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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2016 00:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice idea, &lt;strong&gt;Mark&lt;/strong&gt;. I like the idea of showing students (through video magic) the first missing digit in the price. Maybe that&#039;s the ten-thousandths place. They see it ticking along furiously, and then you see some trickery. The price is 29.3281, with the 1 being unseen to the customer. Then we see the price round up to 29.329. What? Over a day, a year, how much do those shenanigans add up to?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice idea, <strong>Mark</strong>. I like the idea of showing students (through video magic) the first missing digit in the price. Maybe that&#8217;s the ten-thousandths place. They see it ticking along furiously, and then you see some trickery. The price is 29.3281, with the 1 being unseen to the customer. Then we see the price round up to 29.329. What? Over a day, a year, how much do those shenanigans add up to?</p>
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		By: Mark Schlatter		</title>
		<link>/2016/gas-station-ripoff/#comment-2425230</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2016 18:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was thinking about 3act problems (having only seen the pool table example) and was wondering how I could do something similar with decimal arithmetic and gas pumps. Specifically, I don&#039;t know if gas stations always round up on purchases of gas or if they use typical rounding. In my only gas purchase since thinking of this, you would have rounded up anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking about 3act problems (having only seen the pool table example) and was wondering how I could do something similar with decimal arithmetic and gas pumps. Specifically, I don&#8217;t know if gas stations always round up on purchases of gas or if they use typical rounding. In my only gas purchase since thinking of this, you would have rounded up anyway.</p>
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		By: Sue Hellman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2016 15:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Bowen Your idea reminded me of an experience buying mushrooms at my local grocery store. Here in Canada paper bags are supplied to keep them fresh longer. I&#039;d always assumed the scales at the checkout were automatically &#039;zeroed&#039; for this kind of purchase, but asked one day and found they are not. So the y-int when buying mushrooms &#062; 0. Mushrooms here are usually $4- $5 per pound, and at that rate I don&#039;t pay much for one bag. The more interesting question is how much profit the store makes on these bags in a week or a year of mushroom sales. Have they already factored bag cost into the price of the mushrooms so we&#039;ee paying twice? How much would it affect their bottom line to be honest? Is this an industry-wide practice? How different is from merchants in historical times putting a thumb on the scale? By the way, his happened at a big chain store.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bowen Your idea reminded me of an experience buying mushrooms at my local grocery store. Here in Canada paper bags are supplied to keep them fresh longer. I&#8217;d always assumed the scales at the checkout were automatically &#8216;zeroed&#8217; for this kind of purchase, but asked one day and found they are not. So the y-int when buying mushrooms &gt; 0. Mushrooms here are usually $4- $5 per pound, and at that rate I don&#8217;t pay much for one bag. The more interesting question is how much profit the store makes on these bags in a week or a year of mushroom sales. Have they already factored bag cost into the price of the mushrooms so we&#8217;ee paying twice? How much would it affect their bottom line to be honest? Is this an industry-wide practice? How different is from merchants in historical times putting a thumb on the scale? By the way, his happened at a big chain store.</p>
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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;The Cup Is the Y-Intercept&#8221;		</title>
		<link>/2016/gas-station-ripoff/#comment-2421712</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;The Cup Is the Y-Intercept&#8221;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2016 15:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] my thanks to Kevin Hall who had the fine idea for the video and encouraged me to make it. I&#8217;ve never met Kevin. That&#8217;s the kind of internet [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] my thanks to Kevin Hall who had the fine idea for the video and encouraged me to make it. I&#8217;ve never met Kevin. That&#8217;s the kind of internet [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2016 15:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@&lt;strong&gt;Bowen&lt;/strong&gt;, I thought for awhile about that one. Decided to keep it all in the proportional family. Might have been the wrong call.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<strong>Bowen</strong>, I thought for awhile about that one. Decided to keep it all in the proportional family. Might have been the wrong call.</p>
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		By: Bowen Kerins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bowen Kerins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2016 14:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It would be interesting if one of the pumps was a ripoff not because of its changing rate, but because of a hidden offset charge that happened before the part of the video you can see.

This one was certainly a freeze-framer!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting if one of the pumps was a ripoff not because of its changing rate, but because of a hidden offset charge that happened before the part of the video you can see.</p>
<p>This one was certainly a freeze-framer!</p>
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		By: Nathan Kraft		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2016 10:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My class worked on Fenton&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;https://teacher.desmos.com/activitybuilder/custom/563a59893f80f2fd0b7c77f0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Charge&lt;/a&gt; the other day. Great example of how not everything is proportional.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My class worked on Fenton&#8217;s <a href="https://teacher.desmos.com/activitybuilder/custom/563a59893f80f2fd0b7c77f0" rel="nofollow">Charge</a> the other day. Great example of how not everything is proportional.</p>
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		By: chase orton		</title>
		<link>/2016/gas-station-ripoff/#comment-2418992</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2016 23:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2016/gas-station-ripoff/#comment-2418991&quot;&gt;l hodge&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with your larger point that sometimes we can find answers to some of these problems using common sense. We can google &quot;how many pennies in the pyramid of pennies&quot; and arrive at the answer pretty quick. Or, let&#039;s just each walk to the taco truck by different routes each way and find out instead of doing all this math. But it&#039;s only by calculating a unit rate after a purchase that we can feel more certain about the validity of the pump (or the sign on the corner). This assumes that the pump isn&#039;t lying about the amount of fuel it&#039;s dispensing. And gas pumps are highly regulated by inspectors and anti-tampering measures (like security tape). Which is probably the best argument a student could make that gas pumps don&#039;t rip you off. 

I may be missing something to your point however so let know if I am. I think though that Sally&#039;s question shows a need to verify the sign on the corner with our experience at the pump. I suppose that finding the unit rate procedurally through division makes the graph less necessary. Hmmm. You have me wondering more. Thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2016/gas-station-ripoff/#comment-2418991">l hodge</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with your larger point that sometimes we can find answers to some of these problems using common sense. We can google &#8220;how many pennies in the pyramid of pennies&#8221; and arrive at the answer pretty quick. Or, let&#8217;s just each walk to the taco truck by different routes each way and find out instead of doing all this math. But it&#8217;s only by calculating a unit rate after a purchase that we can feel more certain about the validity of the pump (or the sign on the corner). This assumes that the pump isn&#8217;t lying about the amount of fuel it&#8217;s dispensing. And gas pumps are highly regulated by inspectors and anti-tampering measures (like security tape). Which is probably the best argument a student could make that gas pumps don&#8217;t rip you off. </p>
<p>I may be missing something to your point however so let know if I am. I think though that Sally&#8217;s question shows a need to verify the sign on the corner with our experience at the pump. I suppose that finding the unit rate procedurally through division makes the graph less necessary. Hmmm. You have me wondering more. Thank you.</p>
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		By: l hodge		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2016 23:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Instead of gallons &#038; cost maybe the same setup with income and income tax shown.  The marginal tax rates would result in something that is not proportional.  Plotting points would allow for speculation on where the changes take place.  

Otherwise, I am wondering if the lesson goes something like this:  Me:  Which gas station is ripping you off?  Sally: What are the prices?   Me: I don’t know.   Sally:  Doesn’t it say on the pump?  Isn’t there a huge sign on the corner with the prices?  Me:  Shut up Sally.  Obviously we need to gather data and make a graph to figure it out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of gallons &amp; cost maybe the same setup with income and income tax shown.  The marginal tax rates would result in something that is not proportional.  Plotting points would allow for speculation on where the changes take place.  </p>
<p>Otherwise, I am wondering if the lesson goes something like this:  Me:  Which gas station is ripping you off?  Sally: What are the prices?   Me: I don’t know.   Sally:  Doesn’t it say on the pump?  Isn’t there a huge sign on the corner with the prices?  Me:  Shut up Sally.  Obviously we need to gather data and make a graph to figure it out.</p>
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		By: Will McGowan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will McGowan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2016 18:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Karim Yes, the &quot;Gas Pump Mystery&quot; is an Amplify math project, and was created by Jere Confrey. At the 2016 session, we were going to have teachers do the entire project. As a result of Amplify&#039;s reorganization, we will no longer be running the session.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Karim Yes, the &#8220;Gas Pump Mystery&#8221; is an Amplify math project, and was created by Jere Confrey. At the 2016 session, we were going to have teachers do the entire project. As a result of Amplify&#8217;s reorganization, we will no longer be running the session.</p>
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