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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NCTM Gets It		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NCTM Gets It]]></dc:creator>
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		By: Jamie Duncan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie Duncan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2015 08:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was fortunate enough to attend with a team. We spent a great deal of time going through what we learned and made a plan to share it out and train district employees.  My biggest take aways were from Karen Karp&#039;s preconference full day session. It has helped me make a plan for math interventions and what I should do with &quot;those kids.&quot;  After any amazing conference I always turn around and try new things, but going as a team has proven instrumental in getting deeper into what we learned and training others. We see ourselves as the middlemen and women between the nation&#039;s experts and our staff.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was fortunate enough to attend with a team. We spent a great deal of time going through what we learned and made a plan to share it out and train district employees.  My biggest take aways were from Karen Karp&#8217;s preconference full day session. It has helped me make a plan for math interventions and what I should do with &#8220;those kids.&#8221;  After any amazing conference I always turn around and try new things, but going as a team has proven instrumental in getting deeper into what we learned and training others. We see ourselves as the middlemen and women between the nation&#8217;s experts and our staff.</p>
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		By: Sandy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sandy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2015 21:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I always feel a bit like I&#039;m at a 3-ring circus when I go to big conferences--there&#039;s so much going on at once and I&#039;m worried I&#039;m going to miss the big attraction because I&#039;m looking at the wrong ring.  I would love to have more sessions videotaped for viewing afterwards.  

I have to wonder though if the attendees for Shadow Con were truly representative of the overall attendees at the conference.  The way I first heard of the session was through twitter--I don&#039;t know that it would have really stuck out at me if I were just browsing through the listings on the NCTM website or conference booklet.  If others were like me and learned about it through twitter, there may have been a disproportionate number of twitter users at the session to start with which would explain why so many chose to tweet about the session after the conference. 

I appreciate the thorough analysis--I&#039;ve recently joined the board of my local affiliate and it definitely gives me a lot to think about for our future conferences.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always feel a bit like I&#8217;m at a 3-ring circus when I go to big conferences&#8211;there&#8217;s so much going on at once and I&#8217;m worried I&#8217;m going to miss the big attraction because I&#8217;m looking at the wrong ring.  I would love to have more sessions videotaped for viewing afterwards.  </p>
<p>I have to wonder though if the attendees for Shadow Con were truly representative of the overall attendees at the conference.  The way I first heard of the session was through twitter&#8211;I don&#8217;t know that it would have really stuck out at me if I were just browsing through the listings on the NCTM website or conference booklet.  If others were like me and learned about it through twitter, there may have been a disproportionate number of twitter users at the session to start with which would explain why so many chose to tweet about the session after the conference. </p>
<p>I appreciate the thorough analysis&#8211;I&#8217;ve recently joined the board of my local affiliate and it definitely gives me a lot to think about for our future conferences.</p>
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		By: jkern		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jkern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well played Chester, well played.

I actually don&#039;t like a lot of Twitter&#039;s constraints.  One of them is that it filters out many posts with hyperlinks, so your helpful tweet may not show up in a hashtag feeds.  I always run into this at conferences, where I know of something helpful to share, but my tweet never appears in the live feed.  I usually end up just tweeting it @ the presenter.   It&#039;s a bit undemocratic, and it kind of defeats the purpose of collaborative tweets for a conference.

Still, there is great benefit and low cost to adding twitter feeds to a website.  Maybe scrap the idea of using the feed to replace the comments section.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well played Chester, well played.</p>
<p>I actually don&#8217;t like a lot of Twitter&#8217;s constraints.  One of them is that it filters out many posts with hyperlinks, so your helpful tweet may not show up in a hashtag feeds.  I always run into this at conferences, where I know of something helpful to share, but my tweet never appears in the live feed.  I usually end up just tweeting it @ the presenter.   It&#8217;s a bit undemocratic, and it kind of defeats the purpose of collaborative tweets for a conference.</p>
<p>Still, there is great benefit and low cost to adding twitter feeds to a website.  Maybe scrap the idea of using the feed to replace the comments section.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2015 02:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Fred Harwood&lt;/strong&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;While true that some will be transformed by something as brief as a tweet, it is more true that an ongoing conversation and then a cycle of posing, applying, reflecting, reposing, reapply, re-searching will be more likely to change practice.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Chester Draws&lt;/strong&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The problem with Twitter is that it’s brevity makes it quite hard to give extended thinking, you are just getting going when you run out of&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Just to clarify: this proposal doesn&#039;t &lt;em&gt;depend&lt;/em&gt; on Twitter. Like &lt;strong&gt;Chester&lt;/strong&gt;, I tend to prefer the space constraints and the conversational pace of blogs. That&#039;s why we were a bit blindsided to find out that, no, to the extent people wanted to talk about the Shadow Con sessions, they wanted to do that on Twitter.

So &lt;strong&gt;Joseph&#039;s&lt;/strong&gt; recommendation seems promising to me:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’d say you can integrate the twitter conversation into each talk’s website by adding in a live twitter feed for that talk’s distinct hashtag.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m obliged also to &lt;strong&gt;Elham&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;strong&gt;Elaine&lt;/strong&gt;, and &lt;strong&gt;Marilyn&lt;/strong&gt; (quoted below) for articulating their purposes for attending conferences.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I agree with Elham’s comment about her expectations for what conferences can do and what is important to build locally. I don’t expect an NCTM conference to provide in-depth professional development, but act more like a booster shot for my own learning.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wouldn&#039;t want to place an effort like Shadow Con on the same par as continuous, site-based PD like &lt;strong&gt;Elham&lt;/strong&gt; describes.  (It will mostly suffer by comparison.) Or to suggest that there is a right way to participate in conferences, and it&#039;s the Shadow Con way.

But &lt;em&gt;if&lt;/em&gt; a participant wants more than a booster shot from her NCTM experience &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; she wants to follow-up on ideas from the conference, NCTM has a vacuum where they could have a centralized forum. Shadow Con has me wondering if a centralized forum is the wrong premise, though, if our ad hoc networks of blogs, tweets, and emails are sufficient.

&lt;strong&gt;Pierre Tranchemontagne&lt;/strong&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The idea being that presentations (keynote, regular, etc.) is the upload of information and the download session would allow participants to talk, question, propose, reflect, and connect ideas by talking with other participants. No presentation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hi Pierre, I&#039;m wondering if you attended any of the networking sessions at NCTM and if that captures the value you&#039;re seeking. (Love the upload / download metaphor, also.)

&lt;strong&gt;Tammy Dunn&lt;/strong&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Is it possible to have access to the link to ShadowCon?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shadowmathcon.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sure thing&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Fred Harwood</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p>While true that some will be transformed by something as brief as a tweet, it is more true that an ongoing conversation and then a cycle of posing, applying, reflecting, reposing, reapply, re-searching will be more likely to change practice.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Chester Draws</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The problem with Twitter is that it’s brevity makes it quite hard to give extended thinking, you are just getting going when you run out of</p></blockquote>
<p>Just to clarify: this proposal doesn&#8217;t <em>depend</em> on Twitter. Like <strong>Chester</strong>, I tend to prefer the space constraints and the conversational pace of blogs. That&#8217;s why we were a bit blindsided to find out that, no, to the extent people wanted to talk about the Shadow Con sessions, they wanted to do that on Twitter.</p>
<p>So <strong>Joseph&#8217;s</strong> recommendation seems promising to me:</p>
<blockquote><p>I’d say you can integrate the twitter conversation into each talk’s website by adding in a live twitter feed for that talk’s distinct hashtag.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m obliged also to <strong>Elham</strong>, <strong>Elaine</strong>, and <strong>Marilyn</strong> (quoted below) for articulating their purposes for attending conferences.</p>
<blockquote><p>I agree with Elham’s comment about her expectations for what conferences can do and what is important to build locally. I don’t expect an NCTM conference to provide in-depth professional development, but act more like a booster shot for my own learning.</p></blockquote>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t want to place an effort like Shadow Con on the same par as continuous, site-based PD like <strong>Elham</strong> describes.  (It will mostly suffer by comparison.) Or to suggest that there is a right way to participate in conferences, and it&#8217;s the Shadow Con way.</p>
<p>But <em>if</em> a participant wants more than a booster shot from her NCTM experience <em>and</em> she wants to follow-up on ideas from the conference, NCTM has a vacuum where they could have a centralized forum. Shadow Con has me wondering if a centralized forum is the wrong premise, though, if our ad hoc networks of blogs, tweets, and emails are sufficient.</p>
<p><strong>Pierre Tranchemontagne</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The idea being that presentations (keynote, regular, etc.) is the upload of information and the download session would allow participants to talk, question, propose, reflect, and connect ideas by talking with other participants. No presentation.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hi Pierre, I&#8217;m wondering if you attended any of the networking sessions at NCTM and if that captures the value you&#8217;re seeking. (Love the upload / download metaphor, also.)</p>
<p><strong>Tammy Dunn</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Is it possible to have access to the link to ShadowCon?</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.shadowmathcon.com/" rel="nofollow">Sure thing</a>.</p>
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		By: Chester Draws		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chester Draws]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2015 01:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[... characters.

I am not young, but I&#039;m far from tech unfriendly. I run a couple of web-sites, have tried a blog etc. But Twitter just doesn&#039;t give me any intellectual stimulus, except as a means of directing me to more reflective resources. 

I also like to set quiet time aside to do some reading of blogs, research etc to further my teaching. The immediacy of Twitter is not a bonus when the information you seek takes time to quietly digest.]]></description>
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<p>I am not young, but I&#8217;m far from tech unfriendly. I run a couple of web-sites, have tried a blog etc. But Twitter just doesn&#8217;t give me any intellectual stimulus, except as a means of directing me to more reflective resources. </p>
<p>I also like to set quiet time aside to do some reading of blogs, research etc to further my teaching. The immediacy of Twitter is not a bonus when the information you seek takes time to quietly digest.</p>
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		By: Chester Draws		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chester Draws]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2015 01:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem with Twitter is that it&#039;s brevity makes it quite hard to give extended thinking, you are just getting going when you run out of]]></description>
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		By: Pierre Tranchemontagne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierre Tranchemontagne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2015 01:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another partial solution to concern a)&quot;none of our participants did much with our sessions once they ended&quot; could be to provide what I will call a &quot;download session&quot;.  The idea being that presentations (keynote, regular, etc.) is the upload of information and the download session would allow participants to talk, question, propose, reflect, and connect ideas by talking with other participants.  No presentation.  No &quot;real&quot; structure, just time to digest the info.  The session (or sessions throughout the conference) could be open to anyone, regardless of the speaker that they heard.  Each participant could prepare something that they are still questionning and something that they think would be interesting to share.  The start of the session could be like an Ed-Camp- ideas, topics, questions, speakers, etc. are shared, organized, voted on? then people get together into tables of 8 or so and talk, exchange, etc.  People would be free to move about the tables as they wish.
I know I would appreciate this sort of session- when I got out of some sessions this year, I had ideas bouncing around my head but &quot;had&quot; to run off to another session and get my brain filled with other great ideas.  I could have talked for an hour about things I heard and wanted to know more about.
I would like to submit a proposal to NCSM or NCTM for this type of session, but I believe it is too late...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another partial solution to concern a)&#8221;none of our participants did much with our sessions once they ended&#8221; could be to provide what I will call a &#8220;download session&#8221;.  The idea being that presentations (keynote, regular, etc.) is the upload of information and the download session would allow participants to talk, question, propose, reflect, and connect ideas by talking with other participants.  No presentation.  No &#8220;real&#8221; structure, just time to digest the info.  The session (or sessions throughout the conference) could be open to anyone, regardless of the speaker that they heard.  Each participant could prepare something that they are still questionning and something that they think would be interesting to share.  The start of the session could be like an Ed-Camp- ideas, topics, questions, speakers, etc. are shared, organized, voted on? then people get together into tables of 8 or so and talk, exchange, etc.  People would be free to move about the tables as they wish.<br />
I know I would appreciate this sort of session- when I got out of some sessions this year, I had ideas bouncing around my head but &#8220;had&#8221; to run off to another session and get my brain filled with other great ideas.  I could have talked for an hour about things I heard and wanted to know more about.<br />
I would like to submit a proposal to NCSM or NCTM for this type of session, but I believe it is too late&#8230;</p>
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		By: Elaine Watson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elaine Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2015 15:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I attended the conference and the Shadow Con.  Marilyn Burns and I are in the same generation of over-50s or 60s?  I, like Marilyn, have always considered conferences as a &quot;booster shot&quot;.  I think that is because that is all it COULD be for us.  We heard new speakers whose book we could buy. We took notes (on paper!), took handouts, and, if we were really on the ball, organized them when we returned. At the opening session of the NCTM conference, as the people responsible for organizing the conference were presented, I did not see many who were under 35 or 40. There is a dividing age (that is creeping up slowly) between those who have &quot;drunk the Twitter koolaid&quot; (thanks for that great metaphor, 5jkern!) and those who have not yet partaken.  Most of us are comfortable  with email and posting on blogs, but have not made Twitter a go-to form of communication, much less learning.  I applaud the Shadow Com crew for pushing the age divide upwards.  We need all the help we can get! There is an amazing MathTwitterBlogosphere out there just waiting for us to jump on the wagon.  Now, does anyone want to tell me again how to use Twitter???]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended the conference and the Shadow Con.  Marilyn Burns and I are in the same generation of over-50s or 60s?  I, like Marilyn, have always considered conferences as a &#8220;booster shot&#8221;.  I think that is because that is all it COULD be for us.  We heard new speakers whose book we could buy. We took notes (on paper!), took handouts, and, if we were really on the ball, organized them when we returned. At the opening session of the NCTM conference, as the people responsible for organizing the conference were presented, I did not see many who were under 35 or 40. There is a dividing age (that is creeping up slowly) between those who have &#8220;drunk the Twitter koolaid&#8221; (thanks for that great metaphor, 5jkern!) and those who have not yet partaken.  Most of us are comfortable  with email and posting on blogs, but have not made Twitter a go-to form of communication, much less learning.  I applaud the Shadow Com crew for pushing the age divide upwards.  We need all the help we can get! There is an amazing MathTwitterBlogosphere out there just waiting for us to jump on the wagon.  Now, does anyone want to tell me again how to use Twitter???</p>
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		By: Marilyn Burns		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marilyn Burns]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2015 14:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’ve been attending and speaking at NCTM annual conferences for about 30 years and your blog post pushed me to think about (1) why I go and (2) what I hope for by giving sessions. 

(1)	Two reasons why I go: I learn from sessions, both from sessions that inspire me and sessions that disappoint or even disturb me. The sessions that inspire me generally confirm my beliefs and practices and extend them in some way. I leave with new tools. The sessions that disappoint or disturb push me to think more deeply about what I do and why. The other reason is that I connect with people face-to-face, including some people I only see once a year at the annual NCTM and others who I meet for the first time. 

(2)	Just as I believe that writing is how I work my way into a subject and make it my own (to paraphrase William Zinsser in Writing to Learn), preparing for a talk gives me the same opportunity. It requires me to think about what I’ve learned in the previous year, choose what’s most important, and decide how to communicate. I hope that attendees either will be supported by hearing a talk that confirms and extends their thinking, or will be disappointed or disturbed that think more deeply about their beliefs and practices.

I agree with Elham’s comment about her expectations for what conferences can do and what is important to build locally. I don’t expect an NCTM conference to provide in-depth professional development, but act more like a booster shot for my own learning. I admire the effort of Shadow Con, and I enjoyed watching all of the videos of those sessions–they gave me a helpful context for their Blog and Twitter posts. And I applaud your efforts to search for ways to make the conference experience more widely available.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been attending and speaking at NCTM annual conferences for about 30 years and your blog post pushed me to think about (1) why I go and (2) what I hope for by giving sessions. </p>
<p>(1)	Two reasons why I go: I learn from sessions, both from sessions that inspire me and sessions that disappoint or even disturb me. The sessions that inspire me generally confirm my beliefs and practices and extend them in some way. I leave with new tools. The sessions that disappoint or disturb push me to think more deeply about what I do and why. The other reason is that I connect with people face-to-face, including some people I only see once a year at the annual NCTM and others who I meet for the first time. </p>
<p>(2)	Just as I believe that writing is how I work my way into a subject and make it my own (to paraphrase William Zinsser in Writing to Learn), preparing for a talk gives me the same opportunity. It requires me to think about what I’ve learned in the previous year, choose what’s most important, and decide how to communicate. I hope that attendees either will be supported by hearing a talk that confirms and extends their thinking, or will be disappointed or disturbed that think more deeply about their beliefs and practices.</p>
<p>I agree with Elham’s comment about her expectations for what conferences can do and what is important to build locally. I don’t expect an NCTM conference to provide in-depth professional development, but act more like a booster shot for my own learning. I admire the effort of Shadow Con, and I enjoyed watching all of the videos of those sessions–they gave me a helpful context for their Blog and Twitter posts. And I applaud your efforts to search for ways to make the conference experience more widely available.</p>
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