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		By: Chester Draws		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2016 00:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Too often we rush students to that abstract act, rushing them past the lower van Hiele levels, and we ask them to argue deductively about objects that, to them, are also abstract.&lt;/i&gt;

Isn&#039;t that why we start, traditionally, with proofs in Geometry? They can see the angles in question, so the abstraction is limited.

In introducing proof by Geometry deduction, I wonder how much use a &quot;proof&quot; of this sort is. Geometry proofs don&#039;t use exhaustion, exclusion or induction, so it&#039;s not a great lead in. (I prefer to get the strugglers to do geometry proofs first with some numbers, then repeat the process with variables/pronumerals to lower the mental barriers.)

I can see the proposed &quot;proof&quot; being much more relevant when approaching elementary algebra proofs -- where we do actually use exhaustion, induction and exclusion. 

So if you were leading a period with this, how much time do you spend on it? Is it a quick taster or a task to fill a period?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Too often we rush students to that abstract act, rushing them past the lower van Hiele levels, and we ask them to argue deductively about objects that, to them, are also abstract.</i></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that why we start, traditionally, with proofs in Geometry? They can see the angles in question, so the abstraction is limited.</p>
<p>In introducing proof by Geometry deduction, I wonder how much use a &#8220;proof&#8221; of this sort is. Geometry proofs don&#8217;t use exhaustion, exclusion or induction, so it&#8217;s not a great lead in. (I prefer to get the strugglers to do geometry proofs first with some numbers, then repeat the process with variables/pronumerals to lower the mental barriers.)</p>
<p>I can see the proposed &#8220;proof&#8221; being much more relevant when approaching elementary algebra proofs &#8212; where we do actually use exhaustion, induction and exclusion. </p>
<p>So if you were leading a period with this, how much time do you spend on it? Is it a quick taster or a task to fill a period?</p>
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		By: Paul Hartzer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2016 12:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Almost every number ends with “and one” or “and two” or “and three” etc. Right?&quot;

That depends on the convention. Many math teachers (like Michael Serra) insist that &quot;one hundred and one&quot; means 100.1, or something like that. I disagree, but you&#039;ll meet many students who absolutely insist on that as well, because their teachers scolded them into it.

But that doesn&#039;t matter, because 100, 101, ... 999 all have &quot;hundred&quot;; 1000, 1001, ... 999,999 all have &quot;thousand&quot;, and so on. Since &quot;hundred&quot;, &quot;thousand&quot;, and &quot;*illion&quot; all have &quot;n&quot;, it suffices to show that 1..100 works. If you&#039;re using the million/million/billion/billiard convention, then &quot;l&quot; becomes the obvious link.

Hey, Chris: &quot;A milliard&quot; doesn&#039;t have any of those letters, so your conjecture doesn&#039;t work in some English naming conventions. ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Almost every number ends with “and one” or “and two” or “and three” etc. Right?&#8221;</p>
<p>That depends on the convention. Many math teachers (like Michael Serra) insist that &#8220;one hundred and one&#8221; means 100.1, or something like that. I disagree, but you&#8217;ll meet many students who absolutely insist on that as well, because their teachers scolded them into it.</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t matter, because 100, 101, &#8230; 999 all have &#8220;hundred&#8221;; 1000, 1001, &#8230; 999,999 all have &#8220;thousand&#8221;, and so on. Since &#8220;hundred&#8221;, &#8220;thousand&#8221;, and &#8220;*illion&#8221; all have &#8220;n&#8221;, it suffices to show that 1..100 works. If you&#8217;re using the million/million/billion/billiard convention, then &#8220;l&#8221; becomes the obvious link.</p>
<p>Hey, Chris: &#8220;A milliard&#8221; doesn&#8217;t have any of those letters, so your conjecture doesn&#8217;t work in some English naming conventions. ;)</p>
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		By: Peter Booth		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2016 11:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps I&#039;m not thinking this through -- which is very possible -- but two thoughts occur to me....

Almost every number ends with &quot;and one&quot; or &quot;and two&quot; or &quot;and three&quot; etc. Right? So wouldn&#039;t showing that 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and 9 all fit this pattern suffice for almost every number?

The exception to this are numbers that end in zero, like &quot;One million&quot; or &quot;one hundred forty-two thousand nine hundred and thirty&quot;. Ignoring the fact for the moment that just about the entire number in my example has the same letters as the next one, wouldn&#039;t you run into trouble when you get out to numbers that have not been named?  There has to be a biggest number with a name doesn&#039;t there?  (Googolplex?)  So what happens when you move beyond that number? If we&#039;re talking &quot;proof&quot; wouldn&#039;t you need to account for that?  Am I being too demanding of the word Proof? (Not a rhetorical question.)  :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m not thinking this through &#8212; which is very possible &#8212; but two thoughts occur to me&#8230;.</p>
<p>Almost every number ends with &#8220;and one&#8221; or &#8220;and two&#8221; or &#8220;and three&#8221; etc. Right? So wouldn&#8217;t showing that 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and 9 all fit this pattern suffice for almost every number?</p>
<p>The exception to this are numbers that end in zero, like &#8220;One million&#8221; or &#8220;one hundred forty-two thousand nine hundred and thirty&#8221;. Ignoring the fact for the moment that just about the entire number in my example has the same letters as the next one, wouldn&#8217;t you run into trouble when you get out to numbers that have not been named?  There has to be a biggest number with a name doesn&#8217;t there?  (Googolplex?)  So what happens when you move beyond that number? If we&#8217;re talking &#8220;proof&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t you need to account for that?  Am I being too demanding of the word Proof? (Not a rhetorical question.)  :)</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2016 02:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Lynn CP&lt;/strong&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;List all the factors of every number from 1-100. What do you notice? Which numbers have an even number of factors? An odd number? What do you notice about numbers with an odd number of factors? Can you prove which numbers beyond 100 will have an odd number of factors?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nice. Also added to the post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Lynn CP</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p>List all the factors of every number from 1-100. What do you notice? Which numbers have an even number of factors? An odd number? What do you notice about numbers with an odd number of factors? Can you prove which numbers beyond 100 will have an odd number of factors?</p></blockquote>
<p>Nice. Also added to the post.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2016 02:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Michael&lt;/strong&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;What letter(s) of the alphabet do(es) not appear in the spelling of the first 999 whole numbers? Prove it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s a beaut. Added to the post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Michael</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p>What letter(s) of the alphabet do(es) not appear in the spelling of the first 999 whole numbers? Prove it.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a beaut. Added to the post.</p>
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		By: Paul Hartzer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2016 01:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;“one hundred and one” The “and” as in writing a check, represents a decimal point and would not be a whole number.&quot;

I know the argument. I disagree with it. &quot;One hundred and one dollars&quot; is perfectly understandable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“one hundred and one” The “and” as in writing a check, represents a decimal point and would not be a whole number.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know the argument. I disagree with it. &#8220;One hundred and one dollars&#8221; is perfectly understandable.</p>
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		By: michael Serra		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2016 01:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another great non-traditional proof from recreational mathematics is to prove that the 3x3 magic square is unique (not counting rotations and reflections)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great non-traditional proof from recreational mathematics is to prove that the 3&#215;3 magic square is unique (not counting rotations and reflections)</p>
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		By: michael Serra		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2016 00:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“one hundred and one” The &quot;and&quot; as in writing a check, represents a decimal point and would not be a whole number.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“one hundred and one” The &#8220;and&#8221; as in writing a check, represents a decimal point and would not be a whole number.</p>
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		By: michael Serra		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2016 00:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Draw a convex quadrilateral on your paper. Make a copy of it. Draw one diagonal in one copy and draw the other diagonal in the second copy. Cut out the four triangles. Can you arrange the four triangles into a parallelogram region? If so, prove it is a parallelogram. If not, explain why not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Draw a convex quadrilateral on your paper. Make a copy of it. Draw one diagonal in one copy and draw the other diagonal in the second copy. Cut out the four triangles. Can you arrange the four triangles into a parallelogram region? If so, prove it is a parallelogram. If not, explain why not.</p>
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		By: Paul Hartzer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2016 00:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;What letter(s) of the alphabet do(es) not appear in the spelling of the first 999 whole numbers? Prove it.&quot;

That also leads to the debate about whether &quot;a hundred&quot; or &quot;one hundred and one&quot; are &quot;proper&quot; names for 100 and 101, respectively. (I say they are, but a lot of math teachers, particularly in lower grades, apparently insist they&#039;re not.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What letter(s) of the alphabet do(es) not appear in the spelling of the first 999 whole numbers? Prove it.&#8221;</p>
<p>That also leads to the debate about whether &#8220;a hundred&#8221; or &#8220;one hundred and one&#8221; are &#8220;proper&#8221; names for 100 and 101, respectively. (I say they are, but a lot of math teachers, particularly in lower grades, apparently insist they&#8217;re not.)</p>
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