM, the issue of &quot;turning one expression into another,&quot; as you have done in your example, is motivated by the desire to &quot;reveal the zeros of the function.&quot;  So perhaps we should be discussing this: why do we care about the zeros of a function?  The issue of integer roots, in my opinion, is just a matter of &quot;keeping things simple.&quot;  i.e. we do this for the same reason that, when teaching students to add fractions, we are more likely to give 2/5 + 3/7 than 385/486 + 999/1002.

One lens through which to view the skill of factoring is &quot;puzzle-solving.&quot;  Consider this sequence of learning experiences.

1. Students learn to multiply multi-digit expressions, e.g. 25 x 31.

2. Students pose challenges to each other to perform &quot;multiplication in reverse.&quot;  For instance: &quot;I have multiplied two 2-digit numbers together, producing 3 hundreds, 34 tens, and 63 ones.  Find the original two numbers.&quot;

3. Students learn to multiply multi-term variable expressions, e.g. (2x+5)*(3x+1).

4. Students pose challenges to each other to perform &quot;polynomial multiplication in reverse.&quot;  For instance: &quot;I have multiplied two binomial expressions together, producing 3 groups of x-squared, 34 groups of x, and 63 groups of 1.  Find the original two binomials.&quot;

I&#039;ll list pros and cons to this approach, as I see them.  Pro: ties between &quot;number arithmetic&quot; and &quot;algebra&quot; are clear in this approach -- one is merely an extension of the other.  Pro: ties between &quot;multiplying&quot; and &quot;factoring&quot; are clear -- one is merely the reverse of the other.  Pro: working in reverse serves to strengthen math skills, and also involves elements of reasoning.  Con: why would I want to work in reverse in the first place?

I&#039;ll repeat what I think are the main questions to resolve here:

1. How does learning to factor numbers make me a more powerful problem-solver?

2. How does learning to factor polynomials make me a more powerful problem-solver?

3. What are the connections between the two questions above?

4. Why is it important to &quot;reveal the zeros of a function?&quot;  What do we gain from doing this?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why should we learn to factor trinomials with integer roots, ie. turning x2 + 7x + 10 into (x + 5)(x + 2)?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll answer your question with some questions of my own: why should we learn to factor trinomials (or more general polynomials), period?  Perhaps if we have a master plan for this set of skills, we can place the issue of &#8220;integer roots&#8221; into its proper context.  For that matter, why should we learn to factor *numbers?*  Surely the issue of factoring polynomials is related to the issue of factoring numbers.</p>
<p>In the CCSSM, the issue of &#8220;turning one expression into another,&#8221; as you have done in your example, is motivated by the desire to &#8220;reveal the zeros of the function.&#8221;  So perhaps we should be discussing this: why do we care about the zeros of a function?  The issue of integer roots, in my opinion, is just a matter of &#8220;keeping things simple.&#8221;  i.e. we do this for the same reason that, when teaching students to add fractions, we are more likely to give 2/5 + 3/7 than 385/486 + 999/1002.</p>
<p>One lens through which to view the skill of factoring is &#8220;puzzle-solving.&#8221;  Consider this sequence of learning experiences.</p>
<p>1. Students learn to multiply multi-digit expressions, e.g. 25 x 31.</p>
<p>2. Students pose challenges to each other to perform &#8220;multiplication in reverse.&#8221;  For instance: &#8220;I have multiplied two 2-digit numbers together, producing 3 hundreds, 34 tens, and 63 ones.  Find the original two numbers.&#8221;</p>
<p>3. Students learn to multiply multi-term variable expressions, e.g. (2x+5)*(3x+1).</p>
<p>4. Students pose challenges to each other to perform &#8220;polynomial multiplication in reverse.&#8221;  For instance: &#8220;I have multiplied two binomial expressions together, producing 3 groups of x-squared, 34 groups of x, and 63 groups of 1.  Find the original two binomials.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll list pros and cons to this approach, as I see them.  Pro: ties between &#8220;number arithmetic&#8221; and &#8220;algebra&#8221; are clear in this approach &#8212; one is merely an extension of the other.  Pro: ties between &#8220;multiplying&#8221; and &#8220;factoring&#8221; are clear &#8212; one is merely the reverse of the other.  Pro: working in reverse serves to strengthen math skills, and also involves elements of reasoning.  Con: why would I want to work in reverse in the first place?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll repeat what I think are the main questions to resolve here:</p>
<p>1. How does learning to factor numbers make me a more powerful problem-solver?</p>
<p>2. How does learning to factor polynomials make me a more powerful problem-solver?</p>
<p>3. What are the connections between the two questions above?</p>
<p>4. Why is it important to &#8220;reveal the zeros of a function?&#8221;  What do we gain from doing this?</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am coming late to the party as I just read this post today 6/21.  I am also perhaps not qualified to contribute since I am really a science educator more than a math educator.  I love the question involving aspirin and headaches.  I think it is time for us to tackle the deeper questions of education rather than falling back on the comfortable buzz words such as authentic, project-based, problem-based, and real world. I agree that mathematics should be relevant and we need to think more deeply about student motivation both from a life experience perspective and a conceptual development perspective.  I am not trying to critique the original post, but rather offer a question into the mix.  Is the headache analogy the right analogy for our classrooms? I am thinking about a piece that was written in the 70&#039;s that also was built upon the work of Piaget by Eleanor Duckworth titled &quot;The having a wonderful ideas.&quot;  In this article Duckworth challenges us to listen to students ideas and value the ingenious and original ideas of students as perhaps the most valuable outcome of education.  She provides striking examples of how students are able to solve deeper questions ingenously.  Of course the standards movement and years of backlash against progressive education has tainted this view to some extent.  However, I just wanted to at least think about to what extent students should be finding the inspirational connections that we value and what types of learning environments can make that possible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am coming late to the party as I just read this post today 6/21.  I am also perhaps not qualified to contribute since I am really a science educator more than a math educator.  I love the question involving aspirin and headaches.  I think it is time for us to tackle the deeper questions of education rather than falling back on the comfortable buzz words such as authentic, project-based, problem-based, and real world. I agree that mathematics should be relevant and we need to think more deeply about student motivation both from a life experience perspective and a conceptual development perspective.  I am not trying to critique the original post, but rather offer a question into the mix.  Is the headache analogy the right analogy for our classrooms? I am thinking about a piece that was written in the 70&#8217;s that also was built upon the work of Piaget by Eleanor Duckworth titled &#8220;The having a wonderful ideas.&#8221;  In this article Duckworth challenges us to listen to students ideas and value the ingenious and original ideas of students as perhaps the most valuable outcome of education.  She provides striking examples of how students are able to solve deeper questions ingenously.  Of course the standards movement and years of backlash against progressive education has tainted this view to some extent.  However, I just wanted to at least think about to what extent students should be finding the inspirational connections that we value and what types of learning environments can make that possible.</p>
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