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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; January Remainders		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 21:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; [Makeover] Marine Ramp		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; [Makeover] Marine Ramp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2016 23:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Makeover Preview: Marine Ramp [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2016 23:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;l hodge&lt;/strong&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps the main assignment could be to animate the situation in Desmos.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Please see Jonathan Newman&#039;s Desmos animation above.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course, this has turned a homework problem into an activity, so not really a makeover.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wouldn&#039;t disqualify that as a makeover, personally.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>l hodge</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Perhaps the main assignment could be to animate the situation in Desmos.</p></blockquote>
<p>Please see Jonathan Newman&#8217;s Desmos animation above.</p>
<blockquote><p>Of course, this has turned a homework problem into an activity, so not really a makeover.</p></blockquote>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t disqualify that as a makeover, personally.</p>
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		By: l hodge		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2016 22:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the main assignment could be to animate the situation in Desmos. 

The static situation could be modeled easily enough with three lines and domain restrictions.  Next, using a slider for tide level, model the situation dynamically.  Finally, adjust the model to fit some constraints as mentioned in the original questions.  Perhaps even develop a model with additional slider(s) for dock length, max angle, etc.  

Of course, this has turned a homework problem into an activity, so not really a makeover.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the main assignment could be to animate the situation in Desmos. </p>
<p>The static situation could be modeled easily enough with three lines and domain restrictions.  Next, using a slider for tide level, model the situation dynamically.  Finally, adjust the model to fit some constraints as mentioned in the original questions.  Perhaps even develop a model with additional slider(s) for dock length, max angle, etc.  </p>
<p>Of course, this has turned a homework problem into an activity, so not really a makeover.</p>
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		By: Karim		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Marina Sabina&quot;

Steel tri rolls the tide.
CampeÃ³n of ramp we&#039;re on:
Cheap, no fumbled babe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Marina Sabina&#8221;</p>
<p>Steel tri rolls the tide.<br />
CampeÃ³n of ramp we&#8217;re on:<br />
Cheap, no fumbled babe.</p>
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		By: Chester Draws		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2016 22:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Put a mother on the ramp with a baby in her arms.
Steel costs $100/foot.
Submit your bid.&lt;/i&gt;

An open-ended question like that is how we would normally assess a trigonometric topic in New Zealand. 

The top kids would have to cost the ramp too, which is composed of its own little trig problems. Steel is $10 a metre, and you need to order the right amount to make the ramp.

The problem is that it is a total pain to mark. Every question has to be scanned thoroughly for correctness at every point, because there is no &quot;correct&quot; answer. So setting your problem for my class would take them maybe 20 minutes, and my whole evening marking it. (No, they can&#039;t check their neighbour&#039;s -- if nothing else they are very poor judges of what &quot;sufficient&quot; working is, and they will reinforce each other&#039;s desire to do as little working as possible.)

That means the problem is good, and I can imagine using some version of it when I teach trig this year, but it can&#039;t be a question I give every day.

If Desmos or the like can check all the parts on the way, then it becomes possible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Put a mother on the ramp with a baby in her arms.<br />
Steel costs $100/foot.<br />
Submit your bid.</i></p>
<p>An open-ended question like that is how we would normally assess a trigonometric topic in New Zealand. </p>
<p>The top kids would have to cost the ramp too, which is composed of its own little trig problems. Steel is $10 a metre, and you need to order the right amount to make the ramp.</p>
<p>The problem is that it is a total pain to mark. Every question has to be scanned thoroughly for correctness at every point, because there is no &#8220;correct&#8221; answer. So setting your problem for my class would take them maybe 20 minutes, and my whole evening marking it. (No, they can&#8217;t check their neighbour&#8217;s &#8212; if nothing else they are very poor judges of what &#8220;sufficient&#8221; working is, and they will reinforce each other&#8217;s desire to do as little working as possible.)</p>
<p>That means the problem is good, and I can imagine using some version of it when I teach trig this year, but it can&#8217;t be a question I give every day.</p>
<p>If Desmos or the like can check all the parts on the way, then it becomes possible.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2016 01:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Jonathan&lt;/strong&gt;, strong activity building! Sadly, I think your activity needs a number of elements that our activity builder can&#039;t (yet) provide. Like numeric labels on the graph, for one. Not on you, in other words. This has been helpful feedback in its own way.

&lt;strong&gt;Karim&lt;/strong&gt;, can you rework that into a makeover haiku?

&lt;strong&gt;Justin&lt;/strong&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;After spending 8 years as an engineer prior to teaching, I always felt that I’d include all kinds of stuff from my engineering life into teaching. However, now that I am slightly wiser and more humbled, that stuff is too specialized, only interesting to me and maybe 2 other kids on a good day.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Helpful perspective here. What&#039;s interesting to me is that the same application from the world of work (say, this marine ramp) can be imported by math classes in 100 different ways, some more interesting and successful than others. I don&#039;t think the format chosen by BCIT — a page-long word problem, essentially — sets students up for interest or success. What other formats exist?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Jonathan</strong>, strong activity building! Sadly, I think your activity needs a number of elements that our activity builder can&#8217;t (yet) provide. Like numeric labels on the graph, for one. Not on you, in other words. This has been helpful feedback in its own way.</p>
<p><strong>Karim</strong>, can you rework that into a makeover haiku?</p>
<p><strong>Justin</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p>After spending 8 years as an engineer prior to teaching, I always felt that I’d include all kinds of stuff from my engineering life into teaching. However, now that I am slightly wiser and more humbled, that stuff is too specialized, only interesting to me and maybe 2 other kids on a good day.</p></blockquote>
<p>Helpful perspective here. What&#8217;s interesting to me is that the same application from the world of work (say, this marine ramp) can be imported by math classes in 100 different ways, some more interesting and successful than others. I don&#8217;t think the format chosen by BCIT — a page-long word problem, essentially — sets students up for interest or success. What other formats exist?</p>
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		By: Karim		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2016 21:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Put a mother on the ramp with a baby in her arms.
Steel costs $100/foot.
Submit your bid.]]></description>
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Steel costs $100/foot.<br />
Submit your bid.</p>
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		By: Jonathan Newman		</title>
		<link>/2016/makeover-preview-marine-ramp/#comment-2416650</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Newman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2016 06:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Made a quick Desmos Activity, complete with lots of open-ended questions, a ramp of adjustable length, and a tide that you can move in and out.

https://teacher.desmos.com/activitybuilder/custom/56987bde42ea0aaf382ff727

Help me improve it!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Made a quick Desmos Activity, complete with lots of open-ended questions, a ramp of adjustable length, and a tide that you can move in and out.</p>
<p><a href="https://teacher.desmos.com/activitybuilder/custom/56987bde42ea0aaf382ff727" rel="nofollow ugc">https://teacher.desmos.com/activitybuilder/custom/56987bde42ea0aaf382ff727</a></p>
<p>Help me improve it!</p>
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		By: Shauna Sheridan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shauna Sheridan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2016 02:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This doesn&#039;t correspond great to the problem above, but reminds me of great &quot;3 act&quot; type problem I use in my classroom.  We walk down to the section in our school that has a great wide ramp.  I show them the car that accelerates down the ramp, then I show them the car that has a constant velocity going sideways across the ramp.  What do they hopefully wonder?  When they are going to crash.  I run them separately as many times as they need, and then they have to find when and where they collide.  Of course we run the cars at the end of the class as see just when and where they collide.  Great fun!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This doesn&#8217;t correspond great to the problem above, but reminds me of great &#8220;3 act&#8221; type problem I use in my classroom.  We walk down to the section in our school that has a great wide ramp.  I show them the car that accelerates down the ramp, then I show them the car that has a constant velocity going sideways across the ramp.  What do they hopefully wonder?  When they are going to crash.  I run them separately as many times as they need, and then they have to find when and where they collide.  Of course we run the cars at the end of the class as see just when and where they collide.  Great fun!</p>
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